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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #615 on: July 18, 2021, 12:35:12 PM »
That makes sense.
A lot of sense.

Maybe I reacted over-strongly because you write so evocatively that it goes between my ribs and triggers my own tendencies toward the thing I'm worrying you about.

Busted. I was projecting.

(Who was it who just got involved in trying to initiate rescue of bruised woman? Hah. I guess the improvement was, I was signalling OTHER people closer to her to get started...but if I were as young and strong as you, I'd probably have waded directly into it myself, CoD flag a-flying.)

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« Reply #616 on: July 18, 2021, 01:32:37 PM »
Hops, I see my NEED to nurture people who have nurtured others their entire adult lives while being brutalized in the court system, in their homes by abusive partners, DIMed by FOOs who should know better, but don't.

To express understanding and attune to that experience is instinct for me, likely bc I have such utter resistance to bullshit and drama, by the grace of whatever force us behind it.  I don't enjoy the show.  I see no benefit to chaos and wonder how people evolved to have such capacity for manufacturing, as well as tolerating it.  It's black and white for me.  Crystal clear.  Clarity and knowing lives here.

The older I get the more I see it and it never makes sense past understanding we've failed another generation, not protected, not trained up.... we've left then grow up around us, left them to be poisoned by the last generation our culture and communities who believe the ad campaigns, politicians, "news" outlets and Western docs. 

I'm not upset, overtly, by that statement.  It's easier to wrap my head around poisonings rather than evil, demonic behaviors, systems and people, in general.

We're poisoned, mind, body and spirit...as a culture and we're pretty set in our ways. 

Complicit and satisfied in my general community.....afraid to lose what is coveted....material things and status....perceived safety they understand isn't enjoyed by all, but hey....what's cha gonna do, right?

I see a need for maternal energy and healing.
 From our failing education system to how we care for our elderly....our medical system based on breaking down health and treating symptoms with poison further breaking down health and it has to be ok....just as it is.

When we're ready to face causes and address solutions it will be a different generation than the ones who created the.....
That's kind of crazy.  People have always been broken/poisoned.

The poisoned greediest rise as often as the healers/ fixers to positions of power, ime.

There will come a generation who tolerates the greed and destructive processes less and they'll identify and fix or fail.  Likely a bit of both.

I do feel toxic masculinity is being diminished, even if it's the toxins reducing testosterone and sperm counts behind it....this next generation seems a bit puzzled by things our generation perpetuate, struggle with and are crushed by, still.  It gives me hope.

I'm hopeful.

When more people care about the health of the whole....systems, societies, planet, things will gently tip toward healed and understanding our children can't thrive in a world where we allow the children of others to be harmed, hunted in their own homes and too often go hungry.

Schools will improve.  Hopefully better people will run and get elected for all the good reasons you can think of.  Systems will hire more carefully (CFS, law enforcement, officers of the court,etc) and accountability will appear as a choice we make more often till it's the norm.

Tipping scales.

I can't imagine how difficult it will be, bc I won't have to witness it likely.  I'll be gone and I will have raised individuals capable of critical thinking ...of seeing through eyes unclouded by bias and hate. Ya.  That's gonna happen. Not being sarcastic. Nope nope nope.

I just oiled a squeaky hinge I've put up with for 6 years, now?  It suddenly appeared to me, I got the WD-40 out, made a mess, cleaned it up and the squeek be fixed.  A miracle or just the way humans work.  The latter, ime.

That's how the world will get fixed.  People are noticing the breaks and failed systems.  People aren't evil.  People are human and poisoned to every degree in every way they can be, ime.

I'll appreciate a world identifying poisoned people and not judging them....just noticing and looking behind to see how and where that poisoning took place.  On who's watch?  How did it happen?  What systems failed?

There will be collateral damage as those systems are assessed and addressed....but at least it's forward movement in hope and healing. 

And I do have hope. I've seen and received it's grace when people doing the right thing, bc it was right, made hard choices for me.  Not bc it was their job or they were suppose to.....just bc it was right and someone raised them right enough to see straight or helped them along the way, somehow, bc it was the right thing to do.....not bc it was their job or they had to.

