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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #870 on: July 23, 2022, 05:42:14 PM »
That sounds like a wonderful plan, Lighter. Brava!

SO impressive that you have seen that you and D share the vulnerability to disordered relationships with food in different ways...and will see that T together.

This is exciting. Hoping for you it offers a new, beautiful direction.

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #871 on: August 05, 2022, 07:23:38 PM »
My T won't see dd and me together again.  She referred us to a neutral T specializing in eating disorders. It looks promising.

I will say DD has been talking to me more since that shared T appointment.  We had a really good day Monday.

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #872 on: August 06, 2022, 11:06:41 AM »
Still.
Waiting.
For.
ED.
T.
To.
Contact.
Me.

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #873 on: August 06, 2022, 11:08:38 AM »
Grrrrr.

Hope you'll gently RE-contact her once a week until you hear back.

Hard
to
wait.

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #874 on: August 12, 2022, 02:29:34 PM »
I'm still waiting, Hops.  Just left another message.

I've worked through a huge chunk of reactivity around the legals.

It was the main reason I was referred to my T, but somehow I meneuvered around it till now and that's OK, bc processing using AIT, this time, is less stressful, less time consuming and less complicated than the other forms of therapy, which were massively helpful, but not as easy or quick, IME.  ALL AROUND improved experience for me and it feels like the same somatic and emotional relief.  Time will tell. 

My T has been working with an AIT (Advanced Integrative therapy) therapist. She didn't tell me this until after we'd finished 2 sessions.  One was over ZOOM and the other was in her office recently.  I prefer face to face therapy. I prefer less suffering too; )

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #875 on: August 17, 2022, 12:27:24 AM »
I haven't been worrying about settinng boundaries with Yelly Guy and that's a good thing, bc yesterday it happened organically and without any reactivity. I'd just spoken with the Cowboy and he decided he'd bring his zero turn mower back to the house and I'd borrow it to do that bit of mowing Yelly Guy used to do.  Right now Cowboy trades smoked meats with his other next door neighbor for lawn mowing services. 

I chatted with the Nurse for a minute on my way to talk to Cowboy.... she had this look in her eye...... just.... she doesn't get it and I decided not to talk to her about Yelly Guy again.... at least not till she brings it up, which is likely very soon for reasons I'll explain.

Working in the drainage ditch pulling weeds and lobbing them into the piles of leaves and branches on both the Nurse's side of the ditch and mine, I worked for about an hour to clear the ditch properly.  It was very hot, but not buggy and I enjoy the work... weed pulling meditation.  The moss and ferns growing on the bank is increasing.... I enjoy watching that happen. 

 If Yelly Guy weed wacks the weeds into the ditch, they turn melt into messy and smelly decaying muck and then it takes hours to clear AND I end up covered in muck with my boots full of the stuff.  Not good, so when the Yelly Guy whisteled up on me, like Sheriff Andy Taylor, all southern charm and ease I didn't think about my response....
I just grunted and gave him a short glare he couldn't possibly mistake for a come'hither look.... just..... I'm done having him mistake politeness for an invitation for him to make unwanted advances.  Done.  SO done.  I can't believe I'm writing this, but..... I have no plans to ever be polite to Yelly Guy again.  That might come to pass... will see.  I still like his wife and might muster it up IF she's standing there, but maybe not.  I'm trying to decide how much self sacrifice I'll make for the comfort of others and why I do that. 

YG went on to say "Well, I'm glad I won't have to bring my weedeater over tomorrow."

I said "No. No, you won't have to bring your weedeater tomorrow or any other day, bc I have this handled,. just like I have the mowing handled. Thank you for your hard work, but you won't be mowing my weeds any longer."

Yelly Guy whined "Well, I do it for everyone."

I ignored him, told him to say hello to his wife, then went back to my weeds.  I don't know where Yelly Guy went.... i didn't look up from my work.

Yelly Guy WILL "tell on me" to the nurse, and she might feel some way about it. She might want to talk about it.  We can do that.

I need to drive the mower I borrow over her property...just a smidge... to get to the other side of the drainage ditch.... I think.  maybe not.  Will have to look at it with the Cowboy.   I do't expect the nurse to have a problem with it and if she does, I can come round my house and access under the power lines another way.  It would mean the nurse has chosen to go to war to defend Yelly Guy's honor.... that wold be a huge PITA.

That's my update and my sister texted "don't back yellly guy into a corner."

She's concerned YG will lose his mind and go nuts...which is a possibiliity, but  I'm done living small and fearful to avoid being harmed or attacked by large, or small, men who don't like hearing the word NO.

