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LIES AND THE LYING LIARS WHO TELL THEM

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mudpuppy:
Attacking the messenger in lieu of engaging his argument is generally known as an ad hominem logical fallacy.

I'd like to revise and extend my remarks; After reading a couple more pages that story wasn't quite the hit piece it seemed it was going to be. Hardly flattering and not without bias but what I read was relatively straight forward as those things go. I should have given Hops the benefit of the doubt.

mud

Hopalong:
Thanks, Mud.

hugs
Hops

mudpuppy:
You're welcome, Hops.

On the other hand my point stands that a sanctimonious creep, who the evidence overwhelmingly demonstrates stole an election from the people of the state he supposedly represents, is not only a lying liar who tells lies, he's worse than most for having the gall to write a book excoriating others for much less momentous lies than his.

mud

Hopalong:
I think the truth is, Mud, that you spend time in the right-wing echo chamber (Fox News et al) and I spend time in the left-wing echo chamber (Salon.com et al).

I lack the expertise to re-litigate or do original investigation that "proves" my point of view. And I believe you lack it too.

We are a classic example of the divide, and it's sad.

I am not certain that I'm right, nor am I certain that you're wrong.

I imagine the truth is elsewhere, and not with us.
And I also imagine that you could completely wear me out in a political debate, and I would lose.

But it doesn't mean that in yielding to the power of greater certainty I would be converted.
It just doesn't work.

If you're curious about a rebuttal -- here is one, with a lot of links to evidence. FWIW.
I don't know if the picture this paints is an ultimate answer. I know that because I am so
liberal, and generally find my thoughts more aligned with this source than with Fox News
it seems more true and more reasoned to me. (And it's snarky, which doesn't bring people
into harmony.)

Best I can do, and it's not good enough. I just lack the commitment to the fight.
And don't want to have it on VESMB anyway. Will yank too much energy away from
the personal voicelessness stuff that I come here to engage...

Agnostically, and always glad you're my brother Mud...

Hops

Hopalong:
Thanks, TT.
Didn't need a referee as in my experience Mud and I always revert to mutual respect,
despite our different points of view.

One of the reasons I so value him. He is a deeply good person.

I'm okay with lack of resolution--it can't be forced.

love
Hops

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