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Re: Farm Doin's - 2020
« Reply #525 on: November 03, 2020, 10:37:57 AM »
Just popped in, ((Amber)) so happy to read your update.

1st.....the sharing and time alone sound amazing and I know long awaited. Keep those moments as close to yourself as needed.  You don't owe anyone any version...none at all, imo. 

THIS is your journey.  Your relationship.  Private and intimately your own.

About adopting a child together,
there's much work, joy and discovery for B and you before adding another person to this great unfolding, imo.

I imagine empty nesting will be super hard, for B and me and so many.  I will try not to touch the frog here.....take your time.  You have a relationship to build.  Yourself IN that relationship to get to know, and B has the same mission.

I imagine the lack if chaos in his life is a bit jarring...maybe scary to face.  Throwing himself into another war might actually feel comforting to contemplate for him....dealing with the social services, a child's pain and trauma, etc.....it would take everyone's eye off the ball, and onto a great unknown focus.

However maternal and amazing that is...
you have unfinished business to tend to.

I do worry a bit about B standing still for a moment.....I wonder if he can. 

He deserves to stop and breathe and ficus on who he is now, with you, and as empty nester warrior learning to join with an amazing peer companion warrior....

and just BE, for a while.

I sense he's grounded in protecting and saving others.  Maybe exploring that aspect, a bit, through the lense of codependence and having more choices, if it seems appropriate.

I'm very excited for you both, Amber.

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Re: Farm Doin's - 2020
« Reply #526 on: November 03, 2020, 10:38:02 AM »
That is lovely, Amber. And moving.
Thanks for sharing this.
Love is in the room.

As to adoption, yikes. My brain came up with:

Start a metal shop apprenticeship for young teens.
Foster dogs.
Mentor/help a kid or sibling pair in a local public school. The poorest two.
Figure out an entrepreneurship idea and teach it locally to a kid.
Give free drawing/painting lessons to poor local kids.

Find out where the greatest local need is that you and B could
volunteer for together that affects children, and do that. If he's craving fathering.

Dunno, but a man with great physical challenges who's retirement age
might be getting on a bit to be weighing adoption? Fostering, though,
could make a lot of sense, imo. He could explore foster grandparenting.

This is the time when a couple in love just lets the wild ideas rip. And needs most
to hear anything and let it all fly. However....whatever the emotional bonding ideas/dreams are, keep those toes muddy.

Last thought: I would worry if you get A&B involved with adoption. And why is a plan for Hol coming up? Boundaryboundaryboundary. I wouldn't bring it up, press it forward, or come up with workarounds or strategies why y'all can be exceptions to the usual screening expectations. Just because Hol might want a child doesn't mean it's a great idea for her to acquire one. Remember her actual mental health and addiction risks and judgement and reactions to things. She might not be stable enough even if she did pass screenings. Nothing evil about that but lord...adding in that "project" might be not good for her or for you or A&B, much less for a child.

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Re: Farm Doin's - 2020
« Reply #527 on: November 03, 2020, 04:27:03 PM »
Hey Hops.... slow down. We are a long ways away from all that. I think B was just testing the waters with an idea. Stinker was being his sweet little self and super cuddly on my lap. Seeing me that way - likely popped the idea in his head. As for Hol - I meant my comments in relation to the age difference. She would be just as likely to vigorously reject and criticize any such idea suggested to her - and certainly is beyond being persuaded or pressured into anything. (Albeit there is still the S situation for her to sort out.) At least, that was the only time adoption was brought up/discussed... so while I intuit a lot of things about why it did... I fully understand I could be wrong in it. I just know now, that there might be some past experiences that might've prompted the question of me. And it's part & parcel of the relationship shifting into more serious territory. (Love some of those ideas on your list!)

Lighter, I think I can negotiate him into moderating this habit of his that he's gotten into, living alone. I made a point to let him know, that I'm needing some maintenance, too.  ;)  He's receptive and sweetly responsive when I say things like that - without any weirdness tacked onto it.  He might be afraid of what would run through his head or what he'd feel... if he didn't stay busy. He might not too. Some people just like being constantly busy; it's their style of being - it's not good or bad - and there isn't any need to change it UNLESS it does result in neglecting a partner's need for connection. It's a good sign that he welcomes my participation and responds to my prompting him back from "the zone". He's absolutely unused to having to consider his partner in the balance & rhythm of work/leisure. It feels awkward for him a bit; that's obvious. I'm pretty flexible these days - but with age comes that need to eat/sleep on a fairly regular schedule. So we'll see how flexible he is, too. OH... and I have my own things like that, that need to adapt out of consideration for a partner too. I've rather enjoyed the years I could just suit myself, but not enough that I need to make it an issue. There will be some definite "me breaks" with B; and that will be fine with him. As much as we enjoy being together - we each have some strengths that were developed in solitude.

