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Twoapenny

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What would you do?
« on: December 29, 2016, 11:54:33 AM »
Hi everyone,

I am aware I haven't updated/caught up on threads over the last few days, head is still reeling from Christmas, I think.  But a couple of things have come up re friends and I have been thinking about what I want/need in the coming year and healthy friendships came very near the top of the list.  There are a couple of situations that I find difficult at the moment and I wondered what some of you on here would do in the same situations that I am currently in?

Number 1 - a very close friend for about seven years (we talked and/or met up most days, our children were similar ages, we spent an awful lot of time together) suddenly stopped returning my calls.  This was about five or six years ago now.  We went from daily contact to no contact literally overnight.  They had moved house and she had started a new job so a change in frequency wouldn't have been unexpected but it literally ceased.  I did catch up with her on Facebook at some point and went to visit and it felt very stilted and just not the same.  Eventually I stopped calling her as I felt a bit like a stalker as she didn't return any of my calls but she carried on sending birthday and Christmas cards and presents.  About three years ago I wrote to her and explained that I had struggled as she hadn't returned my calls for so long and that was why I'd stopped phoning but that I did still want to see her and be in contact with her.  She called and left a message, I called and left her a message and again she didn't call back :)  She did carry on sending Christmas cards that always say 'get in touch, it would be great to catch up'.  I didn't respond last year as I didn't see any point (and it's been about five years now since we've actually spoken and longer than that, I think, since we've seen each other).  I've just received another Christmas card from her saying her dad died and she'd like to get in touch, but again she's left it for me to contact her when she's made no attempt to call or return my calls so again I don't feel there's any point me bothering.  Sorry, waffling on, but all I really wanted to ask was, do you think I should write again and again tell her that as she doesn't call me or return my calls then there's really nothing I can do?  Or just ignore her?  I don't want to be in contact with her any more anyway, it's been too distant for too long as far as I'm concerned and I've not got the energy for it, I'm just not sure whether to write and tell her plainly or just ignore the card.

Second question - another friend who has been a very good friend over the years but (1) I think she tells me things that aren't true (anything that's going on in my life seems to happen to her within a matter of days and it just happens too often for me to think it's coincidence.  Other times she'll tell me one version of events and when she tells me again a few weeks later it's different).  Secondly, she arranges getting together, sends endless texts, emails and phone calls re getting together, then always cancels at the last minute.  As soon as she cancels she wants to arrange the next get together and then the pattern is repeated.  Every single time.

I'm not fussed about the constant cancelling, I just assume now whatever we arrange won't happen and don't make any plans around it, but again, should I say something - at the risk of losing the friendship which is very good by phone! - or just carry on.  I don't want to lose her as she is a good friend in other ways but I find it exhausting :)  This has cropped up as two Christmas cards have just arrived in the late post :)

Just wondered what you would do in these situations?

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Re: What would you do?
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2016, 07:32:08 PM »
Oh god, they both sound exhausting.
I'm way too close to this topic but I know that unattaching and holding friendships lightly, letting them ebb and flow as they do without distress at every "ebb"--is very hard for me.

It goes back to early, painful social rejections that left a few teeth in me. Even at this age, I can feel not just exasperated but hurt by friends who are unsteady or blow hot and cold.

As to the "tease" communications (especially digital), they set my teeth on edge. I finally caught on with the one friend I've written about a good deal here. She liked to send messages about "Oh, we must get together soon" and then she'd kind of fade away. So I learned to do this:

1) "Tease" message about "getting together" or even "soon" comes in.
2) I reply--I can do next Weds at 300 or Friday at 500 or Sunday afternoon. What works for you?
3) Then if she flaked (which I told myself to expect)...just grit my teeth and wait (stifling the impulse to confront or discuss or reach back).
4) Inevitably, eventually another "tease" (or in your case, gift) would arrive..."oh we must meet up soon" or "I miss you!" etc.
5) THEN, it'd feel good to reply, "I'd like to connect but the last time you said you'd like to, I offered three times and you never responded. For me it'll work better if you contact me when you're ready to make a date to actually get together. Thanks."