Accountability and reckoning just makes sense in a world where it's possible, imo.

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #617 on: July 18, 2021, 02:57:57 PM »
PREACH!
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« Reply #618 on: July 18, 2021, 06:05:36 PM »
We ended up staying in on this drizzly day and not drive through the storms. Every attempt to feed my friend has created more pain and trauma for her, bc she forgot her Gerd meds AND is on her second day of flare up.....I forget what she calls it. Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.  That's it.

She can barely walk her legs are weak and now she can't swallow food..... It wants to come back up!  She's been poisoned by a "normal" American diet....and she's suffering.  I can do nothing, but wait to drive her to her car.  Wait to see if she's diabet I or II.  Cancerous or benign.  Wait to see another Nutrition Response Practitioner.  Wait to see what else is wrong.

In the meantime....tending to self care, my children...my business. Pug. Lake. Island. Home. 

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« Reply #619 on: July 19, 2021, 08:06:19 AM »
I'm trying to figure out why I feel so very daunted by friend's health troubles and I think I figured it out.

In my family teeth, eyes....SO important.

I'm pushing her up a hill to get care and she is.  Just had dental done.  DD20 and I will move mountains to get her vision squared away.


The food struggle.....rides me hard on my best day.  That friend can't swallow it....is......reminding me off struggle DD19 and food.  My mother dying if cancer and food.  Years of struggle with DD20 and food.

There's a part of me still screaming
About
Food

Still screaming about what we're told is food.

Friend's Gerd flips me upside down and face to face with FOOD screaming and gnashing of teeth.  And her docs gave her reflux meds for years that failed her.  It's her esophageal seal.... it's food and lifestyle choices Western docs are willfully ignorant of.  Throw drugs at her, see what happens.  And then they changed the drugs and they help so she keeps doing what created the problem.....
My inner landscape isn't calm right now AND I don't have my supps bc friend didn't want to spend night.... we've been away nights and without her meds.

This feeling is familiar.  I know this dance. 

I knew better.  Made better plans then contorted myself and plans to gain her compliance to get her the glasses and here we are.

I don't make stupid plans.  I think things through and SEE down the road.  It's what I do.  Letting struggling people call the shots isn't working fore.  People who can't or won't look down the road......I have to put my big girl pants on and point them at people!!!!!!

::Smoothing panties::.

Yes, well.....I feel better now.

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #620 on: July 19, 2021, 08:20:08 AM »
Ping.

For me, that maternal energy is known as simple human kindness. There does need to be more of it I agree. But, it does have boundaries, that stop before you start harming yourself trying to save everyone else; whereas I see maternal energy being an unconditional infinite kindness. Maybe I'm offbase. But maybe they are two different things.

Hol is the kind of Capricorn that collects stray animals and people. But these days she's wearing a different kind of cape -- and on her own, is learning to "take the cape off". Because she's needing to focus on herself more.

Another similarity I'm seeing between what you've written and what I observe about Hol, is that you both occasionally make a huge leap in your thought process from what actually exists in the present moment to every single possibility of what MIGHT happen way in the future -- but you experience it as being your present. Good and bad equally. Again - not saying that's actual; just my observation.

I'm closer to Hops' way of thinking about mortality, these days. We're intimate friends. But more than that - since so much of my past story and issues over it were directly zero'd in on one emotion (grief) - I've spent a lot of time sorting out the instinct to run as fast and far away from grief as I can; shut it all down and go cold - even if that means shutting down the ability to access any other emotions. That's how terrified I was of feeling deep grief. And confused about what it really was. Until I enforced my solitude after Mike, just to go through the actual grieving process at my own speed, in my own way... and the truth is, m'dear - I may never completely let go of processing that. Another large chunk did get released only recently. He died 6 years ago. I have some WIP theories on that and am OK with it.

I think we get some weird ideas about grief. About losing parts of ourselves; being forever changed (well YEAH; every little thing we experience pushes us one way or another in our lives); and even not willing to allow ourselves to feel love ever again -- for fear of experiencing another loss and prolonged grief. Fear has a way of inhibiting a person's perception of choices/possibilities, that's all consuming and debilitating. Getting lost in a mental decision loop for instance... for fear of not choosing the "right" option.

