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Twoapenny

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« Reply #90 on: March 26, 2020, 03:21:44 PM »
That feeling of disbelief when you realize your kids aren't going to make the cut. It will cut your legs out from under you--I know it well. 

My kids have each taken a turn melting down, but then work their way through it. I hate it that they are so far away.

I am checking the food deliveries every day, like Hops suggested. I just order what is available, a small amount and accept their substitutions. If there's nothing there I need, I check again the next day. Its harrowing, but I have some back stock. It's got to be worse if you have only one days worth. Call you call a relief agency or charity? Check restaurants--the ones around here sold off their coolers full of food at a cheap rate. One place made a box with a whole chicken, rice, eggs, milk some vegetables and a roll of toilet paper (I think that might be an attempt at humor, or maybe just total graciousness) I'll bet there are some in your area.

The problem is it takes so much time to do this kind of searching. I figured out that if I had bread, milk and eggs as a basis I would be okay. Rolled oats is in that category too. I so wish I could help. We are in the same place in the US except there's no one in charge at the helm so in a while our country is going to be very sick.

CB

It's horrible, isn't it CB - they're so undervalued and we're often too wiped out from all the running about to launch that major campaign that's needed to change that perception!  Son is oblivious to that part of it; he does understand that it can make you ill enough to die and he's very happy indoors so we're just going nowhere.  I'm happy indoors as well so it's working well for us at the minute.

The food crisis is averted now, the panic buying just wiped all the supermarkets out and they were trying to catch up for days afterwards.  There are still lots of problems with deliveries but they've put us on a priority list now and I will look to put the order in sooner than I usually would so that will be fine.  Local people have organised food collections for people who can't get out so I can even just get a pint of milk picked up for me now which is great.  But yes, it's the time of trying to organise, arrange, collect it (or sit on the phone or computer for hours trying to get it to go through) and that extra stress of knowing you can't pop out for something if you forget to order it.  Just was all a bit too much all at once.  But all grand now :)  I hope you and yours are managing okay, it's such an unprecedented situation, isn't it? xx

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« Reply #91 on: March 27, 2020, 12:01:56 AM »
My niece arrived in Florida today.  They went to her favorite grocery store to find it fully stocked, clean and very much a comfort after the island's tiny markets.

That was a good thing to hear about Florida right now.

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« Reply #92 on: March 27, 2020, 01:08:27 AM »
I am just so sorry that so many people are scared. I don't know what to say.

They might get sick; but that sounds uncaring. Which wouldn't be true. And they might have worse than just the flu-sick that make one feel horrible. Something that requires hospitalization.

I am sorry for the people who are sick. I can't make the system any better.  No one listens to me. Politics is NOT the answer. But again - no one listens to me.

This is hard. It's hitting home for us. Six degrees of separation. Hol's close friends; Buck''s D. And Amy - an EMS on a medical transport. Mike's D is an ICU/trauma/ER nurse.

Rehydration is more than water; Add honey, potassium, and calcium. However you can.  Hydration is necessary with a fever.  So is cooling body temp. The season is such right now that a walk outside can counter that.

Good stuff in; bad stuff out, Think outside the box.
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« Reply #93 on: March 27, 2020, 11:31:47 AM »
"That'll do, pig, that'll do."

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« Reply #94 on: March 27, 2020, 01:02:06 PM »
So hope everyone will read this article to the end. It isn't long.

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/24/820601571/all-of-this-panic-could-have-been-prevented-author-max-brooks-on-covid-19

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Yes, all the way through, Hops, same situation here.  The World Health Organisation warned this was going to go global in January, if memory serves, and I believe the first case was documented last November?  It would have been possible here to stop any non-essential travel in and out of the country and to quarantine/test everyone coming in for as long as this goes on.  Inconvenient for some, yes, and out of pocket for some as well, but a relatively small number of people compared to the millions being affected now.  They could have, and should have had plans A, B and C in place so they could respond quickly to an outbreak, but instead people have had to rely on Facebook to figure out what to do and then just go for it as best they can - which of course, for some, means buying everything in sight, and for others means carrying on doing what they do, even if they don't need to.  Our government have literally made it up as they went along and as each announcement creates and outcry, they go off and change the policy again.  They sought to protect corporate interests, essentially and on top of that, we have a hideously untrustworthy media and horribly untrustworthy politicians.  So loads of people ignored advice to stay indoors as much as possible because they thought it was just media hype (as I did when I first heard it all because it's the kind of trumped up nonsense they do).  It has shown every flaw in our global function, I think, and I am really hoping this brings about real, positive change now that people have seen how we really all need to work with each other instead of against each other all the time.  The biggest problem we have, I feel, is the number of people in positions of extraordinary power who are there because of the families they were born in to and the schools they attended, rather than because they have the necessary skills and aptitude for these incredibly important jobs xx

