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Re: Still need to work through early trauma
« Reply #30 on: May 30, 2014, 10:17:14 AM »
I am going to try a thought experiment today.  I want to see if shifting my thought patterns can help me break through this stuck place.

It is too vulnerable to write exactly what my experiment is but it will be interesting to see how I can handle it.  I know anything needs to be given time and that understanding will be pitted against such a longing and need and impatience for a break through.

But I must do something to get moving.

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Re: Still need to work through early trauma
« Reply #31 on: May 31, 2014, 12:00:48 AM »
I am going to try a thought experiment today.  I want to see if shifting my thought patterns can help me break through this stuck place.

It is too vulnerable to write exactly what my experiment is but it will be interesting to see how I can handle it.  I know anything needs to be given time and that understanding will be pitted against such a longing and need and impatience for a break through.

But I must do something to get moving.

I will keep my fingers crossed that something helps you out of this stuck place, GS.  Personally I find shifting my thought patterns really helps, although it's hard to do!  Good luck :)

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Re: Still need to work through early trauma
« Reply #32 on: May 31, 2014, 09:54:35 AM »
Thanks Twoapenny.  I really appreciate your encouragement.  it makes a difference.

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Re: Still need to work through early trauma
« Reply #33 on: June 04, 2014, 02:18:42 AM »
I've made ZERO progress.  So frustrating.This is a pattern as well.  GEtting all hyped up to break through yet another layer.  going to work fully charged - hitting a wall at 90 mph.  Dead.

Facing and naming the profound shame and pulling the bandage back to view again the self-loathing underneath.

This article struck me like a Mack truck.  It writes about the office but it relates to my childhood.  It explains to me the kind of Stockholm syndrome I was entrapped by.

https://www.facebook.com/HuffingtonPost/posts/10152223060226130

Thanks for listening.

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Re: Still need to work through early trauma
« Reply #34 on: June 04, 2014, 07:12:05 AM »
Dear ((((((((((GS)))))))))))

You have tried for SO long to defeat this trauma on your own.
I wonder if it isn't one of those Alanon type of things (not necessarily
related to family alcoholism, but to similar kinds of family brokenness).

Where just admitting powerlessness, might be better than telling
yourself you, alone, will come up with yet another special "key" to
the healing?

Is it possible that giving up on fixing yourself by yourself, and offering it all up
to a higher power that is composed of a group of other sufferers,
might allow some different light in?

These short-term hopes and crashes have got to be hell on you.

I think groups like Alanon actually don't "require" that the issue be
alcholism, as long as one is ready to follow the structure and principles...
but I may be wrong about that. Someone else may know.

love
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Re: Still need to work through early trauma
« Reply #35 on: June 05, 2014, 11:43:25 AM »
Step by step.  with small deadlines, tiny bits of pressure I am able to stand right in front of the shaming shame and find that switch to flip to step into the supporting encouraging being and out of the shamed, humiliated child.  It takes so much work to connect with that child who was trained that shame and belittlement = love.  That child was emotionally abandoned from the git-go but the abandonment as a young adult was even more confusing.  It did not add up to any expectations I had been trained to have. 

Finding an image of love and acceptance has been so difficult but I am on that path now.  I owe it to myself and to my child.  Believing that I can do it is a large part of the work.  To even hold hope and desires is part of the old pattern because expressing it was opening myself up to attack.  There was no hope for help because help meant opening up for attack.  This cycle continued for my parents entire lives and as long as I was in contact with my brothers.  So now I am out of that loop.

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Re: Still need to work through early trauma
« Reply #36 on: June 05, 2014, 03:57:45 PM »
If one thing is accomplished the focus shifts to something left undone or not done up to standard.  There is never celebration.

Rejection became expected, anticipated.  This tug between longing to be acepted and embraced and the fear and expectation of being put down and belittled and rejected.  Unable to let it slough off reacting to the pain of it all generated more pain.

You always brought the pain on yourself.  You deserved it.

So hard to keep pushing through that pain.  That expectation, that sense of deserving the ridicule and rejection. 

Stepping into this pain is hard to experience.

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Re: Still need to work through early trauma
« Reply #37 on: June 05, 2014, 05:52:22 PM »
the only way out is to be able to stand in the pain and acknowledge it and move forward in spite of it.  To not repress it, supress it, avoid it, distract from it but to stand in it and keep moving forward.  This is the hardest thing I will ever do.  I don't know if I can do it but then again I have no choice. 

It has been such a long battle to get to this place and in many ways I am nowhere on this journey.

I thnk of how important the preparation for any work is.  Perhaps all the word done for the past 30+ years has been preparation and now the work will happen.  Yes.  That is where I am.  Standing in the pain, ready to move forward. 

I know I must begin to commit to meditation.  The ability to stand separate while present to the pain.

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Re: Still need to work through early trauma
« Reply #38 on: June 05, 2014, 08:38:44 PM »
Hi G.S.

First of all, welcome back!  It always gives me great pleasure to see the “old timers” return for whatever reason.  You have written such a courageous, painful thread for all to experience and connect with.

