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Hopalong

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« Reply #285 on: April 23, 2018, 10:45:52 PM »
Weekend was great!
First night we spent with the publisher of my first book (poetry) in her family's huge old place near my university...she was (at nearly 80) her enchanting self, and the whole time was magical. I was so moved to be with her again. Major mentor in my writing life, and one of the most generous souls I've ever known. She never met a writer she didn't encourage, and her support buoyed me in a permanent way. I adore her. And she was smitten with B (has always adored men). Kept muttering things to me about him, like (my fav), "Staggeringly handsome!". Cracked me up.

B was dear and solicitous of her and lovely to all my friends, as usual.

Funny thing happened. On the way to the restaurant to me a couple I hold very dear and hadn't seen for 15 years, we passed the fabulous art museum (used to live across the way and spent many hours in rapt poet-spaced-out joy there) and I actually choked up just at the sight of that building. Then when I saw my long-lost gf at the restaurant (mother of my own D's best friend and aware of much that's happened, seeing her own Ds photo laid me out again) I hugged her and just started crying. Had to go to the loo to compose myself. Finally blurted out to her, "This was the last place I was truly happy." It was bittersweet but so lovely, beyond lovely, to be in that place and with those dear people again. Her hubby picked up the tab for all five of us, which shocked me. Warn't cheap!

B had wild boar. He was a bit stunned at the surroundings I think. Sophisticated in a way your average high-end golf club isn't! I took two huge hanging baskets (petunias, a cool hybrid blue stripey one). One for my publisher, which she reacted to like a new adopted baby, even given that she has a sun porch jammed with plants...and one for B's friends.

Next day we went to the shore to stay with them for two nights -- a verrry eccentric couple. She a glass artist and he a fine carpenter. Huge rambling house that was a wing added, then another wing...etc. It was jammed with objects and art and sculptures to the point of claustrophobia (and don't get me, or my lungs, going on the dust...). But we had a sort of upstairs apartment to ourselves in the last wing and it was fine. They were kind and welcoming and lively and she cooked something fierce. I was touched and happy to connect so well with them. She and I hopped into her convertible and went into the little village where her art is part of a store's display. It was just fun. I picked up on some martial tension with them and hope they can resolve it, as folks like that don't come around every day.

She shared a few stories about B and his wife (for whom she had a lot of sympathy...controlling was the issue B's wife wrestled with too). She also said how much they cared for B and how delighted they were with me, so that was mighty sweet. I'm sure if I stay with B we'll be friends too.

We went to look at B's old place, which was unoccupied. Beautiful stone house right on the river, and B felt melancholy about how his painstaking landscaping had been either undone or neglected by the next owner. I was glad to be on the spot of such a big chapter in his life and it clearly meant a lot to him to tour me around and show me so much of it. Lovely area, remote, wooded, lovely homes, etc.

On the way home we yakked it up and he surprised me by asking some questions about Aspergers, and said he thought (or had heard a T say, I don't recall) that he might be somewhat that way. That made a lot of sense to me. I asked kindly, "Do you think you sometimes miss some social cues?" and he said, Yes, I think so. That touched me and made me less impatient (internally) with his incredibly laborious storytelling. I talk and think at lightning speed and he tells a story with such slow deliberation that it tests me a lot. And this tidbit made me soften, find compassion and patience. So I'm glad we had such a long stretch of road time that it allowed that to come out.

All in all a very good experience that left me feeling more hopeful. B started telling me how much he'd like to return to the UK (he was there as an Air Force cadet) and it wasn't hard to fantasize being on a trip like that....

Thanks for asking!

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Hops
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« Reply #286 on: April 24, 2018, 06:56:14 AM »
That sounds really nice, Hops, it sounds like a great weekend and so glad to read that you were able to reconnect with some good friends and people you hadn't seen for a long time (and meet some new people, too!).  It sounds lovely, I'm glad it all went well for you both xx

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« Reply #287 on: April 24, 2018, 09:47:00 AM »
Well OK then!  LOL.

Both of you revisiting past lives and sharing with each other in a way that brought it to life. The inquiry and curiosity about Aspergers. All good signs of a real connection. Lots of high-functioning Aspies have had to learn about social functioning... and it always looks a little awkward; gawky. What people don't often "get" is that the degree of aspie-ness can be so very minor that it's unnoticable in some people. Looks like controlling and OCD-ness, sometimes.

Put those people into a stress situation - particularly socially - and kaabamm - it flares up. Or strong emotion is another one. It's POSSIBLE, that this might've been behind the uncomfortable car making out situation. He was so carried away with what he was feeling - he wasn't picking up your reticence - because the feeling flooded him and blotted out sensibility to everything else.

But then, I see "aspie" as huge continuum; a "tendency" rather than a condition that is all cut & dried definable. Kind of like sense of humor. Some people are just naturally funny... others of us can "be in the mood"... or have to work at it. This babbling, is trying to say, that I think all people can exhibit aspie "symptoms" at various times in specific situations.

I'll shut up now. That's close enough I think you'll understand what I'm trying to say.
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« Reply #288 on: April 24, 2018, 12:56:51 PM »
Well, Hops... I cried through the meeting you had with the other mother at the restaurant. 

