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"Studies May Overstate The Benefits of Talk Therapy For Depression"
Hopalong:
Being alone is like eating rust.
Oh Sea, do you know what a poet you are?
If I could, I'd send you a gift certificate for a Poetry Writing course at your nearest pleasant educational institution.
The images and metaphors in your poems would be amazing.
And there'd be Japanese views.
Wow.
You need that impeccable, profound and lyrical voice to be heard.
SO happy to read you, always...
love to you, lots--
Hops
sea storm:
Oh huff huff huff ... just swallowing the remnants of my last rust meal. Ha Ha Ha. It is good to laugh about loneliness and how crazy the world is. Thanks for that. I mean it. I need to scorn the beast at times. So rarely is compassion offered and real listening. Dear Hops.
I think if you are lonely then things are very messed up in society. "Ah Carl, we are all caught up in the total animal soup of time"(Ginsberg)
You may be interested to know that I am writing and holding those writings mighty close to my chest. I just read the play about the bookclub by Dr. Richard. He is not holding it close to his chest. I tried to print it so I can read it again. It is hard not to slip into writing a dirge, but then I think oh write the dirge and then just edit all the fog and fire, charred bones out of it. That"s it. Just write. I have lots of writing about different times in my life. Sailing to Japan and working for the elegant and corrupt Oya, taking the Eagle up north and working with the native fishery on the Nass River, Living on an island with no electricity or phone and fishing the coast, working as a teacher therapist at a Native treatment centre on an island where I had to take a boat every day for forty minutes ( every minute counted). I definately have the spirit of just do it. All those adventures were beyond me and took all my courage, initiative, stick to it ness. The last big thing was the antique store selling Chinese and Japanese antiques. Like trying to warm a huge rock over a three year period.
These have been lonely experiences where I was desperately trying to find meaning and escape the pain I feel inside. It is amazing that I didn't escape into drugs, given ample opportunity. I have a strong Buddhist Nun in me.
Thank you for your encouragement. It is so important. Bless you.
Love
SEa
sea storm:
Boy, that really bugs me. Talk therapy not helpful. I think you were waving the red flag at the bull with that one.
I think plays are talk therapy and I loved your plays!!!!! The bookclub one is funny and disturbing. Those guys are asking for trouble with their arrogant way of treating their guest with such arrogant detachment. It is like they are out for blood because they are so bloodless and dead.
I wish the play went one for much longer. Riveting conversation.
Sea
mudpuppy:
What the guy said who did the study was;
--- Quote ---"Both talk therapy and antidepressant drugs "are efficacious," says Steven Hollon, a professor of psychology at Vanderbilt University and an author of the study, which was published Wednesday. "They're just not as efficacious as we think they are."
For each treatment, researchers found that the apparent effectiveness was inflated by publication bias. This sort of bias occurs when studies finding that a treatment works are more likely to be published than those with a negative finding."
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That's not the same as not helpful and obviously some people benefit far more than others. In fact a thread like this can be a kind of publication bias in that people who have benefited a lot from talk therapy are a lot more likely to comment on it than others.
mud
Dr. Richard Grossman:
--- Quote from: sea storm on November 19, 2015, 02:43:34 PM ---Boy, that really bugs me. Talk therapy not helpful. I think you were waving the red flag at the bull with that one.
Sea
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Hi Sea,
Actually, I posted the topic as something genuine to ponder! My two talk therapies were destructive to me. So, if I had had a talk therapy that was helpful (I didn't), the batting average of my therapists would still have been .333--pretty good for Major League Baseball, but not so great as a treatment regimen (my apologies to readers who live outside of the U.S. and Japan for the metaphor!)
Therapy outcomes, IMO, depend highly on 1) the kind of human being the therapist is, 2) the kind of human being the patient is, (e.g., not personality disordered), 3) the match between therapist and patient, 4) the nature of the presenting problem, and other variables as well. So, it doesn't surprise me that studies may overstate the benefits of talk therapy, not only for depression, but for other mental health issues as well. Concerning the thread topic, depression treatment is also complicated by the fact that there often is a significant biological/genetic component--and talk therapy may or may not be able to "re-wire" the brain sufficiently to significantly reduce suffering.
On the other hand, I also know that "talk therapy" can change lives dramatically given the right combination of the above...
Richard
P.S.
--- Quote from: sea storm on November 19, 2015, 02:43:34 PM ---
I think plays are talk therapy and I loved your plays!!!!! The bookclub one is funny and disturbing. Those guys are asking for trouble with their arrogant way of treating their guest with such arrogant detachment. It is like they are out for blood because they are so bloodless and dead.
I wish the play went one for much longer. Riveting conversation.
Sea
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Thanks! I'm so glad you loved the plays! The book club characters are so much like many of the people I met in the Harvard Medical School system. While I have some beloved exceptions, doctors and academicians have become my least favorite groups of people at this stage of my life. Writing about them is talk therapy for me, too!
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