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« Reply #30 on: July 12, 2020, 11:25:30 PM »
Spoke with two friends today, more listened really, I'm sorta feeling brain dead like not much is happening up there besides anxiety. It still feels good to keep in touch, it's two women from work that I would coordinate group outings with. It does go to show that making an effort to make friends is worth it sometimes in the long run. Of course I knew them from work so it was easy as they were around so often. Meeting new people out of the blue on the other hand isn't so easy and even more so with this Covid-macrocosm we live in.

I don't think I have any creative thoughts right now so I'm not going to force anything.

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« Reply #31 on: July 13, 2020, 02:17:24 AM »
Glad you connected with friends today, G.
I understand what a difference it makes.

I have a Sunday Explorations (secular) discussion
group meeting twice a month, and it was good to
sit with about 8 other people (coed) and just hear
whatever anyone wanted to talk about. One couple
though had lost their son unexpectedly 10 days before.
They are shattered but still warm and want to connect.
I'll ask them next week if they'd like a yard visit.

It really helps to hear voices, and see faces if you
Zoom it.

Hope it happens again soon, G--
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« Reply #32 on: July 13, 2020, 05:16:16 AM »
Me too, Tupp:

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I love imagining how England was before there were a lot of people building here - miles and miles of fields and woodlands and just so much space.

One of my favorite photos is of me standing in front of the stones at Stonehenge in 1964 when I was fourteen, before they added ropes and barriers. There were no crowds at all and I feel lucky to have it.

If I had my druthers and could live in the U.K. it'd probably be up north in Scotland. As long as I had a very warm cottage! Then again, to live in a Welsh village that had a good choir...heaven.

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It must have been amazing to be there before everyone else wanted to go, Hops.  It's so commercialised now.  And I get it, it costs money to look after it, they had to rope it off because people kept climbing on, writing messages on the stones, chipping bits off to take home and so on.  But I find it really sad as well.  When we drive towards it I imagine what it would have been like to get there on foot or on horseback, and how you'd have felt when you saw it off in the distance, with it being this amazing spiritual centre.  It would have had so much meaning then and been so important.  And it still is for some people, but for many it is just a tourist attraction now and there's more meaning in the gift shop than anywhere else.  I know that some people who are really into 'the stones' prefer to visit other sites now, that aren't as big or popular but where you can just stand and feel the energy and kind of connect to, I don't know, history?  spirituality?  yourself?.  I suppose it's different for everyone.  There are many such sites in Scotland, I believe.  I do find the wilds of some parts of Scotland appealing, and did read up on a few communities up there, particularly on the islands, very cut off and remote.  But yes, blooming cold.  YOu'd need a good set of thermals :)  Lol xx

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« Reply #33 on: July 13, 2020, 08:30:10 AM »
I was pretty excited that they cancelled the celebration at Stonehenge for solstice this year, and then did a live video of the sunrise with no crowds. It's the way I have always wanted to experience it and likely the only time in history it has ever happened!

Ive been reading that they are finding evidence of other henges in the area, including one that goes AROUND Stonehenge, forming a shape that looks like a giant eye (which if you are a LOTR fan is chilling) I love the stuff.

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They did find some more evidence, CB, it is quite amazing that they are still discovering stuff because they have new technology that can do magic!  They think it's the biggest neolithic site in Britain, which is pretty amazing.

I missed the video of the sunrise, would you believe, it would have been great.  There's someone on Facebook who does great night time shots of Stonehenge, it's called Stonehenge Dronescapes, you might like it :) xx

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« Reply #34 on: July 13, 2020, 08:32:26 AM »
Spoke with two friends today, more listened really, I'm sorta feeling brain dead like not much is happening up there besides anxiety. It still feels good to keep in touch, it's two women from work that I would coordinate group outings with. It does go to show that making an effort to make friends is worth it sometimes in the long run. Of course I knew them from work so it was easy as they were around so often. Meeting new people out of the blue on the other hand isn't so easy and even more so with this Covid-macrocosm we live in.

I don't think I have any creative thoughts right now so I'm not going to force anything.

It's nice that you caught up with people, G, I've found it harder and harder to make the effort the last few weeks and a couple of others I know have said the same.  I'm not sure why, just different habits now, maybe?  Good that you got to chat though, and hopefully there will be a time in the not too distant future when you can get together again xx

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« Reply #35 on: July 13, 2020, 09:25:44 AM »
I'll check out the drone site, Tupp. Thanks for passing that along! I never get tired of them.

BBC had an absolutely stunning shot of the Neowise Comet streaking above Stonehenge last weekend. A fellow said he went specifically to see it and he was speechless. He said he will never again see anything like that. I think if I ever went to Britain and saw some of the things I have read about for so long, I would probably just go face down in the grass and cry.