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« Reply #95 on: March 29, 2020, 08:56:33 AM »
Well I am feeling like I've just been dropped from a great height.  I've been enjoying being at home - we've got food, we've got plenty to do and most importantly, I feel safe.  We can sit this out.  I'm limiting my news and social media to just enough to keep informed, without getting overloaded and I'm trying not to focus on the negative 'what ifs' and just to assume that we'll come out of this well rested, with lots of jobs at home done and a new appreciation for having the freedom to go out when we want to and easily buy food.

But a friend just rang and took me aback with her approach.  Despite the fact that she works at a day centre for old people and they are now making up meals on wheels deliveries for them all as they can't go out, she is of the opinion that old people should die.  She thinks the virus is a load of fuss about nothing, people die all the time from flu, cancer etc (which is absolutely true, they do) and she isn't adhering to the lock down because she doesn't see why she should.  I was a bit blown away and I'm looking back on the conversation now but, from what I can see, I didn't get angry or upset on the phone, I was saying to her that she should be very careful because it is very bad, they don't have enough beds or equipment and that they would never have locked down the country if it were for no good reason.  She got quite angry with me and I'm not sure why.  I don't claim to be an expert on this but it has been announced here today that they think 20,000 dying in the next few weeks is the best we can hope for.  They've built a new 4,000 bed hospital and two new morgues, and even with that doctors don't think they'll cope.  I have medically minded friends who've both said this is going to be horrific and one friend's daughter, a paramedic, is self isolating as she has symptoms.  She said that people die anyway, which of course they do, but I think the problem with this is that it is/will happen in such a short space of time and it overloads the health service.  Currently the death rate in ICU here is 50/50.  People are, apparently, having to be left to die alone because it's so infectious, so they can't have family or friends in there with them.  Family and friends then have to self isolate in their grief, in case they picked it up as well, and can't arrange funerals with more than five people attending, I think is the current situation.

I pointed out that my son won't make the grade for a ventilator if they don't have enough to go round and that we're quite likely to be completely inside for three months now, if not longer.  Not even going out for walks.  I am aware that people die every day, of course they do, but I don't imagine that anyone wants to die on their own, in pain, knowing that their own family won't be able to gather together to bury them.  Surely no-one thinks that's alright?  Surely most people would avoid that, if they could?  And most people aren't being asked not to go out at all, they're just being asked to only go out if it's essential.  It's not too much of a sacrifice, surely?

The thing that really shook me up is that she got angry with me and then hung up the phone.  I don't understand why she did that.  It's shaken me up and left me feeling quite wobbly.

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« Reply #96 on: March 29, 2020, 09:11:29 AM »
Lighter, I think you might value both of these (especially the video).

Article: https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/03/28/masks-all-coronavirus/

Video: https://www.consumer.org.hk/ws_en/news/specials/2020/mask-diy-tips.html

(For me, it's just easier to not go out. But I know many folks have to.)

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Hops
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« Reply #97 on: March 29, 2020, 09:22:02 AM »
((((((((Tupp))))))))) --

I so totally understand why this left you bruised. I completely, entirely agree with you and am very sad about the moral divide this is revealing in so many places.

Perhaps in working with those who are very old and fragile for whom the only release is getting dying over with, your friend has become callous to them. Certainly sounds that way. I don't agree, of course. Though I'm just as frustrated that we get no help with dying when we're very old and miserable, I would never want to be cared for by a worker who considers me expendable rubbish.

All that said, I think your pain got hooked when you tried to reason with her, based on empathy and a moral code she doesn't share. I believe she is wrong and expressed cruel thoughts, and didn't see how parenting your son would make you even more sensitive to the disadvantages of the helpless.

I can't agree with you more, except that I'd like to say you are entirely within your rights of self protection and self care...to simply NOT ENGAGE, when you hear someone (even a friend) starting down an ethical path that shocks and causes pain. Whether on the phone or online or in a message.