So very touching, and poignant to go back to places and people.... we enjoyed happier times.

I'm glad you connected with friends and loved ones on that trip. 

It sounds like you had a wonderful adventure.

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« Reply #289 on: May 02, 2018, 09:39:18 AM »
Thanks, guys.
It was so good to be able to come here and share the whole tale.

Been some ups and downs since but I'm hanging in.
We've been to the counselor 3 times and he's not bad, we'll decide in the next 2 weeks whether to stick with him. (He flogged his book at us pretty hard, two in fact, and wasn't very straight about it. But the info has been useful. I think B is responding. Sometimes it hits me that I'm sitting there with two tall, successful males, and wonder how well they'll be able to understand my experience.)

We did get some deeper clarity this time, and stayed connected. When we work at it (and oh work we will have to) we treat each other respectfully, are open, and that's touching. B's biggest irritation is lack of intimacy. I get it, I know it's not the current model. But I explained to them I have baggage around rushing in and that just like in past generations, I will give myself a slow courtship or be at peace with none. He backed off, said later "I don't know why I think about sex so much." I get it, I told him, it's natural. We're just coming at it from different places....

My biggest irritation is his compulsive planning, but the session yesterday got me to realize that sometimes I interpret things B says as controlling (and they are) and other times similar things he's saying are an attempt to be considerate or helpful. I react like a porcupine to his "suggestions" because they feel paternalistic. For example, he said, I don't think I should bring up a heavy issue in therapy without warning Hops about it first. I said, please, blindside away. You don't need to protect me from whatever is true, just please speak. The prickly part was "you don't need to protect me." It turned out he just wanted to say to the counselor, what evidence do I have that this will all work out, or that our issues will get better? Easy. Counselor said, none.

I have a hard time relaxing into B's "protection" because it morphs so easily into controlling. But he does own that.

Another issue I feel guilty for describing. I need to ask myself how capable I am of being patient. B is soooooooooooooooo slow at times. (I actually read that one wee trait of some people who are Aspie-ish is walking slowly! I've noticed that repeatedly with B. The man plays raquetball, but walking with him feels like we're on the Gallapagos.) But the killer (for me, writer me) is his story telling. He includes EVERY he said, then I said, then the person walked into the room, and he sat down, and he said to the other person...............

A private guilty screeeeeeeeeeeeem builds up in my head. Instead I breathe and remind myself that B is teaching me patience and that compassion is my biggest value. Fail.

More later, just a glimpse of what I'm chewing on.

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« Reply #290 on: May 02, 2018, 12:32:35 PM »
And there it is. Trust issues. Yours and his... coming at it differently.

Or maybe I'm seeing it through my own lens here; dealing with the subject on many levels right now.
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« Reply #291 on: May 02, 2018, 04:00:34 PM »
AAAAAHHH I had a conversation this morning with someone who spent all the time we had on the phone REPEATING things I already knew.  Then defending what he said... every darned word he said, but failing to SAY what the other person said, which was something I didn't know. 

And then we were out of time, and I was short and snippy when I cut him off..... "Im not listening anymore, I have 3 things to do before I walk the kids out the door to school."

And he hung up on me.

For me, I'd prefer if he could just get to the point.  I fired X, bc of Y and Z.  My plan going forward is to hire F and J, but it's not clear who will be doing what, or how much it will cost.  I'll keep you updated. 

DONE.

MY face is pressed up to the glass on this issue right now.  I can only empathize, and say YES..... this does teach patience.  I struggle with knowing everyone is doing their very best, and remembering my own imperfections..... I want consideration and patience, right?  Yup.

::sigh::.

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« Reply #292 on: May 04, 2018, 09:15:58 AM »
I hear y'all.
The Aspieness does feel like OCD + controlling.
Hard part is separating out the big bossy paternalism.
He feels a compulsion to "approve" or "disapprove" which is triggering.
If it were just plain "this is how I see it" stuff it'd be easier but he couches it in judgement. Aaagghh.

There's a kind of sweet Boy Scout inside the Runaway Executive.
Easy to love the scout, not easy to love the exec.
His sense of being the authority on everything is irritating.
At the same time, he's lovely to everyone we meet together.

Except maybe for restaurants. If he's not served Just Right, although he stays courteous, I can see his irritation build. He's got a LOT of issues about food...I think it's almost where all his buried stuff plays out. He does not eat well for a person with diabetes. Fast food on the trip and two milkshakes in one day....grossed me out.

But. For some reason at the moment I'm feeling more optimistic. I think it's because of the depth we go to when we have our Working Talks (calling them that instead of hard talks, though they are hard).

Tiny thing, y'all can advise. Looking at a menu, he instantly starts suggesting things I can eat. (Since I don't eat meat.) I know he thinks he's helping. I think he's managing. My inner response is irritation. I can read. I can choose my own food. I have been doing this for many years. Kindly pick your own dinner and don't "instruct" me about what's righth in front of my face. (No, I don't say it. But the irritation's real and I dunno....dunno....)

Rambling and that's all for now, gotta dash.

