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Voicelessness and Emotional Survival Message Board / Re: Anything again
« Last post by Hopalong on February 27, 2026, 10:43:51 AM »
Meh, that is an amazing quotation.
Hit home for me because I just recommended "gray rocking" to a friend who sees her rich, powerful, domineering Nmother once a month, to much distress.

I'd like to share this with her. Would it be a pain to send me the source?

Since so many people feel (or believe) they are TRAPPED with Ns, especially if they're family....it hits me that if gray-rocking does all this describes (and I can feel how it does when I spent 10 years living with Nmom) -- then the only big solution is total NC (No Contact).

So, ideally, all Ns would be promptly and completely expunged from our lives. I could not do that, so I grayed myself into a shadow, or at least into depression. Once she was gone, I returned to my own life, slowly. Then there was Daughter, also N I believe, atop bipolar and all her other troubles.

So I feel much compassion for those who can't avoid contact with an N. On some level it remains a choice, but in some circumstances, with huge life impact, good or ill.

I figure it's a very personal calculation, based on very personal circumstances. And if gray-rock helps one get through situation X or Y, go for it. Frequency of contact is probably the other factor in the sanity equation. Daily calls and regular physical visits....all that can be modified. I could manage monthly gray-rocking, I think.

I was visiting a writer friend in her apt in grad school once and she showed me something I'd never learned. Somebody knocked at her door and she didn't answer -- we were having a great conversation. Later, her phone rang and she ignored it.

What a gift.

hugs
Hops
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Yes, you CAN, Lighter.
But I'm very sorry there's still a strong N in your life.

I think text messages are a new way to drive ourselves crazy. The device isolates, no matter how busy it gets. Maybe detaching from that method with this person would be a good idea? Texts go STRAIGHT into our ids. They're like rabbit punches to me. I don't give immediate access to many people, and spread the word "I'm not a good texter."

I'm glad you can visualize so powerfully, both the cliff edge and the peace of the cave. You can hurt yourself and heal yourself. It's remarkable.

And you've absolutely made my day with the word "everdam." May I borrow it?

hugs
Hops
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Voicelessness and Emotional Survival Message Board / Re: Anything again
« Last post by lighter on February 27, 2026, 08:19:38 AM »
Whew boy, Meh. 

The question becomes....
To be, or not to be, dependent on an explosive N.....esp with children.

I read it....saw myself in the head of a mother, protecting child.....what's modeled for the children?
Devastating. Untenable.

THEN I read it from the POV of a child.....growing up gray rocking....
more devastating. Zero choice.

The brain does forget, IME.
Lighter
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Voicelessness and Emotional Survival Message Board / Re: Anything again
« Last post by Meh on February 26, 2026, 12:51:03 PM »

"Grey Rock requires you to self-induce a state of dissociation. You are essentially asking your vibrant, emotional, creative self to go into a coma so that the narcissist doesn't have anything to "snack" on."

"When you Grey Rock, you aren't just ghosting the narcissist; you are often ghosting yourself. To be "boring" to them, you have to suppress your joy, your opinions, and your spontaneous reactions. If you do this for days or weeks, your brain forgets how to turn those lights back on. That "depression" and "lack of natural activity" you're feeling? That’s your nervous system staying in Functional Freeze."

"Grey Rock is often sold as a way to "win." In reality, it’s a way to sustain the status quo.

It doesn’t stop the person from being a narcissist; it just changes the flavor of the conflict.

Instead of an explosive argument, you get the "banging around" for 40 minutes and the "medical sagas." They are still taking up all the oxygen in the room; you’re just holding your breath to make it last longer."

"By staying "grey," you are essentially paying a tax on your soul. You’ve realized that the "cost" of avoiding a blow-up is the slow erosion of your personality."

"Most advice focuses on "how to handle the narcissist" rather than "how to save the victim's spirit." It’s easier to tell someone to "be a rock" than to address the devastating reality that living with a narcissist is a trauma-inducing environment."
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Voicelessness and Emotional Survival Message Board / Re: Anything again
« Last post by Meh on February 26, 2026, 12:08:54 PM »
(((Meh)))) --
How much can you control how often you have to be in their actual presence?

I know it might be realistically complex for various real-reasons... but wonder how much you HAVE to see them, in the present and the flesh?

They're so toxic to you. But I envision you FREE.
I dunno how much distance you can manage, but hope you can manage more.

hugs
Hops


yes, I know... the proximity is not healthy for me i know
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Voicelessness and Emotional Survival Message Board / Re: Anything again
« Last post by Meh on February 26, 2026, 12:07:41 PM »

"For a narcissist, a doctor’s appointment is like a premiere of a movie where they are the star, the director, and the victim all at once. They want your full emotional labor to validate their "experience."
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Well.... it's circular.  Isn't it?  Yup.