If your friend #1 doesn't live in the area, it could be about making an appointment to catch up over the phone. Maybe you could treat that the very same way. "I can talk on XX at XXpm or ___ or ___...what works for you?". If your friend #2 does live in the area, could you tell her, I have noticed that you make plans with me and cancel over and over and I feel frustrated about it. I'd like to see you, but I don't like feeling so uncertain about it. If you are just too busy or your life's too complicated right now to follow through on a plan, I understand. But it'd be better for me not to make dates with you because I find I'm feeling taken for granted. I don't want to feel that way so let's not make plans together unless you're sure you will commit.

Those are really clunky "scripts" but the sense I get is that when friends don't follow up you do feel hurt, and taken for granted, and as though you're uncared for. That may or may not be true but I'm triggered in the very same way. I think clear communicating about it is likely the only good answer.

Sorry this was so uncoordinated.

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Re: What would you do?
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2016, 04:12:15 AM »
Hopsie, that did make me laugh, they are both exhausting!  And no, not uncoordinated at all, makes perfect sense to me.  I think this is one of the areas where I don't completely trust my own judgement, because my friendships mean an awful lot to me and it does hurt me terribly when people vanish from my life without a backward glance.  I find it difficult to know whether I'm being unreasonable or over-reacting so it's always helpful to hear from other people and see what they think.

I will take your advice.  Friend no 1 I don't consider a friend any more and haven't for a long time; I don't understand why she keeps sending an annual request to get together but leaves it for me to arrange (she could just pick the phone up herself, it's what I would do).  Plus I have explained the situation from my perspective to her before and I think when you do that it's a case of either things need to change or this isn't going to happen and in this case nothing changed.  So I'm going to write to her and be honest, tell her how much I valued her friendship and how hurt I've been that she's gone from my life but that my life has moved on now so I'd rather she didn't get in touch with me again.  I think the thing that keeps going round in my mind is that we do know a few of the same people so there is a chance we might both be at 'something' some time, and I think I'd prefer to have said my bit prior to that happening rather than being caught on the spot.  I think a letter to her and then friend number 2 I will just say to call me on the day she knows she's free and arrange something spur of the moment.  She blows incredibly hot and cold and when she's hot my phone literally melts; endless texts and if I don't reply she sends another, then an email, then a text to tell me she sent the email, then she'll ring.  Too much for me to cope with.

Anyway, thank you for being the voice of reason at this crazy time :) x

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Re: What would you do?
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2016, 09:17:31 AM »
Well, Tupps. I think you can do what you want... and nothing "bad" will happen... and if your former friends feel hurt or confused (after all this explanation) that really isn't your problem or responsibility. You gave them a chance to kind of even up the relationship, right? I don't think they'll be upset long about it, though.

I find my "inner circle" of real trusted friends is really small. Those are the people that I'm loyal to, come hell or high water. Out from there, are those I enjoy spending time with and can sometimes count on. And then, there are the ones that I really only enjoy in small doses, occasionally, when I'm in a certain frame of mind. LOL.

But I've also noticed that "just hanging out & talking" - that activity - is something I reserve now to that inner circle. When we were all giddy girls we did a lot of this and that's what friendship was. But NOW, I find it's more about doing other activities together and helping each other out. The "cocktail party" is the equivalent, for me, of just hanging out... and I don't enjoy it at all because many of those people are strangers. I don't get to talk to the people I want to talk to... and end up talking to ones that I might not even know their names. Even when the kids come - we have things to do or we play board/card games together... and there might be some just hanging out/sharing time in between, during or in odd moments but the relationship isn't make/break on that "intense sharing" aspect of it.

I'm really trying to figure this out too. I guess we need to just make up our own rules??

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Re: What would you do?
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2016, 01:53:03 PM »
Nobody EVER calls me the voice of reason.
I thought my specialties were metaphor, id, and faffing about.

Over the top pleased.
Stomping around with chest puffed out.
Reminding my dog of how very logical and reliable I am.
Praising my inner librarian (ahem, gene courtesy of Nmother).

Tra la la!
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Re: What would you do?
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2016, 01:30:43 PM »
PS, Tupp--Do you think the desire to tell friend #1 you prefer not to be contacted again is because of vulnerability? Here's a long-winded (and likely repetitive) story that might illustrate why I relate to what you're working through about friends.