All my impressions and intuitions are just that - based on what I perceive, in some cases confirmed by direct communication - but perhaps not everything, in detail just yet. The validity of the relationship doesn't necessarily hinge on those impressions/intuitions... because eventually we DO end up talking about everything; it's just a little at a time. I'm trying to keep those things I might intuit in the "not yet validated/proven" category. Even when a lot of the time, it does bear out. But for myself, I can't let myself think that my intuition is absolutely spot-on, without that verbal confirmation. I've been wrong ENOUGH times I won't let myself believe I'm right just on the basis of perception/intuition.

Oh - who mentioned physical challenges? He's been without the pain mask (stimulator/pump) completely for a couple weeks now. I didn't notice it being an obstacle for him at all. He said there was one point, his leg gave out on him and he is going to begin lobbying DOD - who wrote him the Rx - to also supply the recommended knee brace that no one else has available. He's almost completely off pain meds, too. There was one night his back flared up and he took something and slept on the couch instead of tossing & turning. He doesn't realize I'm not that easy to wake up.  ;)
And his infection markers are down 50% now too - and he's still taking the antibiotics. I honestly can't keep up with the man. Wears me out.
IMO, at his age, he is the furthest thing from decrepit I've seen in a LOOOOONNNNNNNGGGG time.
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Re: Farm Doin's - 2020
« Reply #528 on: November 04, 2020, 09:42:48 AM »
Rereading all this...

first description of the visit/occurances... is me just beginning to "think" about things. Telling the "what" was said/happened... all the various thoughts (which are not the same as actual decisions which are also a long way from action)... and trying to find ways to describe the feelings. There was no time to think when he was here; too busy "being" and "doing". There was plenty of time to talk, which I pretty much required, but didn't demand.

In the wide open space of solitude, one thinks all kinds of thoughts. Like what would I be doing if I were single, 25, looked like that again... etc silly day dreams - but FUN day dreams. So yes, I have thought about parenting again, and there is a special feeling when a partner will at least entertain the idea. It's not something I've experienced before. It's like an additional connection between us... a node of compatibility maybe.

Ex #1 tolerated my first pregnancy; didn't want me to go through with the second (Hol). Ex #2 was completely uninterested in being a parent - with 4 kids around. He tried, but only achieved part of the role of a father. Michael only had adult kids to interact with so it wasn't exactly "parenting" - except with his adopted D. So, when B brought up the idea, after me being stunned...

what's left in feelings is that he finds me worthy of the maternal role; he respects in me that innate characteristic. Because his former relationships didn't provide that perhaps?. And maybe that explains better what I mean about an extra connection; extra dimension to the emotions between us. That was the LAST thing I expected him to bring up. So there would be a lot of talking/discussion before any decision would be made - and it's not a requirement for him. In fact I almost expect him to be kind of relieved at not having that role forced on him - once we have a chance to revisit it. I'm pretty sure curiosity about my feelings on the topic doesn't equal ONLY something he actually WANTS to do; so this is just where I'm thinking all the thoughts about what see, hear, sense, intuit, and can piece together about the topic. And yes, I'm wild & crazy ENOUGH to at least consider why it would/wouldn't be a good idea in reality. And my feelings? Yes.... those too. (Most of our conversations are about lots more pragmatic/practical things.)

A LOT of what we talked about this trip will be revisited more than once.

Words are so damned inadequate (for me) for describing feelings. And I don't have Hops' knack for poetry which can get a lot closer; more accurately. I think in terms of processes, systems, interactions of words, gears, chronologies... which are all linear. Emotions are more like water, which can spread in all directions at once.

Yes, I'm pretty bowled over by how intense this emotional connection with B is. But my logical, practical brain hasn't stopped working leaving me a mere puppet with no autonomy. And I'm not expected to be either. In fact, that equality between us just intensifies the feelings. I don't NEED him financially, for emotional security, for anything really. And he doesn't NEED me either for all those things that indeed, truly matter, when people are younger.