Right now Yelly Guy still has reason to BE ON or arouond our street, bc of nurse. Once that's settled, and it will be very soon, anytime anyone sees Yelly Guy will be reason for concern and perhaps to call the police.   Won't know till I hear from nurse.... depending on how crazy Yelly Guy's story is, I'll know.  I wonder if I need to clearly state the conequencs for boundary stomping TO Yelly Guy.  I mean, I expect him to overstep the boundary..... I guess I could have stated the consequences yesterday when stating the boundary, but
1.  I do figure YG has to be a wounded child and I don't want to harm or provioke him and....
2.  I SHOULD be able to state a simple boundary and just have it BE a boundary that's honored..... and......
3.  It feels wrong to threaten to call the police on someone who's performing a "favor" without asking anything in retun besides pressing into the space of people the good deed doer is attempting to have unwanted contact with/sex/whatever against their express wishes, kwim? 

Evereyone on the street is used to Yelly Guy mowing that grass and walking through this cul de sac to access the forest on a daily basis.  That changes IF Cowboy, who's deeply distressed and maybe ashamed of the story, and I TELL the neighbors what Yelly Guy is about and that's bad ju ju, it's a very negative conversation, it's news no one wants to be true or deal with, IME.  People often shoot the messenges when hearing that kind of information, is what I'm trying to say...... and I have to tell you.... I ONLY care what 3 of my 7 neighbors think.  As long as I have those 3 people on board...and I think I'd have 4 of them on board, then all is well on Lighter's cul de sac. 

I was thinking... if Yelly Guy appears to just fade away..... it's not an indication all is well.  I'm not going to worry about it.  I have a lock on my crawl space.  The house is locked up.  The only person with a key absolutely hates Yelly Guy.... I'm putting in some cameras, just to what I can see.... there's electricity in the shed, so a camera there will show me everyone passing or coming onto my property.  Will be good.

So,  I'm thinking the neighbors need to know it's not OK for Yelly Guy to come'round any more.  If the nurse would ask YG to stop using her  then there's ZERO reason for YG to be ON our street.   Not that he can't access my yard and home through the forest, bc he can.  it's just that his  presence, from this moment forward, won't mean anything positive.  It will be a boundary transgression at best and heinous fockery at worst.  Once the camera is up on the shed, I'll know if Yelly Guy is accessing my property.... feels pretty well buttoned up. 

I'm learning to wait for the other show to fall with grace and restraint.  I will cross that bridge when I get to it and not worry about it until.

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #876 on: August 17, 2022, 09:58:43 PM »
If only Yelly Guy posts were works of fiction, mouse.

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #877 on: August 17, 2022, 10:33:15 PM »
If only Yelly Guy posts were works of fiction, mouse.

Hahaha. It's only from a distance though. Surely it's bothersome in person.

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #878 on: August 19, 2022, 09:32:25 PM »
The ED T called today while I was in VET partking lot with pug.  It was OK.... we're on a wait list....4 ahead of us.  I chose the best T with as many tools as I could get for processing trauma and all their T focus on eating disorders.

We can do family T and one on one sessions with T.  I have contact info for a support group I can attend and I will.  ACK. I actually experinced a shudder thinking about that... reminded me of the parent meetings and group therapy from wilderness program and therapeutic boarding school with dd21... Lordy.  Oher people's pain, on top of my own..... is just more pain. Maybe it will be different this time if I stay above their pain and don't fall into it with them. Will see.

My regular T appointment on Tues was crazy but super productive.  Lots of feeling faint while processing the legal trauma using AIT.  It was wave after wave, then,  at the end rising up from my stomach to the top of my head, then to my throat, then to my heart, then it ended where it began..... stomach and I think it's passed.  That was the last round... there were many and I should have kept my hands on 2 spots but kept moving the non stationary hand to where the pressure and discomfort was.....it was an amazing experience and I feel better for it.

The girls seem pretty steady right now.  Lots of laughter and business with joyful things.  The pug is super attached to me right now and I'm on top of all her care.  She sleeps with dd21 about 2 out of 20 times.  When I get up in the morning, the Pug is glued to my ankle...moving with me as I move.... like a shadow. 

It's an odd thing to have a little sentient bat faced being in the house, moving around at will, sometimes making demands and stretching for attention.... so cute.  So dependent.  So very lovely.  We enjoy her so much and can't imagine our lives without her.


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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #879 on: August 21, 2022, 10:37:11 AM »
DD20 says there will be a pug shaped hole in our lives when the pug is gone.

She says we'll need to get another dog. 

Does anyone here know anything about A COURSE IN MIRACLES?

I ordered a book and haven't felt enough interest to dive in.

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #880 on: August 21, 2022, 01:02:47 PM »
A little sentient, bat-faced being...what a wonderful descriptor. I always feel sad about bradycephalic pooches-for-profit but pugs are rattlingly adorable. Before I learned more about dog breeding I yearned for a French bulldog. Actually looked up "funniest dogs" because I so wanted a dog that would make me laugh. So I enjoy your descriptions of your funny, enchanting little sentient bat-face!

My Pooch is fairly humorless, but her life was very taxing. Sometimes she does make me laugh, in the way that giving side-eye while ignoring my comic monologues just makes me try harder. And then her tail starts going and I'm filled with joy to see it.

