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Alan:
I found a web site for Narcissists, friends and family.  I will not comment on the site itself.  I received the following information from them. I want to pass it along.  It is not to offend anyone, I believe all information is important.

"Narcissism will be the featured topic of the Infinite Mind Radio Program the week of October 1-8. The show is hosted by Dr. Fred Goodwin, a licensed psychriatrist. Dr. Goodwin is the former Director of the National Institute of Mental Health. Dr. Goodwin firmly believes that NPD is not evil and is a very misunderstood mental illness.

Tony Brown, the Host of the Healing Narcissism community will be one of the guests that will be appearing on the show. Tony will talk about his experience as someone who has been diagnosed with NPD and has worked on healing for 7 1/2 years.

Also appearing on the program will be Dr. Jeffery Young, an expert on personality disorders who believes progress is being made in treating NPD.

The Infinite Mind is heard on Public Radio programs in 210 markets across the United States and Canada. For a directory of stations which carry the Infinite mind program visit http://www.lcmedia.com/stations.htm

Persons living in areas where this program is not heard can listen to the show beginning October 1st via real audio technology at http://www.infinitemind.org/

We will receive a CD of this program approximately two weeks after it airs and will plan on posting it on the Healing NPD support forum and web site.

Please feel free to contact us with questions or comments about accessing this program. This is an excellent opportunity to work with respected professionals in the mental health field and get beyond the misinformation and prejudice currently flooding information sources regarding narcissism and NPD.

Thank you!

Healing Narcissism and Disorders of the Self
web site: http://www.healingnpd.org
support forums: http://frost.bbboy.net/healnpd"

Living Consciously:
Thank you for posting this link. I will be tuning in to the Real Audio version to hear it for myself.

CC:
Alan, it should be interesting to listen to.  I will be bolder than you and go ahead and comment on the website you included.  

Though I have not veiwed it in great detail, from the home page I think we can assess that it is a healthy, more objective site that stays away from the hatred that some N sites seem to perpetuate.  Anger is a natural emotion we experience as children and victims of N, however I do agree with the statement that the diagnosis is sometimes overused.  As many of the pros have indicated, there are different degrees of N.  I don't think that hatred is a healthy recovery method and in fact think it weakens a person's sense of taking responsiblity for who we are and what we can be NOW.  

Thanks again for the contribution.

Discounted Girl:
I have read the page at url:
http://www.healingnpd.org/humanity.html
and I must admit that it has given me cause to pause and think. Yes, it's easy to associate the terms "evil, wicked" with my mother, but I DO try not to. However, being faithful and protective to myself (which I sorely neglected lo these many years) is far more important than trying to feel "humane" towards her. I am very spiritual and I soul search and speak to Jesus daily about this.  I don't think I am supposed to be careless with myself and allow any more abuse to come to me whether or not my mother is treated in a humane manner or whether she gets properly diagnosed, treated or anything else. Cutting off all ties after such abuse is the only solution for me, for the little girl who still suffers -- I am being my own mother and nurturing my ownself. I just studied a picture of me at about 15 mo old -- it brought tears to my eyes, I can see the sadness in that picture.  Before we go all bleeding heart and sympathetic towards our abusers, let's remember this verse:

If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Mathew 18:15-17

Acappella:
I second Living Consciously’s  “Thank you Alan” for taking the time to pass on this information!  I will certainly check it out and might easily have missed it otherwise.  

I'll be searching that link and the radio program for clues about how to live with and without those with N traits – either is a struggle for me.  Should be easy to do without but then why the heck am I living with one.   :roll:  :?:

So much of what i read here on our site, and struggle with myself, is about cutting ties and about how to live with those not yet cut and those that may never be (oh and what constitutes a healthy one anyway?  :?  ).  At the risk of sounding corny, one thing I am getting very clear about is that understanding is a key.  So, thanks for passing on a source for more potential pieces of the puzzle.

I'll come back to this thread after listening to the program next week.

P.S. CC and Discounted Girl, I got the feeling that you are both speaking to the balance or lack there of between love and hate, understanding/compassion and indifference/malevolence.  How, when, where and why to strike a balance or/& acknowledge being driven to extremes?  When to brave seeing the world/a world from their viewpoint?  How not to loose myself in their reflection when I only stepped into that pool for a brief moment to gain some understanding?  How not to get swept away in the undertow?   It is a sort of slippery slope for me.  I could go on at length here but since the topic is the radio program I’ll stick to that here except to say:

Discounted Girl
It is such a waste!  Your 15-month-old self, just waiting for proper nourishment to boom.  For that my heart bleeds a little and I am, albeit painfully, proud that to have the luxury, at this moment, that some others do not and that I do not always have myself to feel, for even a moment, that loss and pain and thereby the value of life, yours and mine, the quality not just quantity.    

In a way she is standing there in that picture still waiting, suspended in time until someone like you, who knows AND feels the value of what was lost, her, your value to come along and release her.  And, if we don't mourn and feel the losses of childhood how can we know the true value of what we are reviving in ourselves and protecting one another and future generations from? That is the gift of having a heart that bleeds.

And as you point out, it is that hemorrhaging we have look out for!  Arrrrrrg.  :x One way is to cut ties.  I did with my “mom” for decades and I am back in contact now and very glad I cut those ties and very glad I am in contact again. Given the circumstances, social and personal, I am both sad and comfortable saying I’d do it the same way again.  She was and is not the embodiment of evil and yet her behavior had the ability to wreak an evil havoc with my life.  (still does but just briefly and not so deeply either).

In terms of how to respond I don't understand what is meant by “a Gentile and a tax collector “ -is that to say there is a price to pay for having a society, a collective in which we do not always agree and at least one can find solace in others with whom we enjoy support?  

And CC, if I recall you are still living, as am I, with a husband with N traits?  Isn't that close enough I ask myself?  Besides isn’t our caring part of what they devour?  Do I spend too much time trying to understand him and survive him at the expense of, oh lets see...hmmm, perhaps that career post/conversation?  (as CC knows, I posted a topic about employment –I just vented for the first post so it may be hard to tell but it is intended to be a place to talk and focus on ourselves especially regarding work/career).  Ok, CC I am going back that way, really any minute.

P.S.S.  One of these days I may get around to posting something along the lines of  “Give and Take: Sharing the Seas with Pirates” regarding the whole thing of how do we live with them as flesh and blood or as ghostly creatures?  How do we not become villainous fighting villains?  When are we sympathetic vs. when are we pathetic?  (or I'll look for other posts about that).  Balance takes a lot of coordination.  Ok I am straying from this radio post.  See ya here in Oct.

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