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Twoapenny

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #105 on: March 31, 2020, 01:22:06 PM »
I get it, ((((Tupp)))).

News of my D's troubles (even outdated) sends me into
pain for days. So I stay away from her online crumbs.
Now and then I fall into the hole of pondering her online
tidbits and it does her no good, nor me.

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Hops

Thanks, Hops.  I've always wanted not to become hard nosed and uncaring - it isn't me (it's very much my mum and some other people I know) and I've always resisted trying not to be myself.  But I think I do need to.  It feels like being punished for caring.  My step brother doesn't tell me to be unkind, but because he has learning disabilities when I've said to him before I don't want to talk about my mum he doesn't really understand and talks anyway.  I call him because I care for him, and he does for me.  He left me a message the other night, had called to see how son and I were and as he rings off he says "Love you".  No-one else ever says that to me, or ever has.  No-one else in the family bothers with him, other than his dad ringing him every now and then, so I don't want to not call him.  He can't read very well so texting isn't really a useful alternative.  But I Know I can't guarantee he won't mention them if we chat so I'm just going to have to not let my head go anywhere with anything I hear.  If she dies on her own, in pain, then that's just how it will have to be.  And for me to write that just feels so wrong, on every single level.  There's just no other way around it.  My sister texted her yesterday saying are you okay, have you got enough food in, do you need anything.  And my mum replied, yes, fine.  There are so many older people now on lockdown, can't go anywhere, having to wait for people to deliver food, many of them don't have internet so they can't even connect that way.  How much would they appreciate two loving daughters who would happily phone every day, visit through the glass and so on?  It's just a madness I can't get my head around.  So I'm done with it all.  Heavy heart and all that.  Thank you for understanding :)  I did some yoga.  Dinner's cooking, I've made more cupcakes and I am heading for the bath after dinner xx

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #106 on: March 31, 2020, 01:31:26 PM »
Tupp:

You're such a nice person.  I'm glad your mum turned out to be OK.  It's unsettling, these upsetting what-if scenarios.... when they pop up.  Crisis and unknowns play whack-a-mole with our minds, IME.  Racing around like mice in the maze. I wish you didn't care at all too.

Food's been a huge focus for me, also.  I'm not even fighting it.

I'm amazed at all you're getting done.  Glad you're in the garden with the kitties.   

Lighter

It's gently raining today.  The woodpecker's been pecking at the house, while managing to avoid me.  The noise of the pellet hitting is supposed to startle them off for good, and works best if you can hit the gutter.  There's no gutter near the preferred pecking spots.

 













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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #107 on: March 31, 2020, 07:06:20 PM »
Over 1250 tested and diagnosed in my state.
Sixty-five in my city.
We just learned of our first death, an elderly woman.

I see a lot of social distancing but also incidents (usually young folks, or runners who won't adjust their paths) of ignoring it (and you, if you're walking there). Running right past you as you go along the edge of the road just a few feet away. If in our 70s we could easily hop into a yard, we would...it ain't always easy.

Rather than seething about it, I'm trying to wish them well, think kind thoughts, and refocus on the pleasant people happy to share a six-foot chat and exchange cheer.

So I won't trip anybody, promise.

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #108 on: March 31, 2020, 07:23:01 PM »
Hops:

I was at the neighbor's house 2 days ago.  The ones with the homemade beer.  I found myself TRYING to stand up wind.... or at least not directly DOWN wind as it was a very breezy day.  The wife, who works at a bank full time,  kept adjusting herself... like she knew what I was doing.... countering me. 

The husband filled beer glasses and handed them out... I tried to keep up with my antibac wipe, but I know I failed.

There's something really demoralizing about SEEING people behave in a way that's dangerous.  I was just down for the count yesterday.... didn't want to go back for the grilled fish dinner they invited me to.  Would rather have crushed my ankle. 

Keep giving lots of space to people who don't know better, Hops.  Isn't it about time you and M can have play dates at each other's houses?

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #109 on: March 31, 2020, 08:36:06 PM »
I felt scared of my grocery delivery this evening.
Even though I am armed with what to do.

I understand obsession or too much anxiety aren't
rational but do not fault anyone for what they feel.
There is rational fear, that is protective. (This wasn't
it but I nixed it pretty quick and am relaxed again.)