As a culture, I've noticed since I was a child that we humans hold a lot of strange ideas about death/grief in general and it bugs me. Like there is a "better more complete understanding" -- and I haven't found the right words to explain what I see.

Anyway - those are the thoughts these recent posts brought up for me. Pick through and feel free to take what you need from it. Seems my blathering mood from yesterday is still around...

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« Reply #621 on: July 19, 2021, 08:47:14 AM »
The truth, Amber, I'm a bit terrified I'll outlive my sibs and be the only one left, besides my ex PD SIL ( who I consider emotionally treacherous and sometimes physically dangerous) to lead this family, be there, alone, for all 5 of our children and grandchildren.

I have always been at peace with death, except the being murdered while my children were young and in harm's way stuff.  ThAT was impossible to make peace with, unfortunately, but kids are grown now.

I don't want to bury sibs, but we noneoif us live forever.  Ok. 

I really don't want to feel alone as head of the family, particularly bc my brother's kids have been influenced by their mother's need to destroy me AND their father's old combative pov regarding me ( his conflicted view of who he thought I am....my hoarding mother) that I'm a raging hippie who ruined my children's lives with her beliefs and choices.  Neither is true, but his perception was such his kids have absorbed these ideas about us.  They also have very rigid/biased views about homosexuality bordering on cruel/ bullying/God's sending them to hell, etc.  That's terrifying, bc it's an interpersonal deal breaker.  I can't abide it.

I collaborate....want to work with others.  I don't want to lead, truthfully.

THAT is my real turmoil. 

As I internalize the kids growing up I'll calm down around this.

I'll do what I can, release expectation and get on with it.

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« Reply #622 on: July 19, 2021, 06:06:31 PM »
I drove my friend to the lake house so she could drive home.  She has the biopsy tomorrow.

We were plenty ready to be away from each other.  Lots of honesty and compassionate sharing going on..... she's so very ill. 

I notice I'm feeling very sturdy boundaries around that relationship.  I appreciated her honesty.....as CB said, she tends to hide behind her southern charm....pretending all is well, but that all dropped away, thankfully.

I'm ok with anything she chooses.  I don't need her to make any particular choices.  I'll support her journey, more or less as I can, whatever happens.

Emotional distance is a jelly filled buffer of relief and choices, ime.


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« Reply #623 on: July 19, 2021, 11:50:35 PM »
My T and I got a bit closer the other day.
She was pressing me to "go deeper" into some of the grief and pain she knows lives within me (among other, including strong and lively, things).

I kept resisting. She looked discouraged.

I finally told her the truth: "I am more frail than I talk about." Then she got it.

I think there's sometimes a taboo about feeling frail, or being weak.
Yet sometimes that's the truth. Sometimes humans are. There are Amazons of the mind who lack will and physical strength or discipline or have had scary health things happen. Doesn't mean I won't get stronger again, but at a given point, it can be the truth. Anxiety, perfectionism, unhealed stuff, feeling alone, over-responsible, and more. All that can weaken one.

She was pressuring me a bit and I was getting mild chest pain in response.
I knew it was because of the pressure and knew I would be okay, but needed not to "dive" just then. I was glad she respected my response, because it was me taking care of myself.

So I understand that kind of fear. The 3-D effects of anxiety. But also the knowledge that our core self is anchored beyond our fears, and we will always be able to find our way back to her. Build her up again after too many forces seem to overwhelm us. Find our mind-strength again. Work that out, too.

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« Reply #624 on: July 20, 2021, 09:45:10 AM »
Ah, I see Lighter.
I'm of a collaborative sort myself. I've always gotten the best results of attempts to do things, by including others - hearing out their views/ideas - and what they would do in my shoes.

Because like it or not; seek it or not; I got shanghai'd into the leadership role by default when the company transferred to my bro & I. And then, there's the farm and the long investment & development process which requires input from more hands and creative minds.

