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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #885 on: September 17, 2022, 06:59:35 PM »
The last T appt T asked what I was thinking. 

I had planned to deal with a particular "problem" that had resolved, which seems to be happening more and more outside her office.

T felt we could go 3 or 4 weeks between visits..... and it felt right.

I'm not eating very well and that's OK.  That will resolve too: )

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #886 on: September 25, 2022, 01:11:44 PM »
Learning to put things down and let them be is a skill I've been working on.

As I process the yard stuff.....
I think I can just put that down and let it BE.

I don't have to do anything, really.... but what I've always done, bc it made sense and still makes sense TO ME.



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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #887 on: October 04, 2022, 12:33:39 PM »
You feeling better, eating better, Lighter?

I didn't know if eating better means eating-closer-to-an-extremely-specific-diet, or just eating more to be healthy, in a not-disordered way?

I don't know what that struggle is like but I sense it's extremely difficult. Mine is just "eat food, not too much, mostly plants" advice...Michael Pollan, was it?

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #888 on: October 05, 2022, 03:15:35 PM »
I'm eating many fewer inflammatory foods, Hops.

Really craving, so cooking, Vietnamese foods.  Enjoying crunchy lettuce with everything with chili peppers and Thai basil, yum.


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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #889 on: October 07, 2022, 12:56:49 PM »
The cooking sounds like therapy Lighter, delicious :) xx

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #890 on: October 07, 2022, 05:23:29 PM »
Oh..... one triple batch of Cha Gio later and we're planning another triple batch with similar ingredients now.

So.

Good.

And washing a bunch of lettuces ahead makes eating greens a pleasure again.  I'm sick of those clam shell pre cleaned greens. 

I'm making a big batch of Sichuan dry fried green beens...... another really yummy dish we snarf down fast.


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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #891 on: October 07, 2022, 09:40:47 PM »
I've waited to write this update on Therapy since I haven't practiced what I learned enough to write with much clarity. 

Will put it out there anyway.

I had a rough T appt 2 weeks ago.  Things lead to an experience I remembered from my childhood where a same aged little boy held down 7yo Lighter and spit in her face.  My arms were pinned... I really hated that feeling of helplessness.  I remember flashes of it. 

I don't know why I chose to retaliate.  I don't know why I chose to retaliate with a glass of water, but that's what I did. I went home, filled a large glass with water and threw it in the boy's face, basically dousing his entire front with water in the winter cold.  It made sense at the time.

Later that day, the boy and his angry father knocked on our door.  Not sure how it went down, but my father defended my actions and let that dad and his son know they should about face and double time away, or else. They left.  I was mortified remembering it..... every piece of it is humiliating, except my father defending me.... that was a good thing.

In T's office I spent a bit of time musing about the little boy, how he was likely bullied,blah blah, but I worked through it and don't care either way now. 

The important piece was what happened when the T asked if THAT incident was the earliest incident I could remember and I began babbling like the character Buddy in the movie THE GIFT.  And I hated it.  And stopped myself doing it.

That was the end of that appointment and we scheduled to meet in a week.....and I was NOT OK for hours afterwards. 

When i went back that next week, I just jumped right into it.  My Paternal Grandfather was overtly sexual and silly and innapropriate.  The nice part was I didn't have to go beyond those adjectives to go into the part of my brain I needed to go in order to process and heal it, which we did. 

One of the most hurtful pieces was not being protected by my parents..... and even as an adult, when my  Grandfather put his hands on my entire arse in front of my adult brother and our father...... I LOOKED THOSE TWO MEN IN THE EYE and their resposnse to order me OUT of Grandpa's reach, obviously.  THAT was the problem.  They didn't say a word to Grandpa....nothing. Nicht.  Nada.  Just.... astonishingly...... I don't honestly know why that was their choice, bc Grandpa continued to be "innapropriate" for years, with us, with my brother's gf.... actually ordering her down to the dock to give grandpa a hug after grandpa had latched onto her and groped her badly at New Year's..... she knew to stay away from him and would have, but for being ordered otherwise and what the hell IS that?

I realize I don't much care, at this point.  There was no protection and that was that.  Whatever the resasons.

The day did come when I told grandpa he couldn't have any alcohol and he asked why.  I told him why and he looked at me like I grew two heads and told me he had no idea what I was talking about..... he felt the entire world had gone mad and then my dad's caretaker joined in and began sharing moments grandpa had groped her.... and she really disliked him.  Really...... and someone else jumped in too. It must have been a holiday...maybe brother's gf, but THAT was the ONLY time anyone EVER said anything to grandpa about his behavior.  The men were mice in my family...... excusing grandpa's cheating on grandma....."bc grandma was sick.":  Ummmm...I think that just made grandpa a larger cad, personally, but hey...... that's where I come from and who I grew up with and that gave my T a lot of insight into why I chose martial arts and training law enforcement officers and how my life went the way it did.

