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Re: Meandering
« Reply #120 on: July 24, 2019, 04:38:11 PM »
Heyo Lighter, the therapist you found sounds great. Now I have to read about PAT haha. (smile)  the Top does have it's limits, it's only one tool I guess.

 

A therapist might be helpful maybe at some point I will.


Garbonzo:

Yes, there are many different resources we may avail ourselves to.   The TOP, or higher thinking is a great too, but we don't always have access, do we?

Sometimes the stress is so high I NEED to push on walls, walk in cross crawl reverse circles but DO DO DO, bc the energy my body is shooting up through my chest, and out through my limbs... that energy is there to save me, fight, flee, get me through a life or death situation that's no longer happening to me.  Thinking about it fools my body into believing it's real, hence, the chemical dump.
When the amygdala's activated, our access to higher thinking shuts down in less than a second, before we notice it, and our biology's been hijacked.  There's no thinking our way out of that, though we try and try.  At least I do. 

The past is just a story, and yes... there's lots of true facts AROUND many of our stories, but it's still just a story, and it's not real NOW. 

The past is gone, and what's left is our response and our interpretation of events.  Our impressions.  If we can shift into being nonjudgmentally present in THIS moment, we can see what's underneath, take it out, and observe it.

The stress is the bodies way of telling us.... we have unfinished business... lets finish this up, and file it. 

It takes a good deal of bravery to face the emotions behind the trauma, but if we can calm our mid brains down, unhook the alarm bells of lower brain, we have a chance to build new associations.  Most of the time we're doing our best, in the past, and there are good reasons for everything we do.  We can see reasons why everyone did what they've done, if we really pay attention.   

What is it you want more of, Boat?

Your T will ask you questions like....

What's going on for you today?  Right now?  Inside your chest?   How do you feel?  Where do you feelt that in your body? 

You'll respond with exactly what comes to mind.... you feel tight, or sad, or you're holding your breath, or you have a knot in your stomach/back/shoulder etc.  You just say what's honestly coming up for you, without censoring it, and you're honest in that room without fail, bc you want things to change.
 What do you want to change, exactly?  Without censoring it?  What do you want less of?  More of?  You can write all this down, for yourself, a future possible T, or friend you feel safe sharing with.

When you think of something distressing, what EXACTLY about that distresses you?  I find the more basic adjectives describe my distress.... the physical sensations, appearance, and often the suffering of others comes up for me, as it did today, bc dd17 had her wisdom teeth out yesterday.  That was the jumping off point for a very helpful session with T today. 

I find I respond well to tapping, as a resource.

I warm up by tapping the karate chop points on each hand, then I tap through the distressing thoughts twice.... to open that program in my brain/computer,so to speak.  Then I tap while thinking about something better, if things were improved, if I could interpret things differently, and before I know it, my stress drops down to zero.  Now, I tap through that many times... maybe 10 or 20, and then I notice where my stress/pain is. 

The last time it dropped from an 8 down to a 0!

And it doesn't come back  !

It's difficult to stop judging HOW or HOW OFTEN I practice being present and aware.  I forget some of the resources, and I fail to implement perfectly, or I just get lost in stories, and can't respond at all...  I ride the old pathways, and feel helpless, and like I've failed, which is how I was raised.

To strive for success, when I should focus on what's going on inside, for me. 


It's a process to unlearn the software society installs inside us.  Our culture is all about how big our homes are, what we drive, what's on our Facebook pages, etc.  Succeeding in a job, or race, or game, relationship, picking out an outfit... we're trying to be good enough all the time.  Have enough.

That is suffering.  Worrying.  Judging.  Fretting.  Competing. Falling short.  Comparing ourselves to others... ugh.  Just the worst suffering, IME!

We don't have to do that anymore.  We can be super compassionate with ourselves, and dial in nonjudgmental present awareness.   If we fall short, we dial it in, again and again.  We're practicing.  We aren't ever going to do it perfectly.  No one does, not even masters.