Collaboration is how I lead. Think King Arthur; not Ghenghis Khan. Yes, in the end, I have to be responsible for the big decisions. But, when I present my image of it -- and let everyone else tell me theirs - with me validating the positives presented - when I've made the decision, I hand it back to people to execute. I delegate, so I'm not in the middle of trying to manage "how" something happens. And people also have leeway to make their own decisions, within the roles that belong to them, inside some parameters. I would despise this role, if I felt I had to dictate. The reality is, things go smoother and easier through collaboration rather than "proclaiming it shall be so" from on high.

That makes me one of the team; the team captain rather than the owner or coach. People can lead within their area of focus or expertise throughout the team.

It's the only style of leadership I know, that has decent odds of succeeding. And with Hol accepting the "second in command" role - both to back me up and set me straight when I ramble off into the weeds somewhere - it's not ALL on my shoulders. Yes there are times I just want to run away from it all; hand it off; not deal with it. But the collaboration style means that it doesn't all hinge or wait on me to make a decision or do something.

It will help if you can identify someone in that group of kids/grandkids with the ability and characteristics to take on the leader role too - if not immediately, then in the future. We've done the same with the guy in charge position at the shop. It's time for the "new guy" to start up and giving him a chance to get his feet wet with more responsibility.

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« Reply #625 on: July 20, 2021, 10:20:55 AM »
I think it's different from my side of the economic fence,
because a complex real estate portfolio would just demand leadership.
But I avoid thinking of individuals as the "leaders" of families.
Don't really want to.

I'll see people being stronger in different aspects of functions a
family needs. That's collaboration....

I don't like the notion of a family "leader", I think, because there are
a lot of negative associations in my head with power. A lot of them
religious and sexist, etc.

I don't fear dynamic, inspiring, organized, leadership really.
I do fear (sometimes) people who are too comfortable with power.
Learned that from life with M, I think.

I must be a socialist. LOL.

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« Reply #626 on: July 20, 2021, 11:40:53 AM »
I thnk you are a socialist, Hops.  It's OK to be what you are.

About your T pushing you when you were having chest pains....... my T did quite a bit of pushing too.  At the point I just couldn't get on with the process she'd always always always take me back to the moment, do the body scan, find the pain/pressure/upset, put words to it, measure it, breathe into it, create expansiveness around it to calm my nervous system then go on with the hard work, if we had time, or put a pin in it for next time.

My experience with processing the stuck/sticky/reactive places in me'brain pan is that I can't do it without shifting into access to my frontal lobe...... to re experience the trauma with my whole brain, capable of processing the trauma, filing it in my historic files and releasing it completely...... so it's no longer slamming around in my brain.

If you can't return to your safe space, inside yourself..... if you haven't created that safe space...which Doc G seems to be able to help his clients with too..... then the brain remains in fight or flight, denied access to creativity/logic/problem solving ability...... which creates more trauma, ime.

And frustration.

Trusting a T to take you into the darkest, scariest, most terrifying places...... trusting her to teach you how to integrate your brain so large shifts can be managed....processed...... so the brain can do what it does with efficiency every moment of every day....but do it with the stuff stuck,bc trauma shut down the parts of our brain responsible for performing those functions..... works, IME.

However we get there... whoever teaches us....makes us feel safe enough, teaches us we carry that safe place within......
that person will be the person who SEEs our tantrumming inner toddler without judgment..... sans frustration....without attempting to push that toddler, but instead recognizes that toddler can't do the work, could never and HELPS calm her...... SEEs her pain and validates her.......

then moves into accessing the adult capable of helping the inner toddler experience the trauma in a way that doesn't shut the brain down over and over again....... but experiences the trauma with all the tools and processing ability required to finish and file.  It takes a fraction of a second to process, but learning HOW to calm our brains.... how to create a safe, inner sanctuary....how to forgive ourselves for failing to find it....how to  keep returning to our inner sanctuary over and over as we practice, fail, learn and grow INTO that space as it becomes familiar inner landscape is relief and proces I've experienced.

It makes sense to me now.  It didn't always,but I noticed feeling very out of sorts last night  over a couple things.  Mostly my father's caretaker situation. 

