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mudpuppy:
Christ of course abrogated those laws several thousand years ago and the only Jewish state in the world is quite hospitable to homosexuals.

Which leaves us with sharia which obtains in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Sudan, Yemen and other places and where homosexuals are routinely executed and/or flogged.
When they locate roving bands of orthodox Jews lighting up gay nightclubs and tossing homosexuals off buildings let us know.

lighter:
I'm sorry Mud.  I don't believe everyone got that memo.  There are nuts in every group.  Just look around.

There are extremist Jewish people who attack innocent gays, but they aren't all Jewish people.  Honestly, I'm betting that most of the men committing these atrocities are conflicted about their homosexuality or are gay themselves.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/6-stabbed-jerusalem-gay-pride-march-article-1.2309506

 I'm open to be swayed if it makes sense to you.  Why is it a good idea to use the label "Muslim Terrorists?"

Lighter

mudpuppy:

--- Quote ---Why is it a good idea to use the label "Muslim Terrorists?"
--- End quote ---

Because approximately 99% of the terrorists in the world are muslim.
Even worse, some of the most repressive regimes in the world are the ones who fund the terrorists and and routinely execute and flog homosexuals, religious minorities and women. They do so under the rubric of islam and sharia.

A recent poll found 51% of American muslims in favor of instituting sharia here and the percentages are higher in Europe. Europe started out with our simplistic head in the sand approach to the problem and now some Euro countries are within hailing distance of muslim majorities, if demographic trends continue.
Islam is and always has been hostile to homosexuals, women, political freedoms like free speech, freedom of religion etc. Those are its core tenets, not some sick perversion of them.
If we can't acknowledge basic facts and call a problem by the name it has historically worn how can we resist it?

Ultra orthodox Jews constitute what percent of the world's population? .00001%?
Muslims constitute ~25% and they cling to an ideology that is by its very nature expansionist. Probably most of those muslims just want to live their lives and not bother anyone. But the fact those majorities fail to rein in the radicals and in poll after poll, whether here or in the ME, demonstrate majority sympathy or acquiescence for most of the action of the radicals indicates we, the West, are facing, as we have for 1400 years, an ideology that is as aggressive, expansionist and intolerant of Western ideals like political and religious freedom as fascism and communism were/are. Let's not forget it was only Charles Martel who prevented the overrunning of Europe by the Moors from the South only a hundred years after islam was founded and it was only King Sobieski who prevented its overrunning from the east almost 1000 year later at the gates of Vienna.
 It has never reformed and has never given up. The only times it has been relatively quiescent have been when someone put their boot on its throat after being attacked.

Even the freest majority muslim nations like Indonesia, Malaysia have quite recent histories of genocides and dictators and continuing intolerance and rampant repression of non muslim minorities that we in the West would consider barbaric if they happened here.

Japan and Germany were two small countries that managed to create a colossal war over the entire globe that the rest of the world could very easily have lost. They had ~1.5% of the world population. Islam spreads and influences things much more gradually and effectively and is therefore harder to resist. But its aim is not significantly different. The only real difference is instead of calling it a Reich they call it a Caliphate.
No thanks.

mud

Hopalong:
Homophobia (internalized or not) may have played as much of a role as jihadist propaganda in the Orlando crime.

I didn't mention the vigil to bring up politics or religion, which never seem to heal these days. Rather, I was grateful for a loving gathering that seemed healing for everyone there.

It comforted me.

Hops

lighter:
I'm glad you were comforted, Hops.
Light

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