Meanwhile, it's going to be 103 degrees today (39.4 C), so I'm planning food that requires no cooking. Not even walks today.

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« Reply #36 on: July 13, 2020, 12:13:32 PM »
I'll check out the drone site, Tupp. Thanks for passing that along! I never get tired of them.

BBC had an absolutely stunning shot of the Neowise Comet streaking above Stonehenge last weekend. A fellow said he went specifically to see it and he was speechless. He said he will never again see anything like that. I think if I ever went to Britain and saw some of the things I have read about for so long, I would probably just go face down in the grass and cry.

Meanwhile, it's going to be 103 degrees today (39.4 C), so I'm planning food that requires no cooking. Not even walks today.

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Ha ha, you could lay down and cry, there are lots of beautiful places and spaces.  There's also a lot of rubbish, traffic, drunk people and other less desirable things lol, but if you ever do get over here I would be very happy to show you around and shout at the drunk people for you if necessary :)

103 degrees is hot.  Oh my days, I think my English skin would fry.  It's raining here at the minute, not very warm and it feels like it's almost dark even though it's only five in the afternoon because it's so cloudy.

The comet pictures have been breathtaking, haven't they?  Although one person got the sort of shot I normally do; just cloud and a kind of smudge on one side, that did the rounds of the internet today and made me laugh :) xx

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« Reply #37 on: July 15, 2020, 01:20:29 AM »
For those who felt they were somehow perpetually rejected by a narcissistic family member etc. I never fully understood the science of it. Maybe the anterior cingulate cortex is completely messed up forever.

https://www.purdue.edu/uns/html3month/2005/050727.Williams.exclusion.html

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« Reply #38 on: July 15, 2020, 01:29:03 AM »
@ TWO

It's nice that you caught up with people, G, I've found it harder and harder to make the effort the last few weeks and a couple of others I know have said the same.  I'm not sure why, just different habits now, maybe?  Good that you got to chat though, and hopefully there will be a time in the not too distant future when you can get together again xx

Oh GOD YES Two, there is a malaise setting in. I felt an uneasiness or lack of motivation to reach out and return one person's call and then zoom with the other one. I did it because I want to be a decent friend and also for my own mental health. I never intended to drop the ball either, but a combo of moving further away AND quarantine has made it, so I don't want to see them. I do want to see them, but I'm not going to risk it right now. Plus, it's not very satisfying to have phone calls and zoom meetings some days. The word depression is overused; it could be appropriate here though? The more time goes on without contacting someone, I feel like I don't want to. But also I have nothing too exciting to add sometimes, I find myself quiet while they chat away, it's not always like that it's like the weather. I hope I get chatty again at some point.

It is getting harder, maybe phone calls don't ding our reward system that much or we all got so boring! Come to think of it both friends were telling me the details of cleaning out their closets. It's not exactly the best conversation stuff.

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« Reply #39 on: July 15, 2020, 06:04:28 AM »
@ TWO

It's nice that you caught up with people, G, I've found it harder and harder to make the effort the last few weeks and a couple of others I know have said the same.  I'm not sure why, just different habits now, maybe?  Good that you got to chat though, and hopefully there will be a time in the not too distant future when you can get together again xx

Oh GOD YES Two, there is a malaise setting in. I felt an uneasiness or lack of motivation to reach out and return one person's call and then zoom with the other one. I did it because I want to be a decent friend and also for my own mental health. I never intended to drop the ball either, but a combo of moving further away AND quarantine has made it, so I don't want to see them. I do want to see them, but I'm not going to risk it right now. Plus, it's not very satisfying to have phone calls and zoom meetings some days. The word depression is overused; it could be appropriate here though? The more time goes on without contacting someone, I feel like I don't want to. But also I have nothing too exciting to add sometimes, I find myself quiet while they chat away, it's not always like that it's like the weather. I hope I get chatty again at some point.

It is getting harder, maybe phone calls don't ding our reward system that much or we all got so boring! Come to think of it both friends were telling me the details of cleaning out their closets. It's not exactly the best conversation stuff.

It's definitely the lack of something to talk about with me, G.  I don't live the most interesting life at the best of times and I do all my deep and meaningful stuff on here.  At the moment, no-one I know has anything to talk about, because there's really nothing going on other than trying to avoid catching anything, for most people.  So yes, I have made the effort to text, just to say hi, but other than that I've the one friend I always talk to once a week and we just have that sort of friendship where we can chat about nothing in particular anyway.  I think a lot of people are feeling the same way.  I think the initial novelty of having lots of time to clean out cupboards has passed!

I have arranged a socially distanced coffee with another parent I know who lives nearby, in her garden, and if that remains a reasonably safe activity I might try to do that regularly.  She has said the same thing though, that she's got into the habit of not speaking to anyone and she had to really force herself to make the effort.  Hopefully we'll all feel a bit more sociable once we can meet up without passing on scary germs!