I learned a lot while dealing with my friend's visit. Borders and boundaries became apparent and suddenly very solid for me this morning.  I noticed feeling more grounded and responsive, but this morning it was like...... there were fences and boundaries of the right size, at the right distance and thickness and very importantly...... flexibility.  There are no perfect boundaries. They will shift and fail and be rebuilt and that's OK.  I'm safe, at home, in my body and mind.  There's nothing outside me required to FEEL safe.  I carry it within myself and I can conjure it...... I think it might be in my awareness always, at this point,but I'm just paying attention to how I'm feeling today. 

I woke up feeling very....... "normal" I guess.  Just fine as I am.  Safe and emotionally distanced,which has not been the case most of my life.

What I really noticed this morning, as I hummed Johny Cash, did laundry, measured vanity heights, handles and toilets...... I have a process.  I turn easily toward the paperwork and math and puzzle pieces of the unsolved problems IF I HONOR my process.

My sister use to want to shove me along her NEED TO DO IT NOW agenda.  And I just shut down.  Once she figured out she couldn't DO that and get the response she desired...she backed off.  I stepped up.  I started to set agendas and get things done,but it was a really tough time. 

I used to think of my sister and mother as energy vampires,bc I would just fold.....and dissociate I realize now.   They were so driven... type A's...... with good intentions,but with zero attention to my process,my needs,my feelings for so long.  It was difficult to SEE it, deal with it,but we did and now I have more information about allowing myself to have my process without judgment.

All the shoulds are big red flags I'm shutting myself down by not honoring the way I need to do things.

Dropping judgment has been so helpful. 

Maybe it'smy inner toddler moving through this process.  I can picture myself sitting at a desk scribbing cursive eeeees over and over, pretnding to be doing business.... very busy.... so happy..... and she has things she wants to do now, so I let her double check things, touch things, enjoy things then move on to the big girl work of solving math problems and paperwork, but she can't face those things and I, apparently, am going to make peace and stop trying to force her.

Shifting my biochemistry...... returning home, again and again...not judging when I shift back into fight or flight, but just noticing and paying attention....... means I see more puzzle pieces.  Means I have access to problem solving brain to fit them together and finish them...... put them away..... out of my brain so I move into new emotional landscape and possibility.

What I wasn't capable of yesterday is possible today.....and it feels like I'm a tank, turning to face whatever it is I choose to face, stay focused on, seek out to address....... and that's curious to me. Why a tank?  Sort of odd,but also grounded, subtstantial....... neutral yet capable of responding, protecting, moving.

Heck, just noticing my angry inner toddler has popped up has become calm revelation.  Allowing her to have a tantrum is about choosing to allow it, without judgment.  I realize I have the ability to tend to her, calm her down and deal with whatever created that reactivity..... if I choose. Sometimes I do. It's about practicing, returning home, being curious and knowing the traumatic stuff requires my attention too. As difficult as it it.  As painful as it can be....... the process is more familiar, I trust completely...myself....... and I know the hard stuff can be dealt with and put out of my misery if I continue trusting and returning home.

And I don't ever want to be a boss.  I'm always collaborative in spirit. 

That was a long post.

Amber:

I don't want to be alone, the last of my generation, all prior generations gone....me standing on my own...... the one charged with keeping the family strong and together.....the one honoring traditions......... helping everyone endure and live beyond loss of parents and uncles/aunts.  That's very sad to contemplate and my inner toddler pushes it away quickly.   Reactively.

Once I calm myself I see exactly how I've handled these things in the past and I trust myself to handle them, come what may..... it willbe OK.  I know this. 

But the toddler doesn't and so I help her feel safe and to recover.  Help her trust and rest.

It's all about recognizing the reactivity, returning to myself, tending to the toddler and fear.....helping her feel secure and safe enough to rest for longer periods and trust an adult is in charge, always present.... she doensn't have to feel alone anymore.  I guess at some point she'll remain at rest and won't be popping up anymore?

Not sure,but I'm curious to find out.