One needs to stop being affected by the Ns, but they keep being Ns, and that is upsetting bc one needs them to stop being what they are/doing what they're doing so....

one....

can.....

stay......level.....and not get....yoinked backwards.....into the N.....

Wait a minute.

I already know the N gonna do the N same daNg things.

I suffer, bc..... expectations.  My expectations.

Ok....
my expectations for the N don't align with reality.

I have enough distance on it .....I can put it down, but snark, bite and nails POP up like a children's jack-in-the-box
everdang
time.

And I understand it's inside my head....my Nervous System.  My unrealistic expectations.

And I know the way out.....in fact.... I'm going to pick one of my favorite processing things.....and do my best to get on with it.

::looking back at all the people I've done this with::.

I have a visual.... 
I'm standing at the entrance to a cave....a few away from a Cliff's edge....between the edge and the cave entrance.

Occasionally, I get rabbit punched...pinched....whacked in the head by a sharp rock, thrown from above.

I realize, I can step back, again.  Into the cave's safety....and only worry about what's in front of me.

Just as I learned to step back from the Cliff's edge....where everything could hit me anytime, anywhere....it was up to me to notice, and look for ways to make myself safe.

Proximity to the edge is one part. Not enough.

So......again, it's resistance popping up.  Needing someone to stop being/doing/and in this case, simply reminding me of trauma.

That's me.....learning, still learning to notice.....breathe....examine.....do I have access to choice?

I do, now....in this case....I do.

20 minutes ago I was all snark and emotional snot.

I don't like feeling how that feels. 

I threw out the fresh Christmas wreath today.....not so fresh anymore, but still so fragrant.  I stood with it to my 🔙 se, at the curb, and didn't want to put it down.  It's one of the joyful things, real things...no.  It's an actual happy place inside my entire being.  Like my tomato garden....that.

Then I walk inside the house, read a text and ::poof::. happy place gone. Snark and mental snot land....and I know....I notice. I have.....choice....in the matter?

I do, but, first I have to finish processing it out of my dang limbic system....or, emotionally step inside the safe cave where I live in the present and stop reacting to things in the past, like they're still happening today.

And asvI moved through laundry, kitchen tidy, and noticing the messy snow/ice prep remains of clearing out the garage for 2 cars.....
I realize......
I played my own part in this sticky, messy painful relationship.  I kicked, rabbit punched and bit back....and it wasn't at all subtle.  I did that.  Reactively, but I did it and I knew it would leave marks and now those are in the mix, as well as all the other marks, theirs, mine and involved others.  Lordy.

But I still want out.  I still want protection from reactions....I want that split second of choice....the respond/be responsive.....to myself AND the N.....to others....to do no harm, bc that feels worse, and accomplishes nothing I want.

I might want to teach, the N, but that's not my job.  That time has passed, if it ever existed at all.  And I realize, now. I kicked emotional dirt all over something I didn't need to and I want to stop feeling and kicking that dirt around.

And....

Resistance to this......
is.....
a little fear the N will DO something to drag me back out of my safe cave, which is me and mine to deal with.  Not the N, who.....?
Will be......?
What the N is.  I have no control over that.

Ok.....
This really is about resistance.  MY resistance.

I'm going to walk in wet moss, write out my (I felt ____ when ____ did _____,)statement, then tap this down....and...out of my system.

I'm gonna write a (I feel____)statement of what I want....and tap it up ...into my system.

::noticing visual of T's shiny compassionate eyes::.

Nose off pebble.... there's light and space around this.....now.  It's an actual process....for me...I can manage this.

Lighter


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Voicelessness and Emotional Survival Message Board / Re: Anything again
« Last post by Hopalong on February 25, 2026, 07:50:02 PM »
(((Meh)))) --
How much can you control how often you have to be in their actual presence?

I know it might be realistically complex for various real-reasons... but wonder how much you HAVE to see them, in the present and the flesh?

They're so toxic to you. But I envision you FREE.
I dunno how much distance you can manage, but hope you can manage more.

hugs
Hops
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Voicelessness and Emotional Survival Message Board / Re: facing the world
« Last post by lighter on February 25, 2026, 10:19:38 AM »
::Thinking about screaming 😱::.
.....
.....
Eh. 

Maybe later.

Lighter
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Voicelessness and Emotional Survival Message Board / Re: Anything again
« Last post by lighter on February 25, 2026, 10:16:14 AM »
Regarding, Concerned Trolling.....

::mentally pointing at A.... while wondering if it's sometimes me meee meeeeeeeee::.


I really like what Meh said...
"I just want peace and privacy and solutions and ease and to be far away from the N forever."

Feels like another flowing mantra....it has a satisfying ring to it.

Lighter




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