So, up through the bottom, unhook the alarm bells of the lower brain, calm down the mid brain, and access our higher thinking, and creativity... our true selves... who we were born, have always been, and will always have.  Perfect just as we are, shedding the stories we've been told, by others, and ourselves, about who we are, or might be.  Put the stories on the shelf.

You worry a lot, and you ask so many questions, Boat.

I say to you.....
sit down. 

Notice your breathing.
 In through your nose.
 Fill the lower part of your diaphram, like a wide bottomed vase, push your tummy out, and fill that vase up to the top, fill it up,  through your nose. 

Let it out slowly, through your nose. 

The body can be tricked OUT of fight or flight, bc we don't breath like that when we're in real crisis.  So we breath ourselves into a calmer state, then notice what's going on INSIDE US.  Does it hurt?
 If so, give it a number from 1 - 10.  Zero being no pain at all.  Where, exactly, is that pain or distress?

Now, what's going on around us. 
Sounds?
 birds? Lawnmower?  Sound machine?

Shapes? 
The window?  Art?  Chairs?  Rug?  Clock? Drapes?  Phone?  Water cooler?  Shapes, sizes, colors....
and then we notice smell. 
Cut grass?  Essential oils?  Summer air?  Cooking? 

What do you feel around you? 
Under you? 

Notice the space around you... to the sides.  Above you.  There's a lot of space above and beside you, Boat.  Feel it.  Breath it in.  Breath it in  as light, and let it fill the spaces around the pain/distress/tension inside your body. 

Bring that spaciousness inside, and fill yourself with it.... (I picture cotton) you can build space around knots, and coils, and tension, just keep breathing that space and light IN.  This was immensely helpful for me, like the tapping, but not always, and I can switch it up.  The more familiar I get with the tools in my toolbox, the more choice I have, the quicker the process can go, the better I get at silencing the chaos, and entertaining the things I want more of. 

If you can't do that, you can bring your attention to a part of your body that's neutral or feels OK.  Just focus there for a while.  And breath, with intention, bc breathing signals to the body that you're not in crisis.  You're safe.  The biologic responses have to be addressed before you can bring your higher brain in. 

PUSH.
ON.
A.
Wall.
With all you have, like your life depends on it.  And breath in, fill that vase, with intention.

You have so many great questions, but your biology's been hijacked. 

Take it back, Boat. 

Unhook the alarms... just shut them off.  No one can think when alarms are blaring.  NO ONE, and that's you and me.

The answers to all those questions you keep asking yourself will begin to appear, IME, once the alarms shut down.

Einstein meditated in the bathtub, and ideas came to him.  He often didn't have a pad and pen when he came up with his biggest ideas.  He invited in his wisdom, and that wisdom is inside us all.

The same for Edison.  He meditated, and ideas just came to him.

There's a study where 2 groups were tasked with problem solving.  One group was given 24 hours to hunker down, work in groups, and come up with ideas.

The other group was to think about the problem, then put it aside for 24 hours... allow the subconsious to chew it over, then come back, and work in a group.  They had ideas popping out of "nowhere", but that wasn't where that wisdom came from.  It was from a deeper place, and we all have access if we practice.

And practice doesn't have to be perfect.  Just sit down, take control of your biology, and pay attention to here, and now. 

I was going to post this on my thread, but it seemed like a good place to leave it, Boat. 

Lighter

ps  I've read and heard about all these things, from many different sources, but this one T helped me hear it in a way that made things click.  I can't stress how happy I am to have found her.  I wish I'd have found her 30 years ago.  I truly do: )


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Re: Meandering
« Reply #121 on: July 24, 2019, 08:08:12 PM »
Thank you. Worrying is suffering ha.

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« Reply #122 on: July 25, 2019, 01:26:39 AM »
Great post, ((((Lighter))))).

Such a good reminder of our own deep resources.
There IS peace inside. I think the brain chatter just prevents us from encountering it. When you do, it feels like such a gift.