My ex-H had a Course in Miracles phase, as did a few friends. He also was a true believer in the Urantia Book (do Google it) for years. Personally, I'm repulsed by "revealed secret sauce" spiritual texts. I reject anything written in human language that purports to explain the spiritual authoritatively. I believe transdendence is innate to the human experience and humility and love the only gateways. Oh, plus I loathe stuff that's supposedly been "channeled." Went to visit a "channeler" in Va. Beach once years ago and rolled my eyes so hard I had to pick them up off the sidewalk on the way out. (I was very polite to everyone, however.)

All I can say is look for the origin stories of books/groups/movements like that, and pay close attention to the money trails.

And this is a wiser overview than my own.
https://matthewremski.medium.com/why-a-course-in-miracles-is-not-good-for-you-or-those-you-love-e36d26ddadda

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #881 on: August 21, 2022, 10:03:19 PM »
Thanks for that link, Hops:

I'm enjoying the TV series CHOSEN very much.   My interpretation of Jesus healing people is....... his reflecting their divinity back to them....the peope heal themselves. 

I can't imagine belonging to a group who believe their way of believing is the ONLY way.   I like to pick up wisdom from all different people and faiths.  It's all the same to me..... no matter what people want to call it....it's all one source, IMO.

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« Reply #882 on: August 21, 2022, 11:09:03 PM »
Sounds wise and eclectic to me, Lighter.
I often think I'm a Cafeteritarian.
UUism allows room for that, mostly.

I have allergies to some religious things though, for sure.

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« Reply #883 on: August 23, 2022, 08:04:26 PM »
Today's T session was rather flat...... I think all the work we've done lead to my figuring out the parts and peices of the things we worked on.....and I saw my ASPD h as a human being.... a wounded child...... a desperate person lashing out wildly, destroying his own life as he took me down with him and our children...... and ASPD didn't think he had choices.  That just taken the emotional charge to zero without actually processing the things I used to be overwhelmed and triggered by.... the work we've been doing sort of worked on it while I wasn't aware. 

Even a particular moment with my MIL..... her big horsey guffawing laugh at the courthouse after I'd been railroaded into making yet another deal..... brought up ZERO emotional charge and I think I was shocked.  That big horsey laugh seemed like it would live in my mind... seem SO CLOSE.... in my face, for the rest of my life, but it's not.
Just gone and it was such a relief to have half our time left to mentally thrash about to identify.....
and you're going to appreciate this Hops.....
my identifying my NEED to be heard and understood (BECAUSE imo I have good intentions and want to at least be seen and heard and feel I'm understood for the facts I'm presenting) when maybe I'm not being heard and shouldn't be offering an opinion not asked for or it's just not my place to do the work of someone who's refusing to do what I feel they would insist I DO for myself in their position.  It complicates things when it involves serious medical issues, bc a patient absolutely needs an advocate in the system to help them understand when they can't hear and have information fed to them when they need it to make big decisions. 

This also ties into not feeling I had a voice in my FOO.  And true or no..... it's going to be dealt with next week. 

This brought up the brain surgery my father had that ruined his life... just dropped him in his tracks when I TOLD him it would bc I did dad's due diligence FOR HIM, but T said that's a rabbit hole........

And.... it's not about the surgery.... it's about my needing to control an outcome and control the flow of life changing information before it's too late, but then..... I end up the one being controlled, which is the definition of choosing to suffer.

So, today I had a check in with the distance and spaciousness we've created in the T's office, in my life generally, along with identifying a large blind spot so it's processed out next week.

I wonder what it will feel like to see someone running toward a cliff and my only response....

"let me know how that works out for you" being the only thing I have to say...... and feeling peace around it.  I don't understand how that will work itself out of my limbic system, but I believe I can do it.

When I think about running toward a cliff..... and all the times I HAVE done it..... was committed to it...... regardless of wise words from people who had my best interst in mind...... I see this from a different POV.   Maybe nothing would have stopped me and maybe no one should have tried.  Maybe someone insisting their very good set of facts be heard and acknowledged would be the wrong thing for them to do.... maybe I would hate it.

On the other hand, I tend to think I'd LIKE to hear the thick and the wrong of things I'm running toward.  I don't like to hear people say things they noticed BEFORE I ran off the cliff, but didn't say.  I wonder why in the world they didn't just say it..... I guess bc I likely WOULD have said something, but then.....
I have time to think about this before next weeks session.

I think this touches so many things in my life.  I think it will be a relief and restored freedom I can't quite puzzle out for myself,but trust will come.

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #884 on: August 23, 2022, 09:12:26 PM »
WHOO.

Deep work and epiphanies.
I understood what you were describing, Lighter.

I'm sorry no one was able to catch you before you plunged.

But you've climbed back up to the top of the cliff, one handhold at a time.
That's something to build on, for the rest of your life. You did that.

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