I'll have a look at that other link you posted later on, it looks interesting! xx

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« Reply #40 on: July 15, 2020, 06:50:17 AM »
I like this topic...feels as though connecting/conversations are really about everything, right now, with so much activity suspended.

I'm sometimes thinking of social connection these days as like preventive medicine or exercise. I don't enjoy it all the time, but sense it's an essential protection against future depression. I am making myself reach out, think of somebody who might enjoy the phone, or I'm trying to encourage myself to schedule a 30-minute Zoom. I am concerned about winter isolation so want to maximize whatever connections I have now so we might stay in contact (even Zoom) during winter, to push back against loneliness then. I figure for every less-than-thrilling chat I have now, the habit of connecting when I can might be some insurance against spinning down when the cold moves in. So I'm heading to other people's back yards too, those who have space for 8-foot visits and have said they'd enjoy it. I'll soak up the sight of friendly faces, which will matter more, ultimately, than anything we say, I figure. That's the plan, anyway.

The Zoom meeting that really makes a solid emotional difference to me is my Covenant Group. We really know each other by now pretty well, and we also rotate leading the meeting with different topics. Nothing formal, but a few "questions to ponder" the leader emails beforehand. Anybody can veer the comments in any direction they want, and we use a taking-turns structure so everyone knows they'll be really listened to at some point. It eases the mind and heart, I find.

I led a topic I called "Time Shifts" last time, and it went all over the place but people seemed to really feel good about it. The thing I notice in that group about Zoom is something I wrote up for the church newsletter that surprised me. The tech creates a new view of the participants I've found myself enjoying at a different level. When we meet ftf, we're basically across a room or side by side, and though I'd never want it to be permanent, in this weird time, Zoom also has a silver lining I can notice. Each time an individual speaks, and because they're fairly close to the camera, I find I'm savoring the expressions (or micro-expressions) on their faces close up, as I've never really been able to see before. Noticing how the look in their eyes warms or changes as they speak. Picking up on backgrounds in their homes, a painting or color or plant -- gives me a sense of another unique layer of personality. Or cat! A couple are cat people and every now and then a cat just sticks its butt in the picture or its tail drapes through the view. Funny and comforting. (My dog invariably winds up jamming her nose under my chin to be sure she gets a turn.)

"Time Shifts" became a winding commentary about quarantine feelings (kind of a suspension), age, nature/seasons, cosmic differences, the perspective of sleeping without alarm clocks, noticing, noticing. I think "noticing" was really the theme. But talking about time, even as it seems scary right now, with them was comforting. We also considered moments in our lives when time seemed to race or slow, and why. I enjoyed it. Mainly because of seeing them, and how they all keep showing up. We're going to do a caaaaarefully socially-distanced reunion, maybe, later this summer.

I have one other "group conversation" Zoom that meets twice a month, a co-ed secular discussion group that's evolving into just a social kind of time. Somebody hosts it and there's a take-turns time at the beginning where people check in with what's been going on. (Last time a painful moment was when one couple explained they lost their son 10 days ago...but it was so good they were there, shattered but warm and present.) They're all very smart, good hearted people, and I felt grateful. Both of these groups have about eight members, which seems to be a decent size for sharing for about an hour and a half or sometimes two. (I left a little early.)

Anyhoo, that's my input on Coversations at the mo'.

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« Reply #41 on: July 15, 2020, 08:27:47 AM »
Reading about those connections made me smile, Hops.  It does sound very comforting and likely to help you through the darker months.

Those groups are very fortunate to count you as a member.  I feel the same about you  in this group: )
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« Reply #42 on: July 15, 2020, 10:47:30 AM »
For those who felt they were somehow perpetually rejected by a narcissistic family member etc. I never fully understood the science of it. Maybe the anterior cingulate cortex is completely messed up forever.

https://www.purdue.edu/uns/html3month/2005/050727.Williams.exclusion.html

That was an interesting read, G, I think I might delve a bit deeper into that.  I think that realm of cold shoulder/silent treatment often becomes conflated with no contact or with just needing space to think or calm down before addressing a problem.  It's a difficult area to navigate, I think.  My mum did use silence as punishment when I was little and I think it led to my incessant need to talk and keep everyone happy.  I just couldn't stand it.  Equally I know some would see my no contact with her as doing the same thing but it was a decision I took after a lot of trying to have a relationship with her that didn't leave my mental health in tatters.  I'm interested to know more in the actual neurological side of it so I'll read up on that some more. Thanks for posting it xx

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« Reply #43 on: July 15, 2020, 10:15:25 PM »
Thank you, ((((Lighter))).

Back at ya.

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« Reply #44 on: July 18, 2020, 06:53:58 PM »
IME, silence, when used pinitively, is a super violent action. 

It's intended to do trauma to the person they're freezing out.

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