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« Reply #123 on: July 25, 2019, 04:00:18 AM »
Listening to harp music and the frogs outside. My library has a book by John Bowlby so I've put it on hold. Ironically a friend in high school so many years ago was talking to me about attachment theory.

I think I feel shameful about my lack of relationships. Haven't really voiced it, just hovers out there I try to ignore it really because I was at a loss and felt kind of powerless. I guess I need to belong somewhere.

We struggle and then we get to feel bad for the struggle and not succeeding as if we are bad or something is wrong with us. It's some kind of double whammy. The whammy mammy, idk it rhymes. Or rather Mammy Whammy.

I think I get something out of brain chatter. It does move me along somehow I think big maybe. Yes. It does. Because if I didn't blab it all out then I wouldn't pay attention at all. I wouldn't go deep enough to see anything. I would watch a movie, eat cookies. I know brain chatter is not enough.


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« Reply #124 on: July 25, 2019, 03:21:55 PM »
Grouchy this morning. Got a very banging loud neighbor. Sleep and constant noise disturbance might be the one thing that gets me boiling into a rageful feeling, partly because to me it's common sense, and I will have to address it. Like so so many things in life it may just be another one of those reasonable but not realistic situations.


There is paperwork I need to force myself to set out, open up and look at it, make sense of it, fill it out and go to the post office. Related to maybe taking classes.

Feel like my needs are unrealistic and I emotionally question if they are ever reasonable even though I know they are.

Foo just like ma situation, reasonable needs but unrealistic needs.

Instead of reading self help books on N stuff I might try reading a couple books for parents about kids/relationship building etc. Just for a different kind of perspective. Last book I read had a section about finding your inner mother well this is pretty hard for me to do emotionally so maybe reading a book could help me at least start by engaging my mind and then maybe my emotions will follow or something.

The idea of inner mother just strikes a silly chord to me, I guess "normal" people really do have an inner mother that they don't doubt and don't think about it's just there.
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« Reply #125 on: July 25, 2019, 05:49:35 PM »
Moment of freaking out. I initiated a claim for unemployment but then I didn't actually open and start it because I wanted some time off. Also they sent me a ton of paperwork and I just felt like they were trying to manage my time and my life. I just needed some time in general I wasn't ready to keep running mindlessly. Also I might be "depressed" but I hate that word. Since I read the last self help book I'm gonna call it some mini "emotional collapse" even though I don't know what that is for sure. Emotional Collapse being the new term and otherwise my code word for depression which I associate with pills. In my mind depression is a terminal illness of the soul.

As part of my lay-off I received an authorization for training because our jobs were out-sourced basically.

>   The Trade Adjustment Assistance (TAA) Program is a federal program established under the Trade Adjustment Assistance Reauthorization Act of 2015 that provides aid to workers who lose their jobs or whose hours of work and wages are reduced as a result of increased imports.

I've been procrastinating believing that the unemployment just wouldn't be enough for me to get by and take classes for any substantial amount of time.

Well I made some phone calls today and I'm trying to figure it out. I'm sorta depressed that I'm so old but I still have to look closer at the benefits in case there really is something I can make out of it. Now I am freaking out because I don't know what kind of deadline there is for the TAA.

If I were to do it I would have to figure out what course I would take. CRY...... I'm not really crying. I'm totally fine. Still just even getting started with any of this paperwork makes me feel discouraged. I always feel like it's just not going to work out.

Also I think I am missing a form. But I may have missed critical deadlines and I will just have to accept it if it's the case. I'm waiting for a phone call. If any of this does pan out I would have to enroll fall quarter somewhere.

I will have to headout tomorrow and find someone I can talk to in person about the TAA stuff.

I just have to see through the hoops and keep on filling junk out and making appointments even if I'm frustrated I just have to move forward no matter what the outcome is with it. Better late than never maybe. It's a self starter situation and I should have done this in May. Here it is end of July.