If you came to my office and described your history, this is what I would tell you—for this is what I have done with others in your situation.  There is something crucial missing in your life, and that is an attachment to a loving, caring, empathic person.  Without that attachment and the brain wiring that goes with it, all of your shame, pain, humiliation, “unlovability”, etc. will be lived over and over and over again in your life because it is the only wiring that exists.   Many would disagree with me about this, but I think producing new attachment “wiring” is more important than forcing yourself, via whatever means, to come to terms/accept/desensitize oneself to the horrible pain that you have experienced.  The reason is, speaking metaphorically, if the train travels along the healthy attachment tracks for long enough, the other set will become less and less “relevant” over time, and pain-wise, will begin to rust away.  In my practice, I have seen this happen often.  I don’t ask people to purposely relive any of their past trauma, instead I develop a relationship with her/him different than anything they’ve experienced before.  That means, of course, that my attachment to them (even when they’ve stopped seeing me) is life-long, and they become an important part of my life—just as I am in theirs.  This doesn’t mean that I prohibit them from speaking about their torturous past—it just means that they know they are doing it with another person who cares deeply about them (as some of the people here care about you).  It also means the two of us find things to laugh about together, as well as cry about together—because life often provides plenty of opportunity for both. Importantly, the people I work with know that the “therapy attachment” is two-ways.

What is critical, given that my means of healing is not technique based but human-to-human based, is that you need to find a therapist who is a wonderful human being (like sea storm!).  And someone who is willing and able to “open” their humanness to you.  Sometimes this can be very difficult to find (I never found one)—although perhaps it is easier now than in the horrifying Freudian years of my distant past.

I hope this does not come across as discouraging to you—and certainly there are other methods of “healing”, but I wanted to share what has worked in my experience.

Again, welcome back and thanks so much for opening your life again to us.

Richard

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Re: Still need to work through early trauma
« Reply #39 on: June 05, 2014, 09:18:28 PM »
to Dr. Grossman,
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There is something crucial missing in your life, and that is an attachment to a loving, caring, empathic person.  Without that attachment and the brain wiring that goes with it, all of your shame, pain, humiliation, “unlovability”, etc. will be lived over and over and over again in your life because it is the only wiring that exists.   Many would disagree with me about this, but I think producing new attachment “wiring” is more important

Wow! How wonderful to have what I did be embraced by you! I was chopping away at my life and dropping things and picking up things and in the midst of the physical struggle from March 2009, accident, Karla was introduced to my life.

I see that she has inadvertently become my "new attachment wiring", without my understanding the concept and why she has been so important to me these 5+ years. Because of parts of her life we identify more and more over more and more things, until we are excellent confidantes.

This also made me wonder if I were replacing my estranged daughter, some 38, or 30, 23 or 5 years ago, with Karla. I never really knew the exact date my daughter gave up on me, and threw me for a tailspin but I believe now that 38 years ago she suspected something was "different" about her. Through the rough years she was quite cruel but by 5 years ago, a nice respectable letter from her told me she was lesbian with a partner

I honestly cannot imagine the mindset she had in those 33 years---not understanding herself and not talking to anyone about it, but she is settled now, as am I, and now have an explanation why I am comfortable in not dwelling on her cruelty, as her life wasn't easy either.

Once again,
Thank you very much for your post and it wasn't from anything I posted because I was in a confused but not angry state. This shone a light!
Izzy
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Re: Still need to work through early trauma
« Reply #40 on: June 07, 2014, 12:08:35 PM »
Izzy:  Thanks!  I'm glad my words resonated with your experience.

G.S.:  I hope my post (above) doesn’t discourage you from posting.  Many here care about you, value you, and want you to feel less alone.  Some of us have been through the same thing.  We get it.

Richard


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Re: Still need to work through early trauma
« Reply #41 on: June 12, 2014, 11:40:04 AM »
Dr. Grossman, thank you for your post. I definitely have lacked a positive loving attachment but never thought of it in those terms. I keenly understand the ability of the brain to rewire through neuroplasticity. Your train  analogy is clear and helpful. I do have a great therapist but have not been seeing him lately because of  money issues. But your comment has me rethinking that.

I have been struggling with something that you wrote, struggling to put it in perspective. I'm working on how to articulate it.

I was quite touched that you would reach out and post a comment. Thanks again.

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Re: Still need to work through early trauma
« Reply #42 on: June 12, 2014, 02:10:26 PM »
Dr. Grossman, I love Peter Levine on trauma. I understand him to write that surviving trauma can be done by feeling empowered in spite of what happened. That sense of empowerment is particular to each person in every incident. But I also understand him to say that we can go back in memory and rewrite our experience in a way that is empowering.

 I want to neither dwell in the past nor be controlled by it. I don't think I am dwelling in the past (though that could be argued) but I am certainly controlled by it. So my strategy is to be in touch with the source of my struggles, the obstacles to my moving forward, and by being in touch, to take these debilitating, triggering experiences and rewrite them, (and thereby rewire the brain),  that's my theory and my goal.

The thing in your post that stops me short is the concept of "exposure".  Jeffry Schwartz, MD, whose writing first introduced me to neuroplasticity, was put off by exposure therapy when he was a resident. His 1st step in overcoming OCD is to identify what is functioning (the OCD or in my case the anticipatory fear), name it and acknowledge that it is not based in present reality. 

The next step for me is to go back in memory to the place where the wounding happened and then in that memory transpose it from powerlessness to an empowered reaction. I hope that with time it will get easier and the outcome will be healing.

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Re: Still need to work through early trauma
« Reply #43 on: June 12, 2014, 03:36:16 PM »
Rejection, abandonment & a gas lighting kind of sabotage .

You get what you deserve.

Learned helplessness. Achievement is punished with derision or silence. 

Not good enough drives determination but constant critism grinds it all to a halt. Praising others for the things that garner me belittle meant engenders resentment.

Avoidance - avoiding the pain. Frozen until the steel door goes down - the released to move ahead pits punishment.

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Re: Still need to work through early trauma
« Reply #44 on: June 12, 2014, 07:38:55 PM »
I have  struggled to articulate and bring into consciousness but it goes something like this - given an expectation but not enough resources to accomplish task, then belittled for failing.