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Hopalong

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Work woes
« on: February 19, 2014, 04:51:23 PM »
Things have been generally better with the Production-Manager-Who-Hates-Me in the last year. Nboss, once the hostility toward me began to affect him too,
even sent PMan to therapy for a while. He backed off. Nboss kept telling me he was "fixed now" but I knew that level of hatred was hardwired, and about
his mother, and women in general, not about me. (He has been aggressive and critical and sabotaging of me from the moment we met 7 years ago, without
even knowing me. I think he has deep, primal, old rage (mother stuff)...AND, I came in to work closely with Nboss (my job) while PMan had been the golden boy.

Fast-forward. Nboss was away recently for an unusually long time. PMan began to rumble. By the time Nboss returned, there'd been a series of email attacks
on me (CC'd to the entire senior staff). PMan referred to me over the course of a few hours--to others--passive-aggressive, intimidating, adolescent, unprofessional,
false claims, bad communication, etc.) He tried to rally everyone, demanded a public meeting where we'd "deal with Hops' communication problem." His emails
are full of digs and slams and character attacks, and any factual question gets twisted and interpreted by him in a really creepy, destructive way. Nboss has
told him before that these attacks on me are destructive, but there's never any real consequence. (Nboss is completely dependent on him for production,
so he never sets consequences. For me, Nboss views me as...female, and so never has valued my skills similarly, though truthfully, he is just as
dependent on my work for the company to succeed. My new colleagues, thank god, respect and support me. All the backbiting hasn't been contagious to them.)

Nboss heard me out and refused to allow it to be on senior team meeting agenda. But tomorrow I have to meet alone with Nboss and PMan, while Nboss
basically tells us "I want you to have mutual trust and respect." (He reads a management guru who has this theme.) I will be okay but haven't been
sleeping and my muscles are very tense. Reminds me of that "beating under the stairs" feeling I had thru childhood due to my brother's abuse. And this
IS abuse, even if only verbal.

Anyway, it's the same old toxic cycle. My challenge to myself is to find deep inner calm for the meeting, conduct myself with dignity and fairness regardless of
PMan provocation or Nboss's guru theater or condescension. But it's hard. How do I pretend to trust and respect someone who has been so frighteningly
hateful to me for seven years?

Just thought I'd post this to request some little tsunamis at 11amEST. Silly agnostic me, I do value that a lot.

love and thanks for listening,
Hops
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Re: Work woes
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2014, 10:50:20 PM »
Hi Hops,

If only work could be neutral and void of personal "stuff"

Ughhhh... oh no that sounds like hell. The only some what positive side about the public emails is that at least it's not secretive and subversive sabotage.

OMG that would stress me out.


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Re: Work woes
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2014, 07:03:51 AM »
That's true, Boat. (You DO know you're busted, right? Green Bean?)  :lol:

It's not subtle and it's very public because I think he's unaware of how transparent he is  -- it's more like being dragged into a boxing ring. The good thing is that as years have gone by, others have picked up on how warped this stuff is. I'm actually sorry for him when I'm not under direct attack. And, Nboss doesn't indulge/enable him quite as much as he used to, though he's never shown leadership in really stopping it for good (like, with consequences). Nboss told me yesterday that he "can't stop it."

One almost-fascinating thing about it has been that I have never seen so open and obvious a case of projection. This guy is seething away in a warehouse writing long, rambling emails full of accusations that appear to me anyway (and to at least 2 colleagues) to be full of charges that describe HIM. (Adolescent, unprofessional, drama, etc...). He sets the entire leadership including his boss and me into a tizzy, emergency meetings are called, my work is yanked off course, I lose focus, it upsets everything and aftereffects last for weeks.

I hope this round is settled quickly. Haven't slept well and my muscles have been so taut they spasm. But I'll get through it.

Thanks for reading, Boat,
xo
Hops
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Re: Work woes
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2014, 12:35:51 PM »
Sending oceans of soothing light your way, Hopsie, and 'Back off, Sunbeam' vibes to that little man.  Hope they get to you before your meeting (not sure of the time difference) but if not please know that there are a number of people on this board who are always in my thoughts and you are one of them xx

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Re: Work woes
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2014, 01:09:58 AM »
Yah, of course I read. Situation sucks :(      Tell us how it all goes

I've been taking half of a generic allergy pill to help me sleep. Diphenhydramine or something like that. They put it in sleep aids. Going to take one right now.
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Re: Work woes
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2014, 07:08:54 AM »
Though I've been lucky and have never been raped nor beaten with fists in my life, to me...this dynamic when it flares causes me to think of those things. It is extremely intimidating and even strikes me as a bit...evil.

