Author Topic: Mindfulness and codependence thread  (Read 136861 times)

Hopalong

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 13616
Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #120 on: March 17, 2020, 06:36:42 PM »
BRAVO, Lighter!
Despite its imperfect representatives,
the world was not your enemy for the blood draw.

I'm really happy for you that you opened yourself up
to what was going right. Even the things that you did not
control...generally went all right.

You trusted the universe a bit! Ignorant gum chewing
strangers! Nobody died because you weren't hyper vigilant!

More bravos.

Hugs,
Hops
"That'll do, pig, that'll do."

lighter

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8631
Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #121 on: March 17, 2020, 11:53:15 PM »
Thanks, Hops!

I really did feel hypervigilance battled the garden for dominance on that bus.

I felt like I was stuck between the two at times, but kept trying hard to smell sunny tomatoes and vines...
tomatoes and vines...
tomatoes and vines, lol. 

And it worked! 

We signed up for the May blood drive at school.  I didn't know one bag of (gently shaken) blood could help up to 3 people.

The techs have these little rocking tables that cradle the bags as they fill up so they don't clot.  And every time I looked I was astonished it didn't bother me.  I noticed the red blood filled line... nothing! 

I saw the needle before it went into dd's arm.... NOTHING.

The blood bead coming out of my arm, bc it just wouldn't clot.... nu thin.

No reactivity at all. 

This is astonishing, particularly bc of the smell in that closed in area AND the close proximity to other people which added stress.   

My T will be so pleased: )

Lighter
ps  I think we will be "socially distancing" longer than 2 weeks also... sadly.
A 2 week incubation period seems likely... I keep hearing that from many sources.  I have to begin that countdown today after all the running around, touching stuff and being closer than 6 feet to people at several different places, which is stupid, but man... it's SO HARD to stop doing it, IME.     

Twoapenny

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3740
  • Becoming
Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #122 on: March 18, 2020, 01:26:42 AM »
Well done on getting through that, Lighter!  Wow, that is a big shift, I'm really pleased for you :) xx

lighter

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8631
Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #123 on: March 18, 2020, 03:07:01 PM »
Thanks, Tupp.

I had a WhatsApp appointment with T this morning and she was very pleased about the blood donation experience too. It's amazing how strong our minds are and how putting the stories on the shelf frees us up.... delivers us from reactivity.

I shared some upsetting recent reactions with her.... waking at 1am feeling anxious then 3am and eating both times instead of feeling in my body.... comforting my anxiety as I would a small child... asking it if I need to do something now... like flee a burning house.  If not, let it know we'll deal with it in the morning.... breathe to activate PNS parasympathetic nervous system and do what can be done, then go back to sleep. 

She said it's very common to seek out dairy and ice cream.... to eat things familiar from infancy.... seeking food and safety and comfort from exterior things under stress,  esp for women.  The stress really shows us where those old pathways are and how strong they are. 

I also have a desire to b slap a certain face when I see it on TV,  which I'm avoiding like, ahem, the plague.  It's still reactivity showing me where it lives in my body.  I can give it attention, without judgment, and wait for what comes up around it.  Breath light and spaciousness around it.

 I know what it feels like to tend to the new pathways while resisting the old..  I just did it on the blood bus.   It's a habit we cultivate daily and notice when stress overwhelms us or threatens to overwhelm us.  Remembering to do it, when under big stress, will get easier as we cultivate new pathways daily.   I know this, but the stress makes it difficult to remember.... living in the amygdala shuts down higher thinking.  Is paralyzing.   Breathing engages the parasympathetic nervous system (PNS) and calms down our biology..... unhooks the alarm bells so we can think and reason... problem solve again.  Center ourselves and give up expectations we can control anything outside ourselves.

There will always be chaos around us and it;s normal to want to control what we can.  Learning to calm ourselves, as default setting, means we learn to live in the eye of the chaos.  The collective chaos is all around us,  which is more stress than normal.

T shared story of Vietnamese boat people struggling to stay alive in times of intense fear on the Sea.  If everyone despaired at once, it was the end of them.  If just ONE person remained centered and mindful... it was contagious... everyone calmed down.... like a chain reaction,  and they survived. 