Seems wrong to haphazardly pick out a course. Also maybe just taking steps is better than nothing even if I don't have a solid plan. I just can't see the future I really can't think that far ahead.
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« Reply #126 on: July 25, 2019, 07:12:49 PM »
Yes they may have missed out on $4,000 worth of pay because I really don't understand how the system works but I also wasn't ready and I thought I could stop and start a claim at any time. well stop-and-start legitimately when I'm actually taking classes. Yes I will do schitts like this and then I will complain that I don't have enough money for something like therepy it's voice recognition
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« Reply #127 on: July 25, 2019, 07:18:11 PM »
Yes it's definitely self-defeating maybe not exactly self-destructiveI do stuff like this because I feel like I just don't care sometimes like I'm tired and I don't want to deal with it and talking angrily into my phone
Taking a break how to go to some hippie food place got a late lunch early dinner bring a book with me current ready for an exciting day tomorrow inside an employment office. they can actually force me to apply for a job I don't want it feels like that's what's happening I know that's what's happening a lot of people find a way around it end up getting what they want out of it training or better job
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« Reply #128 on: July 25, 2019, 07:26:37 PM »
Maybe I'm just confusing myself I'll just find out tomorrow. I knew I wasn't ready to start looking for jobs I just want to take a break so for that reason I wasn't requesting a weekly check. I applied when I lost my job but I never opened the claim and submitted all the weekly information and I didn't get any checks however they still asked me why I haven't been looking for a job. I just told them I wasn't ready. But I don't like the question supposed to be a free country. and frankly I don't care about their stupid system and I don't want to read all their rules lol see I have an inner petulant teenage idiot inside of me this is really how I think sometimes but it really is stupid. I'm sure it's way more simplethan it seems to be and I should just relax. Actually did pretty good in school for the most part I just never finished it which also really annoys me that I didn't finish it
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« Reply #129 on: July 25, 2019, 07:52:16 PM »
I think that behind my complaints are real feelings it just comes out as constant complaining. Do you know sometimes it's just multiple feelings of discouragement and frustration along the way that it just lodge there. show us like feeling start to develop a life of their own to the point where they're just totally uncontrollable. Pretty frustrated at this juncture of my life I'm looking at taking classes but they're not like an interesting classes on top of an already established career. Just kind of like a non-career classes situation. Definitely I can't voice any of these feelings inside of an employment office. I need to get the paperwork and the deadlines and I need to already decide for myself if I can take classes what are those classes going to be they're really not going to help me make that decision at all. And on some level maybe I should just make an intuitive decision about it. taking quizzes and interest inventories etc etc that stuff never works for  . Literally one time I did that and I said I should be a helicopter pilot. They're not practical. Frustrated with my own inaction.guess I need to make sure that these complaints just end up being problem solving.
So facts and deadlines. Homemade with a specialist so I can figure out the deadlines.  if I can make the deadlines then I have to figure out a budget. and then if I can do the budget I guess I have to figure out the choices. And just make a decision.

 
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« Reply #130 on: July 25, 2019, 09:49:46 PM »
Amen, that is what you have to do, G.
And YOU CAN DO IT.

You've done a lot of natural, understandable things after the shock of layoff.
You avoided for a while. (When I lost my job I did nothing for several months.)
You've vented about the stupid bureaucratic system and how dumb it is. (True.)
You missed out on some money because the avoidance went on a bit too long. (Lesson learned.)
You pulled yourself back into focus and made a plan. BRAVO!

Not bad at all, considering everything!

So now, let yourself execute the plan/class as a dull necessity and do your best.
That'll carry you to your next step.
Don't abandon your life....you never know what something might lead to.
What's ahead will be new and possible better in ways you can't anticipate.
Allow for the possibility of good things happening.

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« Reply #131 on: July 26, 2019, 12:46:59 AM »
Allow for the possibility of good things happening.