And so..... T introduced the idea of the Ally, saying she'd recently been introduced and found it very helpful in her healing journey.

Basically, every part and piece of us is trying to help..  The addicted, the self destructive, the wounded and the protectors..... all have good intentions.

When things feel off or whn anxiety pops up...... sit in that and find one of the pieces or parts behind it.... be that part wounded or protector.... one will present and step up over the others. That's been my experience, anyway, and they always come from the left or that's where I look when i find them.  To the left.

I also find the place in my body where the anxiety or pressure or pain IS and place my left hand on it, where it remains during the AIT protocol.  Lately that part has been my throat.  Then we go through the AIT protocol with the other hand moving over the Crown, Third Eye, Throat, Heart/then left heart/right heart, Solar Plexus, Sacral, left crease then right at top of leg, ending with the Root Chakra.

After each pass, we shake it out and talk about what happened, then repeat till all the energy around the issue is gone.

The bottoms of my feet were tingling like crazy this time.... then my hands, which was all I felt, aside from feeling things breaking up and breaking free.  We finished that session 10 minutes early and I was happy to go.  I felt like something had been finished and there's zero desire to figure anything about it out or think about it any more. 

OK, back to the Ally.  Brining the Ally forth, after selecting one of our parts or pieces then having them step up and saying....
"I see exactly why you feel that way" or something similar that feels right to you.

The Ally stands with us, validates and supports whatever is going on...... and this is helpful in ways I'm still learning about.

Up front, it replaced the desire to receive validation/approval or understanding from whomever it is we're wishing we could have it from.  HUGE, but that's not all it's good for... I know this. If it was all....it would be enough.

For the first time i can really SEE how life would have been if I'd learned to break the cycle of chain thoughts....one negative thought leading down the rabbit hole until full out survival brain is in charge.  So so hard.

What would life have been if I'd taught my girls.  No regret, just clarity and understanding.

Please don't copy and paste any of this post, bc it's likely I'll go back in and edit.

Tupp..... I thought about you and the chain thinking when I read your last update.  SO familar to me.

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #892 on: October 08, 2022, 12:34:18 PM »
I like the way the notion of an inner ally, that has good intentions, moves things forward, Lighter.

It's parallel to the logic of all emotions, but positive. If pain or fear make sense based on past experiences, then maybe sitting more with the positive, kind, pragmatic and willing-to-be-happy inner ally will too.

It sounds like a lovely new way to experience self-love and self respect.

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #893 on: October 08, 2022, 02:01:06 PM »
God, Lighter, I'm sorry.  I often wonder how different the world might be if it wasn't so full of people who just turn a blind eye to what's going on under their noses, blame the person the thing's being done to, normalise perverse/abusive/obnoxious behaviour and just keep protecting the person who's in the wrong.  Urgh.  Imagine the difference if your dad had dealt with your grandfather the way he dealt with that horrible spitty boy.  I'm sorry those things happened to you.  I'm glad the ally/shaking it out stuff is helping move it out of the way.  Yep, I get the daisy chaining thoughts tumbling into survival mode stuff.  I guess for whatever reason you know felt safe enough to let these things come back up and move them out of the way.  I hope things are feeling calmer now xx

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #894 on: October 14, 2022, 12:53:45 PM »
I think things are setttling, Tup. 

Sometimes I feel a wave of....... really confusing jumbles of many emotions over........ the excuses and acceptance around my Grandfather's behaviors. 

Now..... I have to remember my paternal side was COMPLETELY mysogynistic in their dealings with girl and boy children.  My father's uncles were terrible to their wives and spoke about all women as lesser beings, which is behavior leading to my father losing his marriage to a beautiful and confident woman..... once she stopped crying over his cruel words.....she got mad. 

My paternal grandmother was beaten for her brother's messes.... I mean..... beaten bloody all over her torso and legs.... sometimes with implements and swiches, which is confusing when I think about how much more paternal grandmother valued boys over girls, herself.  I wish she could have broken free of that belief system.  My father and brother were the golden children.....and my father made excuses for grandfather's cheating on his mother... I mean he was a HUGE cheater with women everyone knew and my Grandmother knew too. 

This contrasts badly with my father's use of words like "whore" and "slut" while referring to women cheating, not cheating or wearing makeup he didn't approve of.  Just..... so disturbed and accepted.  Acceptable IN our family. The norm.  Women were less than human to my father, undeserving of compassion and "missing that gene" that made them compassionate people.  Now..... that's SO odd to me, considering his mother favored him BUT she was also a bit PD, IMO, and I think my father and his sister were badly affected by their mother's likely N manipulations...... unable to deal with it, outside avoiding it, even as grandma gave respect and love to dad and only things to my aunt..... or so I see it that way now. 

I don't know if my brother is aware or ever thinks about any of that.  I think he doesn't give it a thought. 