M is just irritating me, but that's for another thread.

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Hops
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #110 on: April 01, 2020, 03:59:19 AM »
Thank you, Lighter and Hops :)  I am so grateful to have your input.  I feel much better today - slept better and woke up this morning determined not to let other people rain on my parade.  This has the potential to be a good time for me and son - lots of time to rest, work on home activities, shred paperwork, do yoga and so on - that this could be a really good thing for us.  I'm not going to let other people, who can't just sit home and read a book, spoil that for us.  So no more thinking about my mum, or anyone else for that matter.  I'm only answering the phone now to people who I know will be calling to say, hey, Tupp!  I read a book I think you might like, or I saw that such and such a film is on tonight and I know you like that sort of thing.  Practical people who deal with the situation and who, if they aren't coping, recognise that and try to do something about it themselves, not people who offload their shit on to me.  Humph!  Lol.

I think a lot of people are less aware of the risk, because they're not at such serious risk.  People who haven't had (or currently got) significant health problems or close relatives with them, or who don't fit the age demographic of 'you're not worth a ventilator so we won't give you one' just don't feel as exposed, I think, as other people who know that if they get this that (a) it will, at the very least knock them for six, (b) is more likely to be very serious, if not fatal for them and (c) won't make the grade if there isn't enough equipment to go around (or, as Hops has pointed out, don't want to be rigged up to a machine and would rather sort things out themselves).  So I think that's part of the problem.

I do think as well, and I'm sorry because I'm on my socialist soap box again, that Western arrogance and privilege play a part with some people.  There are so many people in the UK (and I'm sure in the States as well) who have genuinely never gone without.  They've never not been able to buy whatever they fancy in the supermarket or been unable to go out (or order in) whatever and whenever they want.  There's no need in the UK to look after your health in order to get medical care on the NHS.  There are some instances where they won't perform surgery until people lose weight or stop smoking because of the increased risks but generally speaking people here can ignore medical advice as much as they want and they'll still get treatment regardless.  So there are few people who actually know what it's like when a doctor can't magically make you better.  They've never been without a nice home, money for luxuries, unlimited travel options and so on and so forth, and it's not a lifestyle just reserved for the very wealthy.  People on moderate incomes here can live like that.  And of course, many people do appreciate all they've got and are aware of how lucky they are, but a surprising number I think do feel that they will always be able to carry on like that.  They don't seem to take the risk seriously because they've just not been in a situation before where there isn't 'someone' who will sort everything out for them - the food magically appears in the shops, the water keeps flushing the toilets, you can buy as much unnecessary crap as you like and there's no penalty.  So I do think it leads to a kind of notion that they'll be alright no matter what.

Hops, I feel anxious when groceries arrive, and when taking in any other package or doing anything like putting the bins out.  I think it's natural.  It's a bit like having to deal with spiders :)  Lighter, I wouldn't go visiting them if you don't feel comfortable.  If they're not taking precautions with you then they won't be anywhere else either.  There's no hope of stopping this completely until they stop letting people travel between different countries.  They're still letting people off planes unchecked here.  They just disembark and head straight out.  No checks, no testing.  All to protect corporate interests.  It's madness.

Anyway, that's my little musing for the day :)  Thank you for letting me waffle on :) lol xx

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #111 on: April 01, 2020, 09:36:45 AM »
LOL... still all well here, except all of us are dealing with allergies to tree pollen right now. Hol is working on quilts, minding the contractors on the Hut, cooking... and trying to organize all of us into contributing to good meals. John is working on his van... being there for Hol to talk through all her feelings at odd hours of the night when she wakes up. Steve is starting a whole new batch of medicinal mushrooms - cordyceps, reishi, etc. and walking the property looking for wild ones... and other native medicinal herbs. (I'm better at that than he is.) He's the most worried about not having any more income this year - since his work is usually at big events in DC.

Making do... and creative solutions... are what I'm good for around here. My obsessive cleaning is also useful. As well as coming up with projects for people to do.

As the stay at home orders are extended, we're still OK. Enforcement still isn't too draconian around here. Contractors still working; hardware, pharmacy; gas stations & grocery still stocked and busy. The shop is still working - orders aren't nearly as awful as they looked one day a week ago - and my oldest employee is the bookkeeper; she's been working nights to minimize her contact with everyone else. (She's over 80.)