You do not have to take the bait. Her attitude does hook loving people, vulnerable people (while you're healthy, you are the parent of someone at risk, which makes you vulnerable)...in our hearts and in our fears. So if someone's clueless enough to talk to you about "useless humans"...you know that's not a conversation to extend.

It was the trying to persuade her that caused the pain, I think. And my guess is her anger was triggered by a moment of shame, perhaps. Either way, I'd lose interest in exploring her thinking...because it's toxic to YOU.

Take care of yourself, and don't take those attitudes IN. It must have felt personal, but it probably wasn't meant that way. She was just speaking out of normal self-absorption, and from her personal experience of being around the very old, bed-bound, helpless old. It's a shame but I think many of those workers do become callous, perhaps to emotionally survive.

I'm really sorry her tale and her opinions appeared in your ear!

Please dust out your ears, let that conversation go away as quickly as you can. Okay, what's it going to be?

Tea and telly? More reminders of nature and the beautiful empathy and community behavior and humane attitudes that are ALSO appearing everywhere? Don't forget them. You are part of THEM. Keep calm and carry on.

Big hugs,
Hops

PS -- She may be a friend, but she's also a prat. Prats often get angry when we say something that gives them an unexpected look at an ugly side of themselves. That's on her too....not your problem. It's good to acknowledge the hurt you felt when she reacted that way. See it and then...intentionally release it, so it doesn't spoil your day.
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« Reply #98 on: March 29, 2020, 09:42:47 AM »
Lol, thanks, Hops, I didn't know 'prat' is a word in America, too :)  Lol.  Yes, you are right, I've talked it through with another friend on the phone, good friend, it's not even so much that she sees the situation differently to me, it was more that she got angry with me about it and hung up.  That was the bit that shook and baffled me.  But yes, my ears are dusted out, I am levelling myself out again.  It just baffled me a bit.  It is weird how people don't leave jobs once they get bitter about them.  I can remember working with teachers who hated kids - they were just so sick of the system and so many years of not being appreciated, I think, but I didn't understand why they kept doing the job.  I gave up waitressing years ago because I'd got to the point where I didn't care whether people enjoyed their dinner or not.  I think that's always the time to leave.

But yes.  I am comfort eating pasta.  I've got plenty to get on with today, and I will put the music on loud, check in on nice people, enjoy the sun on my face through the window (it's bloody cold out but the sun is lovely if you're inside).  And yes, do not engage is the rule.  I think I didn't even realise I was engaging until she hung up.  I honestly thought she just hadn't been keeping up with what's going on and was working in the dark.  But I will keep future conversations to people I know won't get angry with me for expressing a desire to, at the very least, let people die comfortable with someone they love by their side. Sheesh.

I'm adding 'Americans say prat' to my list of things I didn't know.  I have also discovered that there is another town the same name as the one my sister lives in, a couple of hundred miles from where she is (I didn't know that before).  And that my nan on my dad's side was one of the first people to fly from England to America when they first started doing transatlantic flights!  There is apparently a newspaper clipping somewhere that my brother is trying to find for me.  I should start a list of new information I discover whilst on lockdown.  Lol.  Thank you for being there.  I appreciate the support very much xx

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« Reply #99 on: March 29, 2020, 09:54:26 AM »
I shall appoint myself your old Yank sister or more likely Yank auntie!

Your description of the sudden shock of her getting angry made a lot of sense, too. If you have one small toe on the spectrum, despite your deep loving values, you might be approaching such a conversation with REASON, believing that EXPLAINING moral things works on folks like her. But consider Trump/Johnson voters. (No, don't! It's depressing!)

I absolutely loved what you said about serving tables. "I didn't care whether they enjoyed their dinner or not." It's lovely and wonderful that once you realized that, you decided it wasn't appropriate to continue the job. However, people less connected to logic than you are might have been content to just fake it, with their social signals manufactured and insincere. (And their diners feeling vaguely less content because the server's core indifference still seeped through.)

One of the most wonderful things about you, Tupp, imo, is that you never fake anything. You are utterly genuine and honest and forthright all the way through. That's a characteristic of those with wee spectrum traits that is so often under-appreciated.

I see you! And I think you're fantastic.

Hugs and happier day,
Hops

PS -- Yanks don't say "prat." I'm just an Anglophile; lived in London for six months. I was channeling my inner Brit. (Not brat.) LOL.
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« Reply #100 on: March 29, 2020, 11:58:22 AM »
I shall appoint myself your old Yank sister or more likely Yank auntie!