What we're finding, I think, is the freedom of being together and loving and respecting each other without all those pressures added into the mix. It can be confusing and scary; it doesn't fit the programmed & conditioned patterns we grow up with. So the traditional "structural framework" of relationships to be X, Y, and Z is just irrelevant. Our roles aren't as rigidly/clearly defined out of necessity... we can take turns, there are things that individually one of us is better at - but the other CAN do almost as well. And we can enjoy the hell out taking turns and being who we are - without also having to fit into any pre-defined patterns or molds.

There is a strong healing aspect for both of us, in this. But that's still out in fuzzy feeling territory; potentially very hopeful and not actualized fully yet. He is aware of that; acknowledges it too. I fully expect we'll butt heads on some things; it's pretty much a given since we're both strong independent (read: hard-headed stubborn) cusses. But it hasn't happened yet and I'm not walking around waiting for that to happen, expecting it or testing it.

I never expected that we would "get" each other - the inner workings of each other - like we do. But it's a real thing and it's amazing. I feel different; like a weight is off my shoulders almost. It's a huge thing and my theory is there's probably a lot of moving parts to it. Yeah, it's taken time. We've sorted through a few verbal misunderstandings. Comparatively easily. This is an adventure I never really saw coming.
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Re: Farm Doin's - 2020
« Reply #529 on: November 04, 2020, 03:12:43 PM »
I'm really happy for you, (((((((Amber)))))).
So very very glad.

You deserve love.
You deserve a partner with strong arms and a good heart.

You deserve to experience trusting and being trusted.

When your world is aligned with love and goodwill, beauty comes.

I'm just so glad for you. And for B too.
The abstractions aren't telling me much (they might Twiggyize, which you don't need in this context), save that you are feeling something you have hoped to feel, receiving and giving, and not afraid.

Big smile here. Your hopeful, happy energy comes through.

Give that B a big smack on the cheek from a far-off admirer. (Or not!)

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Re: Farm Doin's - 2020
« Reply #530 on: November 05, 2020, 06:04:36 PM »
What Hops said. 

Really happy for you, Amber.
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Re: Farm Doin's - 2020
« Reply #531 on: November 10, 2020, 07:11:09 AM »
Things are as good as a person could imagine out here on the farm. Except Buck's not here and we're back to our normal distance communication routines again.

I'm fighting a cold, allergies and/or sinus crap due to the cold/windy weather we had - and now this gorgeous weather due to a high pressure system that's been parked over us. It's not horrible, but the first day of it I did just allow myself to lounge all day in my jammies in bed. Hot medicinal tea, and all the yummy food I could scrounge to shove in my face. Including the last quart of homemade chicken noodle soup I had in the freezer.

The weather - while lovely - seems weird, since a week ago when Buck was here, we had a fire going in the stove at night. Stinker is going through a growth spurt and poor Freddy has lost his patience with the little terror.

New gate is up for the driveway; he'd forgotten to make a way to latch it... found 2 horseshoes in his truck and welded those on. I like it! It's a real nice touch. Now I need some signage to orient people to the new address.

Hol has been working on the hut; painting her flights of fancy in color... dealing with 3 other kittens (one has found a home). She is kinda thinking about what her options are for employment since it appears there won't be any long enough stretches of work in production for another year yet. The job is physically/mentally taxing and she took note of all the people she worked with who were dealing with broken bodies at 50. So this "respite" at the farm to regroup has turned into a mid-life course correction.

She helped me finally hang my stained glass wolf way up high over the front door in a window and Buck's Red Deer skull & antlers he took in Scotland.

It's the time of year to deal with both my jeeps for winter; and get ready for snow season - if it ever comes. Buck filled my kindling rack when he was here... So except for cleaning up that patio there isn't much to do. I looked at the push mower Hol said was making a weird noise... and the oil is really low. I hope that's all it is. All the gas tanks on equipment need treatment for the winter; and stowed away; tires inflated, etc.

And I'm wracking my brain trying to choose presents for people for the holidays already.
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Re: Farm Doin's - 2020
« Reply #532 on: November 10, 2020, 12:36:18 PM »
I just picked up the Yukon ,break work, and my water pump sprung a leak as I drove into my driveway.  Had to have it towed right back to the mechanics.

Your maintenance seems to be going more smoothly, Amber.

I my list live reading about your full wood rack, and hanging beloved things that bring you joy.

Question....how are you feeling about separation from B now?

Is it easier now you have a set timeline?

You seem really relaxed in this last post to me, Amber.

I'm glad Hol seems to be focused on herself, and not S.  I hope that's true.