Love you guys,
Hops
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« Reply #293 on: May 04, 2018, 01:29:53 PM »
The menu thing is one of those "irritations" that always exist between couples Hops. Mike's was when I asked him what he felt like eating - I dunno, what do you want? "I asked you FIRST. What do you want me to cook?" And back & forth it went. LOL.

So you can see he's trying to be helpful. People DO do that. I wonder if you could retrain your reaction some? It might help to respond: "ummmm hmmm... I'm looking and will figure it out in a minute." That will give him a definite "cue" that you don't need help... and maybe stop it being more of irritating thing, other than just "meal chit-chat". He might NEED the cue to know that this is "fair warning" that you don't need him to role-play parent about your food.

A lot of things that irritate the crap out of us by our male partners are seen by us as being something they are not really being, when those things are associated with something way past irritating in our pasts. It's almost impossible for them to understand and accept that being "triggered" is a real thing. So, maybe the word "sensitive" will get through... maybe. To guys, stuff that happened to us ages ago, shouldn't still be a problem for us NOW... because they're not that person; it was a long time ago; we should be "over it" by now. Because that kind of thing is EASIER for them. (And maybe it's not really; but they tell themselves that.)

You could also just tell him, you have some unpredictable "food aggression" when people try to tell you what to eat. LOL.
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« Reply #294 on: May 04, 2018, 10:45:30 PM »
Oooo! I like this "unpredictable food aggression" idea!
Hmmm, what?

Leaping over the tablecloth and spearing his asparagus?
Making a sailboat out of my napkin and a butterknife and jumping on the table to say AAAARRRRRR like a pirate?
Blowing pinot noir out my nose?

I could distract myself with these fantasies....

And of course you're right. The mild response that doesn't take him up on his how-to-explain-a-menu-to-a-kindergartener offers.... Poifect. I shall.

We just had a very nice evening. Met friends at 4 on the amazing happy-place covered-with-cafes-and-musicians mall for drinks and dinner, and another close friend he hadn't met yet happened to call, and she was so near downtown I insisted she "stop talking and come right down here!" So he got to meet her and that made me very happy. She's a bit of a recluse because she was married to someone very famous and has social bruises leftover. Yet she came, they got along great and it was a good feeling.

Then B came back to my place and trimmed my redbud and we sat on my little uphill-corner extra patio-ish spot and just stared at my huge tree and a big set of clouds, enjoyed the peace. It's rough and ungardened and kinda embarrassing but my yard still has its loveliness. So peaceful and yet right in town. We even talked about potential additions to the house (ignoring possible implications) and that was fun too. He came in to watch a couple more episodes of Longmire, which I've hooked him on, and I pretended his moustache does not feel like a porcupine cheese grater combo, and so it went. Nice evening.

Happy spring (or where I am, the 5 minutes of spring before it becomes hot muggy summer). I felt SUCH ridiculous joy over the shrubs...I think because after a couple shrubs and veggie beds (well, the nice patio too) I didn't do anything more. Just felt burned out emotionally and withdrew from the dirt and the planting which actually makes me very very happy. Reconnected!

Gonna buy plants tomorrow and plant a few veggies and some flowers in pots. It'll do nicely. No B tomorrow as he's doing family stuff so I'll have the whole day to putter. Made laundry detergent tonight from my frugality recipe and sent him home with some to try. He called me "frontier woman."

xxoo
Hops
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« Reply #295 on: May 05, 2018, 10:48:02 AM »
LOL... "frontier woman".... I can imagine he'd be a little afraid of me then.
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« Reply #296 on: May 06, 2018, 08:13:23 PM »
Unspeakably terrified, is my guess.....

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« Reply #297 on: May 07, 2018, 07:31:37 AM »
::waving::

Hi Hope.  I'm glad you're feeling better about the B.  My one comment on the restaurant ordering .. just tell him you've got your own order.  He's very kind to offer advice, but he may focus on his own with gusto.

I f he continues, maybe tell him you feel a bit like a kindy Gartner.....use humor, but make your point perhaps?

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« Reply #298 on: May 07, 2018, 10:13:49 AM »
IMO, the best thing about trying to use humor, is that it defuses OUR reactions, that are referencing old wounds from a different time/place and people. Therefore avoiding a problem in the first place.

It's a truly difficult thing to deal with. We can only practice at it, I think. Stress, new emotional pain, fear, and simply being tired contribute to a lack of ability to practice. Yes I know, we're are who we are because of what we've been through. But other people are exactly the same. And if we let ourselves get triggered by new people, in new circumstances... exactly as we did in the past under different conditions... well, it's deja vu time and we get to relive the same emotional indigestion.

I continue to work on this a lot. I see Hol trying to, as well. Hopsie is surely doing the same. When it works to keep us from reliving the old reaction - that's as perfect as it gets. It's kinda like an on/off switch.
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« Reply #299 on: May 07, 2018, 12:28:02 PM »
I do enjoy fantasizing about if not pirate on tablecloth...maybe other fun rejoinders?

Got one!

Dear ole B starts explaining me the menu, like a helpful boyfriend does....so I say, Oh, if only I could read....

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