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Facebook post by Micaela (my daughter) on the day after the election

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sKePTiKal:
Well said, mud. We're on the same page (all of it).

mudpuppy:
Thanks SKePTiKaL.
Are you gonna be down at the Reichstag tonight for the big bonfire so we can get this party started? :)

Mud

sKePTiKal:
LOL... well no; I'll have to take a rain check mud. I'm digging down deep into the earth and rocks in a desperate attempt to finally become unimportant enough and invisible enough - that the maelstrom passes me by. Different strokes...

But, I'm going to pass on an idea I had, that I believe you could do a much better job with, than I could. I was thinking that it's past time to write an essay about Freedom; and what Americans traditionally believed in -- and perhaps enough of the why they believed in it, to point people in the right direction for their own reflection on it. Sort of a touch-stone to those principles that have morphed into the opposite, in the name of "reinventing the wheel" for "progress". Not a reverse evangelisizing; just a "here, read this and THINK about it" piece.

Soon, the noise-levels will be too loud for something like this to get noticed. It may already be that way. But we have to TRY.

As for politics, here... I'm going back to my old practice of never asking who someone voted for, and not talking about my vote (it used to be impolite); same with not discussing politics and religion in "mixed company". Society is trying to compel "over sharing" and it's a contributing factor in some of the insanity I'm seeing play out in public. So much of what is driving things nutz is making public the things which should be private, IMO.

It would take a long time for me to search out my old comments on duality and the realizations I had about how dualities and either/or choices are used to muster reluctant people in choosing sides and
"making war" over those limited choices when I know for a FACT that there is more than two sides, choices and ways forward. The power of "AND", for instance.

And besides, y'all are all my friends. No matter your political persuasion; that's IRRELEVANT to whether we can care about each other or not and trust each other. But that's not a message that anyone is open to hearing these days, and it'll make me roadkill in certain circles. But I can SAY THAT here, and it's OK.

And for that, I'm immensely grateful and I love y'all. Warts & all. LOL.

mudpuppy:
  IMO, this place should not be used for political discussions, period.
  With the  political rhetoric as divided and as extreme as it is virtually everywhere else, what I took to be a place for people to have a voice presents people with same choice Ns do; shut up and shut down in the face of what amounts to a personal attack or respond and become enmeshed in a bitter, rancorous, interminable fight.
  "The  personal is political" POV is a cancer on the nation expressly designed to divide and inflame people by assigning everyone an identity, whether they want it or agree with it or not, of "you're either for us or against us" personal friend or foe status. Those who disagree are no longer wrong in good faith or believe differently because they prioritize differently but in legitimate ways, they're wrong because they're ignorant hicks led astray by hucksters and pompadoured televangelists, they're greedy racists who want little black kids with big eyes and distended bellies to starve and they're evil authoritarians who long for Kristallnacht becoming a day ending in y.
  That's not only a perfect recipe for voicelessness, it's hard to see it as anything other than a calculated attempt to induce voicelessness. There are literally thousands of forums for people to shout their political voices with their thumb on the  caps lock key, but very few, perhaps only one, for those who've had their voices stolen or suppressed.

Mud

sea storm:
Mudpuppy,
You are so articulate and scathingly brilliant that I hesitate to jump in and say that you are loved. Ever since your wife died you seem to be so hurt and in such a brilliant way that it is hard to let you know that you are welcome here and even your anger is welcome here. Pretty confusing but welcome. I personally don't have enough ego strength to withstand your angry barbs but you still belong.
I think you will always win a discussion, debate or argument because you can. You can hammer the begeezus out of any point you want to make. For Pete's sake you are the Mudpuppy guy and brought us the Mudpuppy song. That is a dorky thing to say maybe.

I asked a Tibetan monk how the lamas and nuns who were tortured for years in a Chinese prison survived the experience and were not destroyed. He said that they believed that nothing was more important than their belief in being connected to a higher power, compassion and love.  When the angry man or woman offers some horrible, ugly thought the Tibetans treated it as a gift that was not suitable or welcome. So they would say , Thank you for offering me your anger, but no thank you.
I accept you and care for you but I do not want your anger. Especially not righteous anger as it makes me feel quite queasy.

So, after all that I want to say that you are welcome. And who cares what any of us think, you are welcome because you say you are welcome. Not because anyone here says you are welcome. There. I can see you standing in a bright glow of welcoming yourself and no longer walking into the arena feeling attacked and loathed. You are tremendously valuable and your voice deserves to be heard. I don't know how you got into the state of feeling shunned here or anywhere else. You just are not shunned and unwelcome. It is confusing when you talk like that. You are a tad too smart for me to fully get what you are saying when you talk politics and you get so mad.

God .... I need a cup of tea.... Bye for now

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