Nboss just wants to quash it. He made us both sit in a tight circle with him, nearly knee to knee, and guided us through a "mediation" (no choice--close eyes--listen to boss tell you what to do with your body, your thoughts, etc) and y'all know how much I love THAT). Because it is not voluntary and he is using his power to force it, that feels like a psychological invasion to me, intensely.

I tried to breathe in compassion and breathe out peace, etc. Was relaxed and composed. But when PMan spoke, I felt that nothing was different...he puts on a "Bambi eyes" act in front of Nboss. It is honestly a horrible feeling.

And I guess that just means the old cycle is recurring and I need to focus on the fact that I am a strong, adult woman with the power to say No. I will never again reply or participate in an email chain with PMan where his aggression and hostility are building. If he does it again my hope is I'll be able to quickly respond: "Hi PMan, I would like to have a conversation with you or help answer your questions. Please give me a call so we can speak one on one. Thank you."

I guess I'll handle it that way. And then, after writing something like that, I'll just stop responding. Maybe even block his email for a while until it passes.

It is a sick feeling. And the way he CC'd everyone he could think of reminded me so much of being bullied as a child. There's no mistaking it.

Last night I could feel some chest pain, it's hard to let go of it. But I am strong and I will not allow him to bring me down.

Hops
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Re: Work woes
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2014, 08:19:01 PM »
Hops:

Your job sounds like opportunity after opportunity to resolve every pd issue you ever had, and never had, IMO.

::shaking head::

I'm late on this, but sending you all the strength, stoicism, and appropriate Amazonian weapons of clever assertiveness I can lend to the cause.

lighter



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Re: Work woes
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2014, 09:49:15 PM »
gosh, doing a guided meditation doesn't identify the actions/behaviors that could be changed in order to change the scenario

yah it's not very professional to do a guided meditation pretty quacko-whacko


I used to take yoga classes where the instructor would keep talking non-stop during guided meditations and it annoyed the heck out of me. so yah I get what you mean 

it's not guided meditation> instead invasion     doesn't change a thing   


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Re: Work woes
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2014, 09:32:06 AM »
Thanks Boat, Tupp, Lighter. Means a lot to have some company to vent it all with.

Doing better, moving through it. Today I work with just one other, big ole country lady
who loves my pooch (so I take pooch along). It'll be a quiet day. My goal is to get my
desk tidied up and make a priority list of tasks for the next month. (My desk is a shambles.)

I recorded 3 TV spots yesterday. That's fun. I write the script, pull the images together,
then go to the studio and record the voiceover with the engineer. Now and then my
friends will say, I heard your voice coming from the television! It's funny. My voice
used to be all female Ted Willliams [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cl_fMxQCTw]
but with age (and allergies), it's getting faintly crackly -- a wee subtle rasp. So every
time I broadcast, I cross my fingers it'll hold out a while longer since it's a good skill
to market.

Huh. I said "market." That sounds like someone who's subconsciously interested in
WORKING AT A GOL-DARN DIFFERENT PLACE, doesn't it?

I do have support at work and it's from the future CEO of the place, so I know that
if I hang in there and stand up for myself...one day, there may be a better situation.

I'm beginning to calm down. I think this round felt worse in a way because PMan had
not come after me for a year. I had dropped my guard and when he attacked it was
more painful and shocking -- had a more traumatic effect since I'd started to think
he wouldn't ever bully me again. Whoooooops.

Off to get ready and thank you again for the support...must get tedious when I
recycle the same issues on here!

love
Hops
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Re: Work woes
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2014, 08:47:37 PM »
:-)

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Re: Work woes
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2014, 02:50:32 AM »
Never tedious, Hops, I think I'd have blown at him by now, he sounds awful.  Is it a small company?  I used to work for a small firm and it was sooooo toxic, way more than larger firms I'd worked for because, I think, it was much more like a family that you couldn't get away from (in the big firm people used to nod and say hello but other than that I used to go in, do my typing and then go home.  I preferred that!).

I hope he vanishes somewhere soon, he sounds like he needs his door blocking with a stack of self help books that he has to read before he can come back in the building :)

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Re: Work woes
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2014, 07:26:34 AM »
That's perceptive, Tupp. You're right--28 employees. It's half family-owned (51% Nboss) but eventually will be all employee owned. That's one reason I hang in (the other is my age--would be very hard to find a replacement job with a prayer of retirement). Before he started the business, Nboss' family was an ashram with a corrupt guru. He left the ashram but brought the mind-games with him.

