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Caetextia: A New Definition of Autism and Aspergers behavior
sea storm:
I wish this information was written in a less dense and clearer way. It is very important and in this academic format it isn't accessible enough. I am not kidding. I have a Master's Degree in Ed Psych and have worked and designed programs for children with Aspergers and Autism and I don't understand it. What is the point they are making. For Pete's Sake I also have a degree in English. I am sick of the pompous and acturally inarticulate musings of these scientists. Academia is full of it. It is like they are in a trance where they speak their own language.
The little I understood was extremely interesting. Huff Huff
BonesMS:
--- Quote from: sea storm on February 09, 2012, 02:57:03 PM ---I wish this information was written in a less dense and clearer way. It is very important and in this academic format it isn't accessible enough. I am not kidding. I have a Master's Degree in Ed Psych and have worked and designed programs for children with Aspergers and Autism and I don't understand it. What is the point they are making. For Pete's Sake I also have a degree in English. I am sick of the pompous and acturally inarticulate musings of these scientists. Academia is full of it. It is like they are in a trance where they speak their own language.
The little I understood was extremely interesting. Huff Huff
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I agree Sea Storm! It appears that these scientists are stuck in an ivory tower of their own making and have ZERO interest in LISTENING to anyone!
Bones
sKePTiKal:
SL:
OK - I like your explanation! Let's use that until we find something better.
--- Quote --- I get the impression a person with this condition has to sort of think their way into a sense of self rather than just being that self. So for those with the right brain impairment, the self definition process is intellectual without the benefit of right brain intuition.
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It's kinda scary to me, to recognize myself in the above. Especially thinking my way into a sense of self and really craving that ability to just be myself - sans qualifications, asking for permission, apologizing for, etc. But then, I remember... that some types of dysfunctional parenting, especially with moms... does have this kind of impact on right-brain development (per my hero, Alan Schore). So... while I'm fairly confident that my "real self" isn't autistic or AS (after some dubious online testing)... I know that my brain was "trained" to be this way because of that FOO environment.
Un-doing that training is working for me; it's taken time (more than I realized or hoped) to clear enough space for me to stand in the middle, and turn all the way around and breathe - as just me. Maybe neuroscience will figure out a way to make it possible to help people who really are AS and Autistic, too.
SilverLining:
--- Quote from: PhoenixRising on February 10, 2012, 08:53:03 AM ---It's kinda scary to me, to recognize myself in the above. Especially thinking my way into a sense of self and really craving that ability to just be myself - sans qualifications, asking for permission, apologizing for, etc. But then, I remember... that some types of dysfunctional parenting, especially with moms... does have this kind of impact on right-brain development (per my hero, Alan Schore). So... while I'm fairly confident that my "real self" isn't autistic or AS (after some dubious online testing)... I know that my brain was "trained" to be this way because of that FOO environment.
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Hey Phoenix. That's exactly where I'm at. I've been an expert at the lifelong pursuit of identity and a sense of real self. So then we're down to old nature/nurture question. I've done the online testing as well, and my memories of early childhood don't suggest any sort of autistic or AS signs in myself (my brother and I believe my father had the typical AS late development of language, early problems with peers e.t.c..). So I agree for us it was a matter of being trained into certain behaviors by a dysfunctional environment. My memories of early childhood are fairly positive, but by the time I spent the required 18+ years in the FOO bizarro world, I was a mess.
sKePTiKal:
"I was a mess" you said...
does that mean you can notice an improvement now? That things are better, more often, than reminding you of "what was"?
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