For me, it was a combination of things:
--Friend A. proclaimed I was her sister at one point when she needed a great deal of support (with an abusive older brother and no friends as a child, my serious yearning for a sister was enormous)
--She lives under two miles from me
--She is retired so her time is her own
--Nine out of 10 times, she sends me "teases" about missing me and how we "must" get together--but very seldom follows through. (This is changing in the last year or two, when I've come to understand she is comfortable doing structured group things and warmly includes me in those now and then...but just no longer values the intensely introspective talk sessions she used to seek me out for. Or, rarely does.)

Because of my early rejections (bullying from girls until young adulthood), the pattern was not just mildly annoying for me--as it might be to someone without my history--but profoundly painful. I am now completely clear that her emails suggesting get-togethers that never happen have no intentional significance or consequence to her and are not intended to convey hurt (in fact, I am sure she's thinking of me affectionately when she writes them). But to me, with my particular history and vulnerability, it was just crazy-making. (Why express how much you miss seeing me and make no effort to see me? You're retired, fit, near, your time is your own...etc. blah blah. I just couldn't understand--or accept--it. It truly hurt.)

I worked on it intentionally, and with relief, got to the point where I could continue to love and enjoy her (the closeness was diminished but still real) while also expecting no consistent interest or availability. So I actually don't experience much hurt any more, even when she does just the same thing. (I now respond as I described--love to see you too, here are times I can do it, when do you want to meet?). She will contact me every time she is in crisis (particularly with her Nmother), but doesn't have/make time to share as a "regular" friend. I so imagined (expected, wished, wanted to Require) that friendship meant being asked how I was doing, given a phone call now and then (she hates phones and I hate texting--impasse). BUT...over time I found new friends who DO value regular contact and communication and visits--checking in and staying on radar and asking after each other. So I am getting my needs met and didn't need to discard a friend. (I also recognize that it's more superficial and less reciprocal and that's what it is, and it's on me to decide how or how much I want to engage.)

There are plenty of strong independent people in this world who are NOT sensitive in this way. I have gotten more comfortable knowing that I am vulnerable in this area and no longer loathe myself for it. It finally dawned on me--why should I? I live in an independent-cowboy culture but in addition to sensitive, I'm also loving, loyal and supportive. I am not undeserving of friendship--and I do have quite a few friends, and a handful quite close. (As Skep says, that's plenty). It's making a lot more sense to me in my dotage that sets of people (any two) have to find a balance that works well enough to sustain their connection. There are plenty of connections that can work if I remain open to forming new bonds and taking the risk of trying. I really don't need to agonize over those combinations that can't work as well--but release in peace. And toxic ones I can skedaddle from.

This doesn't insulate me against hurt, loss or disappointment. I'll still experience and risk those, just continuing to live in the human tribe. But I am getting better at not being so reactive to others' responses, or dependent on them to know my own worth or find my peace and get my needs met. (And, I also often figure it out much later. That's okay too. Depends on the person and how aware I am of how it's working, or not.)

Long story shorter, I'm getting wiser about my own reflexes and less alarmed by others', so I feel more relaxed about people in general. It'll work well sometimes and not other times and that's natural and not a measure of anything except...how life actually takes place (instead of dream life, idealized life). It's real life, and I can deal with it.

Since I finally (took a couple years) got rid of my last expectations and projections about A. -- our relationship is more superficial but also still very pleasant. Not everybody can or wants to maintain emotional intimacy, and I believe that's part of the issue. When we first bonded it was a very intense connection between two daughters of severe Nmothers who'd never before had someone understand them with such direct recognition. And in hindsight, when her Nmother moved to town, that's when everything changed. Perhaps seeing me often, and knowing I'd always respond directly about what she was describing, was too triggering for her or put her on emotional overload. I can certainly imagine that. And without spite, I can say I also see her as a little N-ish herself. (I've got my Nspots too.)

So anyway, that's how it went. I'm happy she's still in my life...because I've come to believe that she did not intend to hurt me. My hurt arose from my own bruises and my own responses to her inconsistency. I was confused, sad, and re-experiencing childhood rejections that had nothing to do with her. I also feel stronger because my extraversion is working well (she's an introvert). I have found several new friends in recent years who make it more recognizable that they do value me--and their personalities make it easy for them to seek out my company, time, talk and sharing. So I'm no longer looking for my imaginary "sister" but am accepting that "spreading it (my need for support) around" is a far healthier approach for me. I really no longer yearn for intensely involved close connections with just one or two people. I like the fact that a handful support me closely. It's not just enough, it's an abundance.