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« Reply #132 on: July 26, 2019, 12:51:38 AM »
I'm really tired now. I don't want to spend too much time at the unemployment office. A co-worker started a new job this week but she didn't even want the job. She just applied for it to keep her benefits going until she got an interview she wanted. But I need to not obsess over stuff like this.



Just read it's the new term for the old fashioned "nervous breakdown". Are we like having nervous breakdowns all the time? I've never thought of myself as having a nervous breakdown. Is it always like super extreme? What do you think...

Read that anxiety and depression are conditions underlying a nervous breakdown but we know that under anxiety and depression is more stuff FOO stuff.

Oh I found a page about it.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/how-everyone-became-depressed/201309/bring-back-the-nervous-breakdown

It's now later and I am looking at my local community colleges, some offer bachelors degrees and technical degrees. So far none of which I have any interest in. Nothing is speaking to me. I do feel like what if I really am too old. What if I CAN'T get inspired. It feels so much like being set back a grade in school, like never graduating from one class, just doing 5th grade over and over so many times that I am so behind there is no point. I know life isn't always linear. I just have to accept some defeat and live my life anyhow I guess.

I feel like I am running out of lifetime.

When I look at the courses I think well there are things I could do because they are pragmatic, things I could do for interest or intuition. I am only seeing pragmatic things. Though I am really tired right now.
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« Reply #133 on: July 26, 2019, 03:50:42 PM »
Local office for training benefits wasn't too helpful on the phone, unfriendly lady. I contacted a different office further away they have orientation next week and they we're very informative just over the phone so they're helpful, I'm just going there. I wish they would mail us packets or put the information on the internet but they keep it all a big secret. it sounds like I haven't missed any deadlines for possibly getting into school fall quarter but I'm still worried about deadlines. But one never knows if the classes will actually have availability. Still I feel a little bit more upbeat after talking to one person who was at least informative and clear

There are only about two or three frogs croaking tonight, maybe it's too hot for them.
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« Reply #134 on: July 27, 2019, 08:08:16 AM »




When I look at the courses I think well there are things I could do because they are pragmatic, things I could do for interest or intuition. I am only seeing pragmatic things. Though I am really tired right now.

Trying to think your way out, over and over and over again, Boat.  Doing the same thing, over and over, expecting to feel better, bc you'
re putting so much consistent, thoughtful effort into the process.  I know that feeling.  I've done it.  I still do it.  I do it while the alarm bells are going off, and I can't turn my attention away, to my breathing, in that moment, to turn those alarms off.

I need a strategy.  No thinking.  Just doing.  I think I'll just push on a wall.... just make it habit.... then remember to breathe as I push.  To begin breathing with intention, as I can.  I have to start somewhere, and it's OK if I do it imperfectly.  I still haven't found a routine to move myself OUT of a bad place, and I know doing it as quickly as possible is important.   

As I understand it, the constant little breakdowns, you mention,  are moments when the alarm bells go off, and we soldier through it.  It's how we've gone through our entire lives.  It's our default.  It's what our brains know, and how we've survived.  It's how we'll always get along... unless we cultivate something else.  And the alarm bells go off to draw our attention to our unfinished business. They let us know we need to pay attention to our inner worlds.  We need to process, and file something.  Put it down, and move on.   

I'm going to repeat things here, I know, but it helps me to do it.  I hope it helps you, at some point, if you need it. 

How do we get under the alarms?  From the bottom.... through our breathing.  We shift our awareness, sans judgement, to THIS moment.  NOW is all we focus on.  Breathing.

 In through the nose, fill up the wide bottomed vase, pooch out the tummy, then out through the nose.  It seems so small, but it's the only way to let the body know we're safe.  The body doesn't know we're not in danger when we're having that little breakdown.  The body, the biology KNOWS we're in danger, and it's responding, readying for fight or flight.  Focusing our minds on the feeling of breaking down makes it less likely to break free,  IME. 