If we remember we can't control anything external,  make peace with that and control what we can, then give up expectations... we're centered in our bodies and the eye of the storm. 

I'm reminding myself here... non-judgmental self-compassion..... curiosity..... releasing the stories we've held for so long.... tending to the physical sensations around the stress.... remember to breathe.

I'm strengthening my tomato garden with more tactile detail.... the prickly vines....  the feel of warm tomatoes..... along with the sight and smell...  the sound of the bugs.... that works for me.  I wonder when that will be my default: ) 

It's a good thing I had that appointment, bc last night was jarring.... disrupted sleep, self-defeating self-soothing activities.... difficulty overcoming reactivity.  It all seems so clear when I get out of fight or flight mode. 

It feels like practicing a biology hack....
a shortcut to re-centering myself, which honestly is impossible if I try to think my way out of it. I'm so grateful to have this experience and ability in my life.

Lighter





lighter

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8631
Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #124 on: March 19, 2020, 05:57:44 PM »
My sister's FIL passed away this afternoon.  It was agony in many ways, bc he'd just moved to a hospice situation in Canada..... and BIL wasn't prepared for him to go so soon.  They expected him to live another 3 months.  My sister fought like a bulldog to keep him hydrated, lucid and... it doesn't matter now.

I'm conflicted about the hospice situation but so glad he's no longer suffering. 

He was a good man.  A hard worker.  A committed family man and Grandpa.  He immigrated from Italy to Canada with zero English language skills.  He worked like 3 men on the railroad, till his legs were crushed, then he went back to work like 2 men, splitting his own wood well into his old age, making hundreds of gallons of wine for the family every year, growing food and making old-world sausages... canning food and sharing it. 

It was a very rich life. 

Nono, may you rest in peace.

 You are loved and will be missed

Farewell,
Lighter

Hopalong

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 13616
Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #125 on: March 19, 2020, 07:36:36 PM »
What an impressive man!

I'm very sorry for your sister-in-law's loss of her father.
He sounds like an amazing, richly storied character.

I'm sorry you're feeling that loss personally, too.

hugs
Hops
"That'll do, pig, that'll do."

lighter

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8631
Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #126 on: March 19, 2020, 09:21:26 PM »
Thanks, Hops.
It's the end of an era.

lighter

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8631
Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #127 on: March 20, 2020, 02:26:44 PM »
Sister and family telling Nona about Nono's death now.  She said it feels like killing kittens... so so sad.  No screaming.  Just sad crying and being held by many loved ones.

Nona has a little chest rattle and fever so doc making a house call.  It's impossible to imagine these moments in a time of strict social distancing.....  hands-on comfort and expressions of care seem vital.

For me, times like these are confusing.  Puzzling logistics leaves me exhausted and feeling defeated.  Normal solutions are problematic and perhaps deadly. 

My elderly neighbor left his father in an Ohio hospice.  I haven't called to check on those neighbors yet.   I'm afraid words of comfort will fail. I'm afraid I won't have any words of comfort, but I can listen. 

That's likely better than any words or platitudes I might otherwise offer.   

They aren't alone.

Lighter

Twoapenny

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3740
  • Becoming
Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #128 on: March 20, 2020, 03:31:40 PM »
Oh, Lighter, I'm so sorry to read this.  It's such a sad time and so difficult to 'carry on as normal' when such tragedy occurs.  I don't think it's the words that comfort, I think it's the fact that people care enough to offer them?  And I do think sometimes a nice card that can be read over and over can help.  I'm sorry you've lost Nono and for the elderly chap in the hospice.  Sending much love xx xx

lighter

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8631
Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #129 on: March 23, 2020, 09:22:45 PM »
Thank you, Tupp. 

Light

lighter

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8631
Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #130 on: March 24, 2020, 07:58:16 PM »
Today it gently rained nonstop.  The moss is happy and green.  I would have pulled weeds, but I didn't want to be in the rain today.  Sometimes I do.