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« Reply #627 on: July 20, 2021, 12:25:34 PM »
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to re experience the trauma with my whole brain, capable of processing the trauma, filing it in my historic files and releasing it completely...... so it's no longer slamming around in my brain.

That lands for me, Lighter. Maybe in an opposite way. I do NOT want to re-experience the trauma. I have mostly released it, but just don't have the belief that I can have it no longer in my brain. I think it's because my D is a permanent resident in my heart despite everything. To keep her from causing further harm, I do have a "sealed" place in my heart for her. I feel as though the injury is my responsibility to protect from re-damage, if that makes sense. And although I understand the dive all the way into it again approach, I'm not fully convinced it is always, always healing and nondestructive.

Another thing that's chiming a little, and worrisome, is that I know on some level I'm not fully engaged or benefitting from my T. She's a lovely, compassionate person and definitely wants to heal me. At the same time, we are so out of sync in our thinking pace that I often feel she doesn't get it. She does think and react very very slowly, while I'm working hard to find stillness but still my mind works very fast. I'm processing and narrating a LOT in a short amount of time, and often when I look at her I just think, she's not with me and maybe just can't catch up.

I'm working intentionally to slow down and meet her where she is. I know there are good lessons for me in finding stillness. It's never going to be my primary response to life but I know I need more of it. So I keep hanging in with her and waiting for full trust in her perceptions. She presents thoughts that I often think of as very very obvious and therefore unhelpful, so I feel discouraged that she's able to get into deeper levels of nuance. But I don't want to be a bulldozer toward her either.

We might be a mismatch, no harm no foul, but I'm reluctant to give up and change Ts again. That's just so exhausting I can't contemplate it. I like and respect her and know she means well. I am just not confident enough to give her the keys to my vulnerability, because when she doesn't grasp things, despite her good intentions, I think that could be risky to my inner safety. I'm just a bit slower in this T relationship to get all the way open. We'll see what pans out.

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« Reply #628 on: July 20, 2021, 02:56:30 PM »
When I posted to you, Hops, I was of course looking into my own T's eyes...... being seen, not always trusting or feeling safe.... being lead INTO created safety between us.... convinced at my own pace, in a new way she presented after I failed to understand what she was asking me to do/face/understand...... many times. 

And that was the key for me.  To look into compassionate eyes needing nothing from me.  Perfectly content to hold my gaze and present information, pull back, present again, pul back, present again until she reached me.

I know she couldn't have done that IF her ego had been involved. There would have been frustration and some urgency to get me to the point she was corralling me to, IME.  I would have seen sadness, perhaps hopelessness or fear...... maybe even a little anger as I failed to process the things she felt I SHOULD be getting by now...... things she NEEEEEEDED me to get, but Ijust kept going round and round with,and Idid spend some time going round particularly painful bushes, believe me.

The main thing I took awAy, after those sessions, was the feeling you may be having now...... that I was perhaps not using my time with the T in the most productive way. Wasn't moving forward to justify the time and expense........ but I always believed I could and kept going back after processing alone. 

I understand what I did with her couldn't have been accomplished with the other Ts I spent time with.  I understand why.  It makes it easy for me to give you opinions about your situation, but your situation is YOUR situation. 

What worked for me might not in any way work for you.

I do feel there are necessary components to relationship with a T:
The T needs to be doing her own work, completely remove ego and expectation from the patient/T relationship.
The frustration your T is showing you......would have shut me down and stopped the work I was trying to do, IME.

And I hear you about putting yourself through old traumas again...... maybe not being necessary.  Certainly, the idea of turning to face them, on purpose, seems couterintuitive...unsafe.... unlikely to lead someplace better.  I SO get that.  I do.

My experience, however, has lead to relief and release from old traumas, processing and coping with new trauma as it happens and curating the skills I need to help my brain remain integrated and processing traumatic events so they don't get lodged and stuck anymore.

The one last necessary component in T/client relationship was my living in discomfort so long I was willing to do anything, face anything to get myself OUT of that discomfort. 

Re experiencing past trauma...... the hardest of the traumas........ seemed a small price to pay for deliverance for them.  Perhaps not in the moments, when I waivered and flinched and snarked and sniped, which I certainly did, time and again with my calm, patient T, bless her.

