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Histrionic PD
sKePTiKal:
Hi Beth! Nice to see you again... at least virtually, hee-hee!
Thanks for this thread. The timing is remarkable - I really need it at the moment. LONG story... and doesn't belong here. I don't have a lot of time to get caught up online right now - or least, not just yet. Soon.
Thanks Salsa... for the short lists of symptoms, too. That helps me sort out a dark, ugly mess.
Anyone find anything relating to life-experiences that might begin to explain a "cause" [via reaction; self-defense mechanism] for HPD or the hybrid of N & HPD? I read some case histories once that went a long way to describing how a few people became Ns... think I kept the book... It was like they came to a fork in their life's road and went the "wrong" way. Or do most experts believe that people are born Ns? just the way they develop in the womb, genetics, and then nurture/life adds it's influence? Like with BPD- my T told me that borderline people are born that way... but then, it's accepted that in some cases of PTSD, and some sexual/child abuse victims... that the same set of symptoms (maybe call this "pseudo-BDP"?) can present themselves.
SilverLining:
--- Quote from: gratitude28 on June 24, 2012, 10:15:49 PM ---Yeah, Silver, I know what you mean :) I thought I was the problem for so long. Weird when I started seeing what was really going on. And, of course, we never fully know what is the "answer." We just have to take what we know and understand and apply it to how we deal with the people in our lives. Overall, it makes life easier to have knowledge :)
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Same here. I figured I must be the problem. And since my mother insists on blaming everything in her life on something outside herself, she helped form my interpretation. Everybody else is an active agent, but she is a victim. So I and the sibs grew up tiptoeing around, making sure not to trigger a "breakdown". When one happened, she never had any problem blaming someone else.
And the interpretations of the N's make figuring out the cause (of their problems and our own) even more challenging. My mother has had plenty to say about the supposedly dreadful conditions and abuses she endured in her own FOO. So it's pretty clear she doesn't believe her own nature is the cause of her problems.
But in my forties I started to question these stories, which had become something of a family mythology. Her assessment of her own situation is part of her personality problem. When she's "up" she'll have at least a few positive comments about people. But then she cycles to a more negative frame of mind, and everybody outside her gets turned into a villain.
gratitude28:
Silver - funny, NM is the opposite about her family. She paints a picture of perfection and sweetness. She would have you believe she lived in a castle and had ponies in her bedroom and maids to clean up after them. I think the truth is much uglier. And as far as blame... you are so right - everyone else causes their own problems and brings problems on themselves. ANything that happens to HER is becuase people are stupid.
Hi Phoenix!!! Missed you!!! Would love to hear your story when you have time and the energy... I think I believe that the N is created - but very early on. I think there is some moment at 3 - 5 when the person freezes and never matures. I have read that this is what many believe. I don't think it's a physical (chemical) imbalance like BPD or schizophrenia. I also don't believe it's treatable, unfortuntely. I don't think they can come out of the fantasy world they create to see reality. They are so much like children who design a world they want to live in and then make everyone around fit into the show or else close their eyes and wish them away. Pathetic and awful. Hurtful and shameful to those around them.
Meh:
I've also read just as you have stated above that Narcissists get stuck at a young age specifically two. Terrible twos.
medial prefrontal cortex--self centered thinking (younger people use more)
temporo parietal junction-- thought focused on others (older people use more)
BonesMS:
--- Quote from: Mild Salsa on June 26, 2012, 12:05:14 AM ---I've also read just as you have stated above that Narcissists get stuck at a young age specifically two. Terrible twos.
medial prefrontal cortex--self centered thinking (younger people use more)
temporo parietal junction-- thought focused on others (older people use more)
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The "Terrible Twos" behavior sounds right. Watch how an N reacts to the word "No"! Their N-tantrum is NOT pretty!
Bones
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