I kinda feel like we're all suspended in time; limbo. Hol keeps asking me to bring out a friend of hers that makes her laugh a lot - altho the relational price he exacts for that is a tad too high, in my balance sheet. My brain wants to analyze and nail down all the things that are going to remain different now.... and will change further in the future. Emotionally, I'm on a roller-coaster... while trying to hang on to the middle of the road and stay cool, calm & collected. Or at least appear that way... as an anchor for everyone else. But even I am losing it sometimes.

Emotionally I believe I'd feel better if Buck were here... but that's a whole new set of personality challenges with everyone else here I've not got the energy for right now. And my solitude? pfffft... I have my bedroom suite and that's it for now unless I get in my car and drive off. I'm not even going out once a week, consistently, right now - because my allergies are so bad I get funny looks for sneezing and coughing and sniffing... ye olde runny nose.

Well. Today I'm going to check about getting my plow picked up end of the week. And perhaps meet with a lawyer re: combining the deeds for my property... and retitling in the trust. Lawyers are essential in my state - but that doesn't mean they're keeping regular hours.

This too shall pass - I'm trying to put the time to good use and not get wrapped too tight over what isn't showing up clearly in my crystal ball about the future.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #112 on: April 01, 2020, 11:42:21 AM »
Putting this link here regarding fear around receiving groceries, being around other people, virus, food shortages, overwhelmed medical systems,etc.

I plan to put it on Mindfulness and Relationship threads also.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Vmwsg8Eabo

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #113 on: April 01, 2020, 05:29:21 PM »
Enjoyed the video, Lighter!

Realized I AM his female friend (and that's why I'm so wary of M's disasterizing and late-night anxiety/tragedy stuffed calls, and get fed up with his dramatic anxious messaging at times). Pure and simple, it's contagious to me. It truly is. He releases it and because of my susceptibility to that contagion, I'm up all night.

The other association I got (I thought it would end with "fear itself" but it didn't) was between shortness of breath and what he described.

One reason the virus is so scary to me is how it can end up, lungs not working, ventilation, etc. I associate SOB (shortness of breath) with panic and vice versa, and when I feel it building I am a mess.

I also see why I have never, once, ever been able to enjoy a horror film, unlike other folks with less easily triggered anxiety reactions. In my case the music always scares me more than the vocals. I learned early to plug my ears first, then it wouldn't be that distressing.

Very interesting stuff, and the contagion part is so very relevant today.

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« Last Edit: April 03, 2020, 12:28:14 PM by Hopalong »
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #114 on: April 02, 2020, 10:12:10 PM »
I tried to start the CRV today. There was a grinding noise and it didn't want to start.  I persisted, and eventually it turned over.  I drove to the grocery stores and sat watching in the parking lots.... just to see how things really are.

The guys pushing shopping carts back into the store weren't wearing gloves.  ONE shopper guy at Publix wore gloves and a mask.  Maybe 10 other shoppers I saw did not.

I drove to another grocery store and there were more cars in the lot, more people and just as few masks and gloves.  Watching people touch EVERYTHING made me feel sick, like throwing up, so I left.


The car started right up, so I hope whatever went wrong was caused by not starting it for 3 weeks. 

Ladies, start your cars every once in a while and drive them.  You don't want problems you can avoid to creep up on you.

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #115 on: April 03, 2020, 12:41:58 AM »
I recently sold my ancient, reliable, lovable CRV, Lighter.
When I got the amazing lucky Prius (for a ridiculously low amount) I gradually began driving it all the time, not loving the ride or feel as much as the CRV, but finding the low-fuel impossible to pass up.

Anyway, I too left my CRV unstarted way too long and it died -- battery etc. I finally realized it made no moral or economic sense for my life, for me to have two vehicles. I would space out for too long and forget again.

Glad yours is okay!

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #116 on: April 05, 2020, 02:54:35 PM »
Mask, splash guard, and gloves in place I went to Aldi's (for milk) and Lowes for Preen weed preventative, seeds and some plants.  I've never had any luck growing tomato plants from seeds and I'm not doing that now, for any reason so bought 3 kinds of cherry tomato seedlings. 

It's going to rain so will get the Preen down now. 