She let me.  She didn't judge it, any of it,. though there were times she expressed what she COULD see for me if I chose it. She never insisted or was dissapointed. Rather, she was the bravest mirror I've ever faced.  Unflinching.  Unwavering. So brave.  Never ever ever surprised or shocked, and I must say......I became brave enough to speak my turhts, ALL my truths, no matter how shocking, unladylike or frightening.... she heard it all. Even the stuff I'd been afraid to say to myself......... she received it and reflected compassuion and deep abiding understading back to me...... her eyes sometimes brought me to tears just to make eye contact.  So intimate. So difficult to do, at first.  If I could have I would have worn my sunglasses in those sessions as I'd surely worn them with other Ts.....I don't honestly remember, but I do know it was new and hard and frustrating to learn how, practice and come to a place where I looked forwrad to it.  Felt embraced and safe and lead....never pushed or pulled. 

Eventually the lessons and words fit into my life, like puzzle pieces.  I didn't understant them when first introduced, but could.  THOSE lessons slid into place and stayed.  Not perfectly, but it was a miracle to experience it once.  Having it come around and around, some lessons solidifying, some coming round again and again, becomingmore familiar.....less alien..... some just sliding into place during a session and dissapearing so I doubted the pain/stuckness/pressure requiring the lesson in the first place.

If you feel you aren't moving ahead with this T, it could be time to take a break.  I've taken a break from a T I adore.  Sometimes I don't have anything "big" enough to justicy spending the money.  It's a theme for me.  I work on feeling worthy and I do feel more worthy now. 

I was going to have a discussion with my father's caretaker sooner than later, but I'll wait and have it after I see my T next session, bc I can and I feel I'll have more peace around that discussion. I so want to feel serentiy around that person.  It feels like my upper spine flys apart when I try to make sense of all my experiences and feelings.  There's anger.  Logic and problem solving skills slip away and then I'm floundering.... trying to remember how to get back my whole integrated brain BACK,which means I have to let go of the thing I so badly want to resolve. 

I'm still learning how to remember and use tools so I can go BACK and finish problem solving trauma/injustice/etc........ and it's truly about reactivity for me, noticing and returning home, to myself. 

When I'm flipped I CAN'T understand sometimes.... and I can't convince myself I can.  That's when I notice I've made a choice about it, where I used to be stuck in despair I felt HAD ME.

Now I understand that despair is fear and I can't talk or logic my way out of it....thinking just makes it more difficult to shake off, IME.

It's going back to myself and I can't explain it any better than that.  Just that I trust enough to know how it works, that it works, that it leads to feeling better and deliverance even though reptilian brain is screaming to back away, turn away, STOPSTOPSTOPSTOP!!!

I had to do it in order to believe it could be done.  There was always  a leap of faith involved and sometimes I was shocked when relief swept over me or something shifted or it felt like blinds were fluttering in my lungs with power..... reactivity I was struggling with, hard, suddenly evaporated.   It's always seemed to be fear at the bottom of whatever comes up, IME.

However you process and take yourself down your path, that will be your way, Hops.

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #629 on: July 21, 2021, 11:03:28 AM »
I'm off this morning.  My body isn't happy.... shoulder and back.  Right ankle.  There's no flow.  I have to pay bills and that's enough to throw me off, but it's where my focus is or isn't, rather.

The bug guy is here and it feels weird where it used to feel very friendly.  He looks as though he's been very ill.  I'm guessing somethng he doesn't want to share.  His face is creased and sunken, where it used to be full..... his eyes don't want to meet mine. Just very odd.  There's centipedes taking over the basement... each female lays up to 300 eggs.  Each egg can have up to 1000 babies.  YIKES! Time to get those crack in the patio filled. 

And...am I off?  Or is this just me going through the machanics of remembering and deploying new coping strategies.  Maybe this is normal?  Worrying about a person I connected with whose lost weight and seems broken in a way he's ashamed about?

Maybe normal will be NOT getting knocked off center.  As of now, Istill get knocked off center.

Lighter