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Re: Farm Doin's - 2020
« Reply #533 on: November 10, 2020, 08:00:33 PM »
I still don't like the separation. I know he has to have time to tie up his years there and make sure his D is settled. It's different this time - because we have had time to talk; openly and without reservation - or fear. Lingering questions have been answered - removing my over-active imaginations tendency to doubt.

And we spoke our truth about wanting to be together. It's simple and unadorned. He had the same kinds of fears I did; the same doubts. That this was just too good to be true; we were waiting for something that just doesn't exist to show up and blow the specialness of the connection to smithereens. We've both been burned that way in the past. And neither of us is willing to sacrifice our self-reliance or independence again BUT WE STILL WANT THIS CONNECTION, so we're having to invent our own way forward. No programmed conditioned "roles"... except what each is good at. Wants to assume responsibility for. And that also takes time.

The mutual respect - for the things we've been through, how we perservered, and who we are as a result of all that - is brand new for both of us. The more mundane reasons people "need" another within relationship don't exist for us. Security, a co-parent, even companionship... just don't figure here. For me, it's who he is all at once - the many many things. For him, it's similar - but he's blown away by me being able to express affection for him. (And the story that explains the reason why is heartbreaking to me. I know how that feels.) Yet he's not stuck in that. He's funny; insightful; creative; and sweet & kinder than almost anyone I've known previously. And I don't know exactly how I knew it was within him... but he's able to show it easily these days.

Sometimes you get lucky; and sometimes you hit the lottery.

We stay in contact all day long; unless one of us is working... and even when we are there is a maintenance "ping" that doesn't need an immediate response... just hi, what are you doin? In the mornings, and evenings, communication picks up. And now that the anxieties we had have been brought out into the open, they've dissipated. So we're both kinda resting in just being this connected. Example:

I was grocery shopping; picking out canned food for Stinker. He texted to remind me that Freddy likes the soft treats. And he is as mystified as me, how he knew I was in the cat food aisle right at that moment. LOL. There are LOTS of things like that. Hol & I kinda have that level of connection; but I've not known a man that had that much intuition/sight before. Maybe it's a function of the connection; I dunno.

But we seem to be able to give each other what we need on the emotional level (another first for me) and so I let myself half-believe that we were brought together just for that reason. He's not comfortable with very many people... yet we were instantly comfortable with each other. Too many people have tried to take advantage of his inherent kindness.

The timeline remains flexible. Too many things we can't control. But he'll be as frustrated as I will be if that happens. And he's worth the wait.  ;)
« Last Edit: November 10, 2020, 08:06:11 PM by sKePTiKal »
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Re: Farm Doin's - 2020
« Reply #534 on: November 12, 2020, 07:17:21 AM »
What an amazing unfolding, Amber.

Don't forget to dance on this comfortable, happy glow.

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Re: Farm Doin's - 2020
« Reply #535 on: November 12, 2020, 09:56:03 AM »
Well, if the rest of the world would sort themselves out and people would act with some sense... THEN, I could dance. And I will dance with him. Regardless.

Yeah, I'm setting conditions again. But it honestly does "intrude" unnecessarily (and uninvited) into our lives.

I'm grumpy. Been fighting a head cold - sinus involved - for a week, and disappointed Hol who hoped I'd hang out at the hut while she had a visitor last night - and chicken & dumplings - for making my own chili (extra spicy) and going to bed at 9.

She and I have been cleaning house. My friend Deb is coming for a short R&R visit Friday. I am horrified at the state of the room she & S were in. No wonder he kept fighting allergies/colds/flu. It's really a simple equation...

Then, I've done something to my ipad. Only 1 cable will charge it - while the others did just yesterday. I can't get the plug in the socket... hmmm. I don't think I have the patience to deal with that today. Buck is suffering through another round of meningitis - altho less than a month ago his bloodwork showed a 50% decrease in infection markers. He's complaining he didn't get a toaster for having it 10 times in 4 years. LOL. Other than that - it's the same old same old for him.

And it's raining; and getting cold. Time to start the D3 vitamins.
BLECH.

I'm either going to make an appie pie or hot apple dumpling w/honeycomb ice cream for Deb's & my birthday treat this weekend. Being grumpy means I'm getting over my cold. Kinda. (I've been sleeping VERY well this week, so it's not that.)
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Re: Farm Doin's - 2020
« Reply #536 on: November 12, 2020, 12:05:18 PM »
Sunnex Biotechnoligies, Amber. I swear. (I have one tower model that is life-changing.)

I hear you about it all. And I'd bet just having to say good-bye was rough.

You and B will figure this out. I'm glad Hol is finally in her hut.