Nobody, including me, can revise my childhood. But the more I step into a more confident sense of my adult self (is 66 too late?  :lol:) and let my childhood become actual and different past...the more free, flexible, and less desperate I feel.

Tupp, look at what you have done. You are STRONG (not impervious to need, but strong from surviving so much). You are LOVING (to your son). You are SMART (very). You are CREATIVE (half gypsy, half artist). You are AWARE (always learning, observing yourself and the world). You are BRAVE (you face challenges and keep on getting up when you feel knocked down).

This woman can declare her limits: with inconsistent friends, with new people, with old people, with medical people. And once you declare and delight in feeling calm and comfortable knowing your own limits...you can change and be flexible and negotiate new paths. Some paths might lead to accepting another's inability to be there for you as you'd prefer, or lead away from that person entirely. Either is good if it strengthens you.

What I learned from my experience excavating how painful that friendship once was, was that I now feel less brittle, less terrified, and more flexible than I could be during those years when rejection (or my interpretation of another's silence as rejection) could send me into a cascade of hurt.

It ain't perfect and I can and will backslide, but it's amazing to realize that growth really doesn't ever stop. I am okay if I accept, accept, accept...but without become bitter or withdrawn or giving up on people or community. THAT, not "rejection", is the real danger. Forming some new belief about people that's too negative, cynical or fearful. I know I can feel hurt if I attach too intensely or judge myself by what other people do/think/say. My feeling hurt doesn't equal their intent (unless they're cruel, Ns, or bullies). If I detect THAT kind of intent, I don't want to be in their orbit anyway.

A very long ramble (iow, another "sermon to self") I thank you for reading!

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Re: What would you do?
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2016, 02:37:12 PM »
It all makes sense, Hopsie and yes, most of it rings true as well.

The vulnerability is definitely an issue as is my trigger of feeling I've been used to meet someone else's emotional need (which obviously stems from childhood and has made me very sensitive to people who have a lot of time for me when they need something but close down when they don't).

I think the issue I have in another way is a lack of time and energy.  I put about 99.5% of everything I've got into my boy and into dealing with my day to day issues of anxiety, not feeling good enough, feeling lonely and so on.  I've pretty much accepted now that I have to put time and effort into dealing with my 'stuff'; it's part of me and I suppose in the way someone with diabetes will have to take insulin those of us with emotional/self esteem issues will have to find ways to manage that day to day (and I've got some things I want to work on this year that I will put into another thread :) ).  I'm also aware that I have co-dependency/need to please/need to be liked issues that some people trigger more than others and I'm trying to work on those as well.

So the situation with Friend B is similar to the one you describe and I'm kind of at the same place that you are with your friend.  When she's 'on' she's a good friend, she's good fun, I enjoy her time and her company whether it's face to face or on the phone.  We spoke on the phone today and it was lovely; we've spoken quite a bit over Christmas and it's been really nice.  She will vanish again at some point because that's what she does but I'm kind of alright with that, I was more in a pickle with whether I should be upfront about the situation or just get on with it.

Friend A is a bit different; it's been so long since we've seen or spoken to each other that I don't think of her as a friend.  I was enormously hurt when she vanished the way that she did and she feels a bit like an ex boyfriend now, in the sense that I've got ex boyfriends that I'm 'over' but I don't want to hear from them or meet up with them.  I think she falls into that category more than a friendship I want to hang on to (because I feel it died a long time ago anyway).

I could say nothing; I only received her card because I've had my mail redirected since we moved so next year nothing she sends will get to me anyway.  Again it was more me thinking whether I should speak my mind and be direct or if I should just leave it knowing she can't contact me again, if that makes sense?  One of my intentions for next year is to speak up more so I think she might fall into that category.

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Re: What would you do?
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2016, 03:33:10 PM »
Person A: Call me.

Person B: No. You call me.

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Re: What would you do?
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2016, 08:37:56 PM »
Claro and bravo, Tupp.

It'll be good to hear what you finally decide about Person A. Ghosting her makes sense to me,
as if you write her how you feel, that's being vulnerable to someone who's been pretty careless, imo.
However, if writing her feels right to you, or you want the assertiveness practice, why not?
Sounds like there's nothing to lose there either way.

And once the holiday connectivity passes, you sound ready to accept an "ebb" from Person B.

I'm very impressed.