Walking meditation for me today was cleaning the kitchen.  I mean...  I cleaned under the stove, put away clean pots and pans sitting out for days which requires organization.... cleaned floors and counters which means things get cleaned deep into corners and rinsed.

I and clean fridge out tomorrow....  Thursday is trash day.  Groceries coming Friday.... or so I think.  T appointment and I should have written down what I wanted to talk about bc there was something... and now I'm drawing a blank.   

I think my bra is too tight to think clearly. 

Yup, that was it.  I remember now.

Lighter

   

Twoapenny

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3740
  • Becoming
Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #131 on: March 25, 2020, 02:48:03 AM »
Today it gently rained nonstop.  The moss is happy and green.  I would have pulled weeds, but I didn't want to be in the rain today.  Sometimes I do.

Walking meditation for me today was cleaning the kitchen.  I mean...  I cleaned under the stove, put away clean pots and pans sitting out for days which requires organization.... cleaned floors and counters which means things get cleaned deep into corners and rinsed.

I and clean fridge out tomorrow....  Thursday is trash day.  Groceries coming Friday.... or so I think.  T appointment and I should have written down what I wanted to talk about bc there was something... and now I'm drawing a blank.   

I think my bra is too tight to think clearly. 

Yup, that was it.  I remember now.

Lighter

 

Lol, Lighter, I am bra free while on lockdown and wonder if I will be able to get back in to one when it's all over!  I find I can only wear either boots or flip flops on my feet these days as it's been so long since I wore shoes and I wonder if the same will happen with bras!

Yes, much spring cleaning and reorganising will be done in many homes, I think, my place already feels cleaner and less cluttered just because we don't have the constant in and out going on that we usually would.  Having time and headspace to think is helping with that as well.  I hope the session with T is good.  Write it down quickly in case you forget it again!  Lol xx

lighter

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8631
Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #132 on: March 25, 2020, 11:42:33 AM »
I'm all about boots and sandals, Tupp.


Lighter: )

lighter

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8631
Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #133 on: March 25, 2020, 02:17:24 PM »
Appointment with T today a good one.

It's difficult to widen one's gaze to the point of BEING the sky watching clouds go by. 

It comes and goes.  Main message....

just let the clouds be..... 
just let it be.

Breathe.

 The mind wants to work on those things and will IF we allow it..
like a self-cleaning oven....
 the clouds will turn to mist and be gone.

Refusing to give our attention to the worrisome things means we free our minds up to focus on being present....breathing... allowing the brain to function as it was meant to.

Looking down on the world and what we label as good and bad gives us the ability to just notice them without judgment, which is really really REALLY hard sometimes for me. 

I understand latching onto the negative/evil/bad stories means we're less capable of responding.  This I understand.  This makes sense. 

The world will always have light and dark.   There can be no other way.  Accepting that, accepting we can't control or change it..... learning to change the way we see it is all we can do and that brings more peace and happiness in our consciousness.  More peace and happiness in one person's consciousness is a part of everything... we aren't separate.

It's not easy to keep this in focus but...
all we can do is work on ourselves and internal worlds.

I asked about the Tibetan idea of the afterlife and there was much about hot boiling caldrons of oil, and of being beaten BEFORE suffering the hot cauldron of oil, and many many levels of torment and punishment that did go on.  At some point we talked about the hells on earth.  I'm still not clear on the original question and answers but am positive the amazing feeling of dropping into awareness..... of the joy and smiles it brings to my face, is something I wish to expand on and cultivate, particularly during this time.

I can do THAT.

I have a couple of books I plan to get to... Budhha brain being one.

T saw the yard and what I work on.... she didn't realize the yard is all moss, every inch of it.  One of my favorite things in the yard is cleaning up edges and borders.  Today is sunny and mild and breezy and THAT's what I'm going to do for a couple hours..... I consider it a treat. 
 
Lighter



 




Twoapenny

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3740
  • Becoming
Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #134 on: March 25, 2020, 03:14:13 PM »
I'm all about boots and sandals, Tupp.


Lighter: )

Lol, I thought that said boobs and sandals :)  Lol xx