I did want to say there were what appeared to be 4 guards outside the Best Buy.  At Lowes they had a stupid line for the outdoor plant section that made zero sense.  It didn't tell you where to walk, inside the barrier or outside and so I had to walk it twice bc there was no one in line to show me where to go and the lady who told me to get into the non-existent line didn't think I needed to go to the right place.  Oh well. 

They shut down access to the indoor building and things weren't perfect but I found everything I needed (seeds are INSIDE, plants are outside) I'm not complaining.  Everyone is understaffed and doing their best, I'm sure.

There were marked places to stand at checkout and constant reminders to stay 6 feet away from other shoppers over the loudspeaker.  People DID stay away from each other.  About half had masks on, some had gloves.  One guy had a black ski mask, ball cap, and sunglasses on... looked like a bank robber but no one cared.

I carried sani wipes the entire time, constantly wiping down my gloves and what I picked up, the cart.... just made me feel better to DO something.  When I got in the car I felt like I needed to move... to get up and out of the discomfort of maybe having coronavirus on my clothes, skin, in my hair.

I'm going to play in the dirt.

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #117 on: April 08, 2020, 09:36:48 AM »
Our stay at home order was declared March 16.
It's been almost a month.

To date, the state has had 4 deaths from the virus - all nursing home residents or very ill elderly. Except for a handful of medium-sized cities, we have very little "urban" areas.

Life is going on out here "as normal". I got curious about the state's definition of "essential businesses" - and about the only things shut down are the social clubs (VFW and the like), schools, restaurants and the odd bowling alley or movie theater. (We don't even have many of those things out here.)

Most of the reported numbers by state (on average over all 50 of them) show that pretty much the 80-90% recovery rate that China was advertising has held true here. EVEN in urban areas. So, I'm thinking that this continued social distancing "mandate" is very much overdone.

I'm thinking some other things too; but that's not our focus here.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #118 on: April 08, 2020, 12:39:18 PM »
So.... we've had our first shooting in the neighborhood.  Someone shot INTO the home of a person living a couple hoods over.  The post said there was a shot INTO her home the next day also.. this one hitting her dog in the head, but not killing it.

This was followed by what appeared to be passive-aggressive posts from people who felt it was very sad someone took the law into their own hands in a necessary attempt to quiet down barking dogs who had a view of the entire hood, barked at EVERYTHING and without any pause. These neighbors are named in their posts, have a view of everything going on and are engaging with the dog owner on the message board.

The dog owner wrote the bullet almost hit her son, which suggests to me the person pulling the trigger had a good scope and sent a very pointed message... terrifying, IMO. The owner went on to say anyone COULD have called her to talk to her about the problem, but didn't.  It seemed like neighbors on both sides chimed in and I haven't checked to see how that's going today......
dogs are meant to bark
dogs shouldn't be allowed to bark non stop in populated areas ::shrug::

When Auntie H died, she'd been struggling/sobbing over not being able to sleep for months bc of a neighbor's dog barking all the time.  She talked to that neighbor.  She put foam insulation in her windows... her bedroom was dark all the time, she had to sleep sitting up bc of congestive heart failure AND she could barely eat..... not being able to sleep was torment and she died tormented bc a single neighbor gal didn't have the capacity to deal with her dog or consider her neighbors.  I was very upset at that dog owner at the time. I felt the dog deserved a home where someone attended to it and could care for it better.   

I've been on both sides of the problem and I DID feel responsible for quieting my barking dog.  It was a problem.  I worked at solving the problems.  I didn't do it perfectly and one set of neighbors remained angry at me, despite my trying and worrying and dealing with the problem with occasional problems.

Two neighbors, the two I'd run to if the contractor showed up, were talking about having the ability to protect themselves and property if the worst case scenario happened.  Are we at that point?  They fear people running out of food, bc of lost jobs, breaking into their homes to take food and stuff, and having to KILL these people.  We have a good safety net to feed people who can't feed themselves, IMO. I don't worry about that right now.

Guns are coming into the equation around here.

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #119 on: April 08, 2020, 04:58:01 PM »
Don't feed the fear furnace.
Enough people are on the job.

M sent me an essay from The New Yorker today, about dogs worrying about their owners.

"I know, you're watching the fear box," one dog says.

That's what news is but more significantly, it's DEFINITELY what social media is.

Retreat, relax, stop reading.

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