He really threw me under the bus letting Pman's abusiveness slide again -- in fact this time, he blamed me nearly overtly. Sent around a response saying we all can agree that the "commuication problem" began when I joined the company. Neutrally, that timeline is true but only in the sense that when I arrived, Pman hated me on sight and put me in his cross-hairs. Letting Nboss minimize it as a "communication problem" is mentioned in the literature as a classic technique. Euphemisms for emotional abuse, and also -- forcing the target to feel identified as "half the problem." I felt traumatized in the "meeting." That turned out to be a forced meditation session led by Nboss, crooning messages about how much we love the company, while I had to sit nearly knee with the two of them. It was followed by instructions to speak only of the present moment with no reference to anything past, and not to use any "labels." What that meant was--I could not talk about what I'd experienced nor say, I have been bullied. He silenced me. At the end of the meeting Pman gave a tiny smirk. I read it as, "Got away with it again, ha."

I realized that Nboss just plain loves Pman and is never going to stop the bullying. I have choices:
--commit to finding another job, any job, and get out asap--forfeit my company shares (major economic consequences for me)
--hang in there because there's a high possibility that when Nboss does retire, he'll choose my good colleague as CEO. That colleague is smart, reasonable, and my friend. He can't take on my battle in this moment, because he's in the position of being "tested" as a competitor against Pman for the eventual successor (CEO) position. It's extremely obvious Pman would make a lousy CEO, but Nboss is going through the motions of considering them both anyway because he has to secure Pman's ongoing adoration. (N-supply.)

Last night, because I had to speak up for myself in some way, I sent Nboss a memo that briefly reviewed the history of this behavior and failed attempts to stem it, and a proposal that we add anti-bulling policy language to our employee manual. I pointed out the many lost days over the years we'd spent in a variety of efforts and all had failed. I stated that telling a bullying target they may not speak of their experience, or forcing them to participate in intimate meetings or exercises with the bully is blaming the victim and continuing an atmosphere of abuse tolerance. I included links to literature about workplace bullying.

He will likely dismiss it (and be angry with me). At the same time, by sending it, I've put him on notice that I can speak, and that I believe it is what it is. The obligation is on him, not me, to correct these conditions. He won't -- but what's different from years ago is that I now have allies (my two teammates, at the least). As enmeshed as he is with Pman, I don't think Nboss wants to lose me either.

He probably has some fears that I will "blow the whistle" and he knows I can write. So, perhaps I have a little more power than I think. I am assuming that as I get older he will continue to marginalize me. And his misogyny is leaking out a lot more these days. BUT. Young Gman (for "good man"--my MBA colleague who will likely become CEO) is still there. And Nboss needs him more than Pman, really. With allies like Gman and our Art Director, both of whom have validated and supported me (privately, but I do not blame them, they have to protect their own positions too) ... I am not as lone in the situation as I was for the first 5 years.

I am very sick of this cycle. And it does feel like PTSD when it happens. On the other hand, I am also stronger in ways. I do push back. I do advocate for what is right as best I can.

I hate the stress and adrenalin and trauma of having to re-fight this fight. The literature also says, once you're targeted and it's clear a boss won't fix it...you may as well leave. But I don't have that luxury.

So, on it goes. Thanks for listening.

love
Hops
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Re: Work woes
« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2014, 10:44:57 AM »
Hops:

I'm so glad you have allies who can help you feel less alone when you're being pulled under the stairs..... ((((Hops.))))

You're still getting pulled under the stairs....

but at least there are witnesses who aren't cheering, or pretending it didn't happen, kwim?

lighter

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Re: Work woes
« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2014, 08:34:58 PM »
Yah stressful as all heck. Sigh. Not sure what to say.

There is not much to do except to get your biotch on and tell him to shut it.

It's a messed up game, where you have to continue to be polite and cordial and productive etc.   and they keep going around with the non-sense.

I think these situations mainly get resolved by dirty means not that it's your style or an option for you though war is war.

Good luck with whatever happens.

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Re: Work woes
« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2014, 09:39:44 PM »
Hops:

I can't understand how people could be anything but kind to you. No kidding.  it just goes to show it does not matter how nice you are and how insightful and well read etc there are going to be people who would delight in sinking your boat.

I don't think there is anything you can do to change those rascals and thieves ( energy suckers) except leave and you can't always do that. Protect yourself somehow so you don't get chest pains. No one cares at work if you die at your desk. It is just  " Next please" for them.

I gave up working and went on disability because of PTSD.  It was fully supported by my psychiatrist.  I felt bad about this but it allowed me to get back to myself. And be content again.

There is nothing you can do about your daughter. Although it seems contrary to nature and being a mom to let go it is ok to do this and see what happens.  You can still love her and it will still help but you don't deserve to stand around and get beaten up. Either verbally, financially, emotionally et al.  There is a bright spark in you and such a poet. You can go to dark places but you are a torch bearer.

I will never forget how much your support helped me.

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