If we focus on breathe, THEN we can shift focus on what's going on inside.... it's not really a breakdown, Boat.  It's just our response to stress.... it's our biology.  Our impressions of the past, and impressions of the past FEEL like we're THERE, right there IN THE PAST.  They aren't real.  They're just a story, and it's OK to put them on the shelf while we breathe, and pay attention to our inner world.  You have the answers you seek, inside.  When your access to higher brain is restored, you'll figure everything out, and the breakdowns will release their grip.  They'll gturn into information, and your brain will file old information, and put it somewhere in the past, where it won't be SO PRESENT in our minds.

Maybe consider:
Downloading KARDIA app, Boat.  If you get a chance.  Breathe in, as the ball gets larger, and out as it shrinks.  It's 4 minutes, Boat.  Anyone can give it a go for 4 minutes, however imperfectly... just keep going back to the ball.  It's OK when the mind wanders.  Everyone's mind does.  Just keep returning to the ball, sans judgment.  Failing is where learning takes place.  We SEE how easy it is to go back to the constant chatter.  We notice what the chatter is.  That's the starting point, IME. We learn how to distance that chatter, and we can't do that if we aren't aware.

What's going on inside, Boat?  What do you feel?  Where is it in your body?  Your chest?  Your throat?  Your stomach?  What does it feel like?  Name it.  Put your hand on it.  Release all judgment around it, and get very curious about it.... observe this feeling inside.   Give it a number from 1-10.  Is it pain or tension.... stinging, or throbbing?  Name it.  Give it a number.

This is how we unhook the breakdown, the biological hijack that keeps us mired in old brain pathways.  Old pathways don't care if we're suffering, or struggling.  Old pathways only know they've kept us alive, so far, and that's a HUGE WIN as far as they're concerned.  They're succeeding, and they aren't concerned with quality of life.  Just LIFE going on for us.   They won't stop functioning that way UNTIL we mindfully notice them, get under them, unhook them, and install new pathways.  In this way we begin to make the changes.  Small, at first, but a change in  direction is HUGE when we begin. IME.  Remember, it takes 7 miles for the Queen Mary to change directions.  It seems slow, but it's everything when we begin.

It's good to notice where our suffering originates from. It seems scary, but it leads to deliverance from it, IME. Observing it is the answer.  It's how we interpret our past, and how we fear for our futures, when all that's real is this moment we're experiencing.   When we entertain stories, we suffer.  Put them on the shelf.  You can do this.  You can focus on HERE and NOW.  Just this moment.  With practice.  We're only practicing.

I know how hard it is to DO that, bc it's taken me 15 years of hearing about it, being guided through it, reading about it in many forms, and not getting it.  SO frustrating.  I needed a teacher, at the right time, to show me how. 

Your alarm bells are going off, and you don't have access to your higher thinking/creativity, and maybe you know this.  Maybe you don't.  I see you doing the same thing again and again, and I notice your frustration.  You know what questions to ask.  I really want you to have access to answers. 

When you get frustrated....

Consider focusing on your breathing, that blue Kardia ball helps me stay focused, bc focus is the trick, IME.
 If you try... remember to be super kind to yourself, drop all judgements... shift into curiosity, and fill that wide bottomed vase, bottom to top, then let it go.... slow, and deep.

Even if it feels wrong, (PAT Pleasure Affect Tolerance) even if it feels silly, or hopeless, or like you're wasting time.... breathe, Boat.

If you can't, and sometimes we can't, maybe go push on a darned wall.... hard.  As hard as you can, like your life depends on it.  Expend that shooting up through your stomach and chest (polyvagal), and out your limbs energy shooting out of your limbs, and expend it. It's difficult to get quiet, and breathe when all that biology is banging around loudly, IME.

Kindness. 
Breathing.
Paying attention to what's going on inside, and around you.
And more breathing to trick the body into believing there's no real danger, Boat.

Once you unhook the alarm bells, and breathing will do this for you, what comes up for you?

You aren't crazy. 
You're doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different outcome.  That's just  craziness happening TO you, IME. 


 
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