SO nice that your friend can come. Has she quarantined/tested?
I would love to have another friend in my "pod". Just don't know anyone other than M who's as careful as he and I are.

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Re: Farm Doin's - 2020
« Reply #537 on: November 12, 2020, 08:22:54 PM »
My friend hasn't quarantined per se. Her job split workers in half and half work one week, while the other half is out. She takes care of her 80-something and increasingly frail mom - so she is being extra careful. And I'm seriously not that worried about it. S went to visit a friend of his; she works at Whole Foods - and he was down sick with the flu for several days. Didn't test. My sinus issues are a direct result of being outside for hours in in the cold & wind and having my headband slip off my ears while working. Hol didn't get sick; I didn't get my sinus from them. Been here done this before.

That said... we will still take ordinary precautions.

I am this evening teasing Buck, tempting him, with things I like to bake at the holidays. LOLOLOL. Poor man is drooling; but he says he's a decent cook & baker too. Maybe I need to test that theory??

He's not here au corporeal; but he knows a way to be here for me from a distance. It's what his life has been; he just hasn't had anyone who could play back and be there for him too, this way. And it's not forever. It's just till he finishes up his "list".

And meanwhile, I'm practicing my independence while within relationship. I am finding they can co-exist without a lot of conflict. WHO KNEW? I kinda suspect it requires both partners to have about the same level of maturity though.
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Re: Farm Doin's - 2020
« Reply #538 on: November 16, 2020, 02:24:16 PM »
Farm (my house) pics:

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The reno work on the living room (whole house actually) was to replace windows/doors. In the living room, I removed two full glass doors to gain extra wall space and improve the insulation. Worked, too. Contractor thought I was nutz, but I insisted. Stone wall & hardwood went up & down this year, in my bedroom. Along with the master bath redo. Sort of to appease myself while we were pouring money into building the hut. It was stuff that I'd wanted to do when I moved in - but priorities.

Since this place was a vacation home primarily, no one was here much to suffer the drafts in the winter. So what I've been doing is to make first - more snug & functional, and then to improve the aesthetics.

The deer head on the living room hearth chimney is a new addition from Buck; red deer that he took in Scotland. I think our tastes will blend OK, when all is said and done.

We had a bad wind storm last night; I sure do appreciate my generator! Most of my lights work, I have heat & water & ac in the summer - and I can watch tv via the disc player even when my internet is out, like it was last night. Propane stove, electric oven - this genny actually had the capacity to run my oven too. No microwave, but the coffee pot is on the genny...  :D

There was some extended discussion over how time is calculated. My way, I moved in Nov. 2016 - making it 4 years I've been here. Hol posted a pic to Facebook, the night before the movers got here - and FB says it was 3 years ago. Either way, a LOT has been done out here in that time. There's the whole "Hut complex" - complete with pond and garage - and soon to be greenhouse. There is a 24x30 barn out by the garden area, too - and Buck's shop will go nearby there. The studio and that garage under it - need some attention - but my new motto is "rome wasn't built in a day".

Obviously, my anxiety over not having anything to do but stay stuck grieving over Mike was rather serious and my decision to give myself a project that'll last years is not a bad way to go, solving that. We do set our schedules for our individual comfort zones... and one winter pining away was enough for me. Getting ready for another big life adjustment in a couple months when Buck finally gets here... and I've got a couple months of "slow time" to let that settle around me. Might be getting the wheels turning for his shop about that time too. But I'm watching my pennies closer than I was, these days... and I've put that analysis on hold for a little while longer.

I hear being active and engaged helps with health and mental acuity as we age.  :rolleyes:  I think I have still have the over-compensation gene. LOLOLOLOLOL.
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Re: Farm Doin's - 2020
« Reply #539 on: November 16, 2020, 05:14:54 PM »
Oh SEND ME THAT GENE!

The place is so beautiful, and so much like I'd pictured in my head. I love the scenery (having grown up with identity-forming experiences in these mountains and having lived/worked in Appalachia)....and about the interior--the lovely warmth of the woods, the well-chosen furnishings, the windows, the stone. It's just wonderful. To me the goal isn't GORGEOUS, it's about HOMEY. You done got homey done, girl. It's beautiful. Welcoming. Calls to every sense of home.

I can't imagine the impact on Buck. It's just perfectly open, offering space for two, welcome to him. That deer head looks bronzed. It is taxidermied?

I'm very happy to hear B is arriving in a couple months for good. That is freaking awesome. It makes all your dreaming real. I am so very happy for you both.

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