I know he has a daughter and her mother's (my ex SIL's) family trauma played out in loud and overt ways, making my brother's trauma and family dysfuntion less apparent, though I see how it's woven through his marriage and relationships.  Not my circus, not my clowns, as they say, but we all had tickets to the show, didn't we?

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #895 on: October 16, 2022, 09:09:40 PM »
Made another triple batch of cha gio this afternoon.... it was better than the last.

More ginger and garlic.... fish sauce, beef and turkey.... a little sugar, soy sauce....  most of it made without rice wrappers, about 6 minutes each side in the air fryer.  The little logs browned up nicely and taste like dumpling filling which is super yummy.  Wrapped in crunchy lettuce leaves with fresh herbs..... just about the best meal I can think of.  If I added rice noodles or broken rice it would kick it up a notch, but not necessary AND my skin and joints are much happier with these choices. 

If I needed a concrete reminder of why I don't eat eat certain foods and why I don't eat non foods..... those are it.

DD20 is babysitting till 10 and will have crazy funny stories when she gets home.  The last time she babysat, the 5yo had her taking notes about the play 5yo was writing, then they performed it till big brother came home and performed it again till the mom got home.  Big brother was pressed into labor, then the play was performed again for the mom.  This child is large and in charge.  BTW, the
"play" was the same song over and over, with different names, banged out on percussion instruments only. 

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #896 on: October 17, 2022, 05:36:42 PM »
Aaaaghhh.
Hard-core sexism and/or misogyny in our FOOs plays out foreveer.
I'm really sorry you have endured so much of it, Lighter.

And equally glad you still take joy in the new generations and in your own healing.

It's brutal stuff from our brutally sexist culture.

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #897 on: October 25, 2022, 03:49:03 AM »
I do wonder, Lighter, (or more specifically, I know from my own experiences) that people have to numb themselves down to cope with all sorts of things, and abuse/neglect/mistreatment just becomes normal to them and something they don't connect with or comment on.  It's relatively recently, I think, that women have been able to earn their own money, get themselves a mortgage, marry a man because they choose to rather than having to and all those sorts of things.  So I'd guess that speaking up, going against the man of the house, protesting in any way just wasn't an option for a long time - so people just become immune to it and shrug it off.  It's horrible when we look at all the ways we mistreat ourselves and others (and very difficult to untangle ourselves from).  I find I have to keep my distance from people who are still in 'acceptance' mode, because I'm not accepting other people's acceptance just now - not sure if I want to, either.  I've had to pull away from my sister, and the kids, unfortunately, because I can just see those old patterns playing out again, with everyone involved oblivious and no-one doing anything to change.  My mum replayed her pattern with us, my sister is replaying it with her kids and I don't have the spare energy needed to put the work in to be around people and not become affected by or involved in it.  So I've taken three steps back and we're back at Christmas cards and weekly text messages now.  I don't know why some people pull forward and some don't.  It's disturbing to see.  I'm sorry your Grandad was the way he was.  It's an awful shadow to grow up under and it does do so much damage, I think a lot of it doesn't even become apparent until much later on in life?

I've no idea what cha dio is but it sounds delicious :)  Lol

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #898 on: October 28, 2022, 11:29:55 AM »
We're staying with my recently widowed fruend this weekend.  She's having foot surgery as I write this. She was in a car accident earlier this week and fugitives from the police ran a light.....fruend T-boned them and broke bones in her foot.  Car totaled.  Another car pulled up and dragged the criminals out if their wrecked vehicle then fled.  Not sure what happened with that, but my friend us dragging herself up and down stairs in her 3 story townhous with sore ribs, very banged up. Lordy, this is why ranch style homes are so popular.  Please send strength and healing our way.

My girls are at a convention....will post about that later.

Going to cook and clean till buddy is put back together and ready for pick up.

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #899 on: October 28, 2022, 08:30:54 PM »
Aaaghh, what a rough experience (and horribly piling-on one) for your poor friend! Glad you can help her; good thoughts on the way.

I spent four hours today with a friend who had major ankle surgery and is navigating awkwardly on a kneeling scooter, when not sleeping off the opiods. I spent half the time helping her finish VoteForward.org letters, which made me feel a little better about helping (more than exhortations in the Post and Times). BTW, those are completely nonpartisan statements handwritten from one voter to another about the importance of voting to themselves and how every vote matters. I like it.

I also enjoyed bonding with her puddytats despite some allergy discomfort and smothery mask. Glad I did it. Had some quiet time to ponder and work on an email blast for the local grassroots v2vnetwork.org project I'm increasingly involved with. 

One thing came up for me is that, even having had covid before, when I gently asked if she rapid-tested before her daily volunteer-helpers would come...she just said no, she's not worried about risks. Despite my great sympathy for what she's going through now, I thought it was a sad example of me-only thinking. Some basic communitarian/humanitarian instinct has been so badly eroded in recent years.

Your injured friend is lucky that you are showing her the opposite! Hope next generations catch on to how it changes life; to have if not a tribe, friends and neighbors who love you rather than just tolerate you.

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