Your description of the sudden shock of her getting angry made a lot of sense, too. If you have one small toe on the spectrum, despite your deep loving values, you might be approaching such a conversation with REASON, believing that EXPLAINING moral things works on folks like her. But consider Trump/Johnson voters. (No, don't! It's depressing!)

I absolutely loved what you said about serving tables. "I didn't care whether they enjoyed their dinner or not." It's lovely and wonderful that once you realized that, you decided it wasn't appropriate to continue the job. However, people less connected to logic than you are might have been content to just fake it, with their social signals manufactured and insincere. (And their diners feeling vaguely less content because the server's core indifference still seeped through.)

One of the most wonderful things about you, Tupp, imo, is that you never fake anything. You are utterly genuine and honest and forthright all the way through. That's a characteristic of those with wee spectrum traits that is so often under-appreciated.

I see you! And I think you're fantastic.

Hugs and happier day,
Hops

PS -- Yanks don't say "prat." I'm just an Anglophile; lived in London for six months. I was channeling my inner Brit. (Not brat.) LOL.

Ah, I can't have that on my list of new knowledge now then, curses!  Lol.

Thank you for your kind words.  It means a lot.  I am still feeling very fluffy tummied, which I hate.  It will pass, but I find it hard to get on with other things until it does.  I will keep at it, though.  I realised what I really didn't like is that she's not phoned up with words of support or just to have a friendly, breezy chat.  It was her line of conversation, not mine, that took us down that path, and to say those things and then hang up was just nasty.  It's kind of popped my 'surviving indoors' bubble so I need to go off now to fix it.

In other news - we are having fish and chips for tea, home made.  I've got some nice music on.  I will do some yoga later, but I have to wait for my dinner to go down first :)  Thank you again xx

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« Reply #101 on: March 29, 2020, 12:21:32 PM »
I have made some cakes for pudding :)

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« Reply #102 on: March 29, 2020, 02:15:00 PM »
I want some!
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« Reply #103 on: March 29, 2020, 02:16:18 PM »
Hi, Tupp:

What are you going to do to those cakes that turns them into pudding?


And.... I'm sorry your "friend" was reactive during your phone call with her. Crisis brings out the best and worst in humans, IME.  Maybe she'd be following Jack if she was in the Lord of the Flies book, instead of Ralph.  Sometimes people surprise us.  I'm trying really hard not to judge... just notice and not get sucked into those conversations, whick leave me whobbly and upset too.  I'm trying to see everything and just let it go by.  I guess we have a chance to practice with the tools T gave us.

I've been shaken pretty badly by similar conversations.  Like Hops said... we should avoid those conversations.  I guess we have a chance to use some of our EMDR tools to get rid of the flutters and tension in our bodies.

Hops:

My sister sent gloves and masks...one with a splash guard.  Thanks for the videos... I am interested and tried to make a splash guard, but the material was too thin.
 I put it all down, and just haven't left the house yet. 

I want to plant a garden and have shallots sprouting.... will plant today, or tomorrow.  Did you know shallots produce 6 sets for every set you plant?  I did not know that, but look forward to that harvest.

Now, I need to make a list of other things I want to plant and check with neighbors... trade seeds and seedlings. One neighbor offered to plant things for me in his little sunny patch.  I really like him.  I'd like to avoid having to spend 4 bucks per tomato plant this year.

I'm finishing up the ham bean soup.  Added more beans and made rice to go with  it.  Honoring every drop of food brings me comfort.  The same with the pasta sauce.
 Today I'm making an Italian dish called pasta with potatoes.  Italians pronounce it  (pasta with po tahtuh) is a good way to change things up and finish it.  I don't want to waste or freeze anything.  You make a thin broth from the tomatoes, onions, garlic... I added jalapenos for some heat cause I like it.  After the potato chunks cook to soft, you cook only the pasta you'll eat at that meal in the broth, bc it gets soggy as leftovers.  Squish the potatoes into the broth to thicken it as you like in your bowl. The Italians add hot oil made from homegrown little purple peppers SO HOT, but amazingly delicious.

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« Reply #104 on: March 29, 2020, 02:35:06 PM »
I want some!

Lol, they're not great, Hops, I'm not a good baker, pretty dry but it was something sweet to have after dinner.  I did chocolate topping on them and son said they looked like piles of poo in paper cases :)  Lol xx