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Re: What would you do?
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2017, 04:32:38 AM »
Thanks, Hops :) 

I've been thinking about this some more over the last few days and trying to work out why some options seem better than others (do I want to hurt them the way they've hurt me?  Do I want to annoy them and upset their plans the way they do me?  Am I being assertive or passive aggressive?).  And so on.

I received a text from someone I know this morning who heard my son has been ill over Christmas and she's got in touch to ask how we are and offer to help.  It made me think.  This is a kind gesture from someone who can see our situation is tough (and I moan a lot about people not noticing!).  But my reaction to the text was negative and the more I thought about it the more I realised that, although this woman is offering to do something nice and has never been unpleasant or unkind to me (or to anyone else I know), I don't like her.  No reflection on her as a person, she's just not my cup of tea.  I find her draining, I don't enjoy being around her (she knows some people I know which is how I've spent time with her in the past) and if I'm honest if I saw her in town I'd try and go a different way before she spotted me.

I feel mean and unkind saying that but it is how I feel.  And that's made me think more about other friendships and relationships in my life.  I think one of the problems is just literally a lack of time; I just don't have the time or the energy to maintain lots of different types of relationships with lots of different types of people (and their assorted problems/personality traits/mad behaviour or whatever it might be).  Skep, I think you said in one of your posts that you have a small group of really good friends and they're the ones you focus your time on (or words to that effect).  And I think that's possibly a point I'm at now.  There are people I know who are good, solid, dependable.  They like talking on the phone (the same as I do).  They ring with good news, they ring with bad.  They make time for me (and I for them).  They remember birthdays, anniversaries, they ring to find out who certain things went.  And I think I'm at the point where I want to focus my time on these people that I know are good for me.  It doesn't mean I'm closed off to new friendships or relationships but I suppose it's a bit like pruning your wardrobe down to those outfits that you know work and giving away the tops that don't quite go with anything else and the trousers that are a bit too tight now and those shoes that make your feet ache after a couple of hours.

I've thought more about friend A because I've felt incredibly angry about my situation with her at times over the years and I've often wondered why I've found it especially hard to let go of that and just put it behind me.  The more I've thought about it over the weekend, the more I've realised that my friendship with her is one I sort of fell into because it was easy.  We were in similar situations so it was easy to spend time together; I was a lonely single mum so having a best buddy meant I didn't have to deal with my other reasons for loneliness or risk being rejected by other people.  Perhaps I used her?  That's a bit of a sobering thought; it wouldn't have been intentional but perhaps my taking up with people who were easy to take up with was me using them rather than the other way around?  I don't know but it has given me more to ponder on.  Perhaps I should reconnect with her and see if we get on now as the different people we both are (in the sense that we're different to the people we were when we first met)?

Still pondering.  Just putting thoughts down on the screen as they pop into me head.  Thank you for reading :) x

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« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2017, 11:19:10 AM »
I like that idea. Admire your introspection, Tupp.

About using and/or being used.
I wonder if you could flip that to pondering reciprocity?
If it's about using or being used, there is no good place to go.

Every relationship involves figuring out whether it includes enough reciprocity.
Enough to work for that individual. (The 80-20, 50-50, 70-30 magical percentage thing
that we are aware of in our minds but don't usually talk about with the other, doesn't
matter. It just needs to be enough for that individual.) Clearly, it hasn't worked with Fr. A.

As I get older it's easier for me to spot my "needy" stuff-- I no longer beat myself up for it.
I talk to myself rationally about why I need people and drain the shaming out of the word.
I need food, shelter AND humans. Can't always have that need met instantly but
it's steady and I respect it, and respect my fairly consistent actions that acknowlege it.

I have read so much research and reporting about the terrible, actual effects of
isolation and loneliness on ANYONE (we didn't invent it). Medical effects. Cognition effects.
Rapid aging, disease susceptibility, earlier death. It's no joke that we need community and
connection, it's rational, biological, real. It is natural to need and want it and seek it out.

So if I start scolding myself when I feel loneliness (as though it's a failing) I quash that
pretty fast these days. It is NOT a character flaw to need human connections. If it
feels awkward at first building new ones...the answer is practice. Only practice. Reach
and keep reaching, build a circle. (Yours may be complete but if/when it has room.)

Friend A -- you did say you were "enormously hurt/incredibly angry." So, my reaction
is wondering if it's worth the experiment to reconnect with her? She wasn't able
to care or be consistent enough with you before.... But while I'm opining, I'd add
that I see nothing shallow or wrong at all with "falling into friendship" because someone
appears easily in your life. That's just grace. It's more about hearts being receptive
and ready to connect, timing, and enough compatibility to make it possible, imo. You can't know
until you spend a little time and repetition to find out. And then if it's not there (like with the
kind person who texted you) you can lightly let it go. (Sez preacher to self. Over and over.)

If there's no will or motivation on her side to do actions to maintain friendship though, maybe
you're trying to re-let go of something that's already gone. Just-moved and child-crisis
loneliness would also be very tough were I in your shoes. (The psyche's irrational distress
about moving, even when it's a positive move...takes time, a season for that to settle.)

BTW, I found your angry reaction (or negative, unclear what that was) to the kind text the most
interesting thing you mentioned. Is the wonderful T you were seeing still within reach? You and
she would probably get to the bottom of this in an hour.

One top of old stuff, the real and present stuff you've been through is enormous. A move.
The relentless holidays. Your boy's seizures. That is a LOT. Maybe you're focusing on feeling
sour toward various people because you're still pretty exhausted and feeling fragile from all this.

Who wouldn't?

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Hops

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Re: What would you do?
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2017, 08:42:09 PM »
Hi Tupp:

I read this thread, and wanted to say that friend B sounds like someone you could let go of, and not miss.  Peace, serenity, fellowship and comfort don't include needy friends who have to trump your troubles with false drama, IME. 

Friend A..... sounds like there's some unfinished business.  I get that.

You've received great advice from Hops and Amber, so I'll just put in my two cents very briefly.

If you can safely express your authentic feelings to friend A, and accept her response without expectation,  maybe ask her why she physically withdrew from the relationship without blame.   I think you'll get the information you need to make peace, one way or the other, IME. 

(((Tupp)))

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Re: What would you do?
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2017, 12:17:10 AM »
I just looked back and was amazed how long-winded my posts were the last day or so.

Asked myself....hmm, what's different?

I hadn't taken my ADD med much since I stopped the job (don't need it if I don't have
something sort of official I have to focus on). But the last couple days I did.

Hoo boy, that-thar stimulant. Made me laugh.

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Re: What would you do?
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2017, 11:14:31 AM »
That's interesting, Hops, I'd always assumed ADD meds calmed people down, does it make you focus better? Not something I know much about but whichever way it's going at the minute I hope all is good :)

Thank you for all the thoughts and comments/suggestions.  I've been thinking about all of this some more and keep coming back to asking myself why friends/people are such a big deal to me?  I spend an inordinate amount of time thinking, analysing, justifying and engaging in friendships (or with people hoping they will become friends).  I feel quite shocking a the minute; completely exhausted, my nerves are jangling, the thought of cooking a healthy meal makes me want to lie on the sofa with a packet of biscuits.  I'm over weight, unfit, I spend most of my time doing 'work' tasks (ie things that need doing that I don't particularly want to do) and feel like an invisible being.  And so I'm starting to wonder if this year I should work at falling in love with myself.  I know that sounds naff but I'm wondering if, instead of thinking about other people constantly, I should focus on looking after myself and making myself feel better and just enjoy the people that naturally fall into that rather than worrying about what everyone else is doing?

I will keep thinking and let you know what I come up with :)

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Re: What would you do?
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2017, 09:37:39 PM »
(((((Tupp)))))) Yes, you should, imo.

Your "I wonder if I should ____" questions often describe such a positive, sound, life-enhancing stance. Such as self-love. I think you do know what the answer is, and just express it tentatively as though you need permission. You do, actually....but only your own.

It's tempting to come up with periodic new rules or strategies that will protect us against all further hurts. Self-isolating is often a result. Permeable and flexible boundaries are different. Easy to say, long practice to learn.

Be kind to yourself. And probably, from what you're describing...maybe meditate? One thing I've learned from this class is to view my thoughts with more detachment. Kind of like a busy, static-ky thing. I don't crave complete disregard of my thoughts and wouldn't make a very skilled Buddhist...but I did experience how if I'm ruminating/obsessing, meditation interrupts that cycle in a very peaceful way.

Sending support,
Hops
"That'll do, pig, that'll do."