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« Reply #555 on: March 17, 2021, 04:47:09 AM »
Oh gosh, CB, yes, nodding all the way through.  The situation here is very similar and it is so odd that people readily accept certain restrictions as part of their day to day lives (we all drive on the same side of the road, to minimise accidents, we have speed restrictions and traffic lights for the same reason, your car has to meet a certain standard for you to take it on the road, you have to take a test to show you can drive it safely, and so on).  Yet similar measures to try to contain the spread of the virus have been declared human rights abuses and people have protested in the streets about it.  It is very odd that people (and I include myself in this!) can see similar situations in different ways.

I have also been told that if I'm worried about the virus I can just stay home and everyone else can carry on as they wish.  It slightly baffles me that anyone thinks another person can simply not leave their home for a couple of years or have any kind of human contact and still keep themselves fit and healthy?  What about, as a bare minimum, grocery supplies, medical appointments, fresh air, exercise, daily activity to keep the mind healthy, work?!  A lot of people in the UK seem to be oblivious to the fact that a lot of at risk people are employed and have mortgages to pay, and that many work in the voluntary sector, which we depend on very heavily due to a lack of funding for public sector services.  It's very odd, as you say.  We've had a similar thing with the ICU beds - the government made a big deal out of opening these huge temporary hospitals that can house thousands, but neglected to tell anyone that there weren't any staff!  And you can't just plug a person in a coma into a machine and leave them to it, which is something else that didn't seem to filter through to well.  Sigh.  Yes, nodding, and I think it will be a case of hindsight making more sense of it all (although I'm sure there will be claims that history has been rewritten to fill a certain agenda lol ;) ).

Hopsie, I think what you said about entertainment replacing education is spot on.  I think information going out so quickly now is a problem as well, particularly when so much of it is quite poor quality (not evidence based, not contextualised etc).  And there's so much of it.  Difficult to wade your way through the various news outlets and decide which one is giving you the best info.  And yes, that coarsening of character.  I felt really comforted by the volunteers at the vaccine centre; so many people giving up their time to get that done and it's so organised, so efficient.  There have been many unsung heroes, as there are in so many things, and I do hope there comes a point where all those ordinary people can be celebrated in some way.  I do think there's a media focus on the drama of it all and it's easy to lose focus on the good people doing good things (I know I do).  I'm very grateful I've got you guys, that much I do know :) xx

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« Reply #556 on: March 21, 2021, 02:15:58 AM »
I got a heart-lift from the volunteers too, Tupp. And they also seemed very happy. It would feel so good to be part of a team doing something that's pure positivity. So many people were so thankful and relieved and the nurses and docs and helpers were all so friendly and patient as the long line wound through.

I saw a news item that Yo Yo Ma took his cello to his vaccine place, got his shot, and then during the 15-30 minutes people wait after the shot to be checked, he sat over by the wall and took out the cello and played. Everyone got so quiet, in such a peaceful way together.... He is magic.

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« Reply #557 on: March 21, 2021, 03:14:40 AM »
I got a heart-lift from the volunteers too, Tupp. And they also seemed very happy. It would feel so good to be part of a team doing something that's pure positivity. So many people were so thankful and relieved and the nurses and docs and helpers were all so friendly and patient as the long line wound through.

I saw a news item that Yo Yo Ma took his cello to his vaccine place, got his shot, and then during the 15-30 minutes people wait after the shot to be checked, he sat over by the wall and took out the cello and played. Everyone got so quiet, in such a peaceful way together.... He is magic.

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Oh, Hopsie, that sounds amazing!  I could have offered to sing - that would have cleared the room quickly ;) lol.  I do think the media have played a very negative role in all of this by failing to provide well contextualised, fact based information and focusing so much on negative examples of what's been going on.  Good quality reporting is hard to come by here and it's really shown itself here over the last year.  Everyone I've spoken to personally is just getting on with it - difficult situations for everyone but people are doing what they can to help.  But when I read the news or scan through social media, every negative event is magnified so it feels like everything is bad.  Yet lots of people are working hard, pulling together and, more importantly, staying home, wearing a mask in the shop and so on, just not putting extra pressure on services.  Perhaps we all need to learn to play the cello and be more Yo Yo Ma :) xx

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« Reply #558 on: March 21, 2021, 09:30:01 AM »
I agree about the massive negativity cycle in the news media Tupp. I'd really like to ask them who they think they're helping - or why they're pushing such negative crap all the time - what's in it for them, that people are mostly turning them off; not reading the news anymore; tuning out...

and finding that life without the media is MUCH more pleasant, and kind, and full of good people.
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« Reply #559 on: March 21, 2021, 11:39:44 AM »
I agree about the massive negativity cycle in the news media Tupp. I'd really like to ask them who they think they're helping - or why they're pushing such negative crap all the time - what's in it for them, that people are mostly turning them off; not reading the news anymore; tuning out...

and finding that life without the media is MUCH more pleasant, and kind, and full of good people.

Yep, same here.  I don't want to pretend nothing awful is happening, but lots of good things have happened through this as well - people have supported one another, parents have done an amazing job unexpectedly home schooling their kids, lots of kids have loved being at home and thrived on the one to one attention.  Businesses have adapted; I know it's going to be a death knell for some but some have thrived, offered home delivery when they never used to, put in hand wash stations and free face masks for people, a lot of people have coped really well.  I wouldn't want it to be a case of pretending that people haven't suffered, of course they have, but a lot of people I've spoken to have all said the same thing - they've focused on what they have got and what they can do and just got on with it.  One of the mums I see on the way to school in the morning (she walks past with her three when I'm out feeding the birds) and she said she's just been so grateful they've got a garden and they're not stuck in a high rise flat with nowhere for the kids to play.  I don't know what they get out of it, either, maybe they get paid more to write negative articles rather than positive ones now?  It does seem odd xx

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« Reply #560 on: March 21, 2021, 12:46:41 PM »
I'm seriously considering Amber's news diet for a while. Or just getting what really matters from NPR when driving. Or just waiting for M to tell me about the big political stuff.

Otherwise, I'm soaking my brain in negative, alarming or tragic headlines/articles day after day after day...to what end? What I can do something about locally, I am. And the rest serves either to frighten or depress me or even break my heart.

I CANNOT help/fix/rescue people who themselves (or their problems) are out of my reach (either personally or financially). So why do I start my day with soaking in tragedy?

I've actually turned to those "Restoring Faith in Humanity" or "Dudes Being Bros" or "Acts of Kindness" or animal-rescue videos on YouTube to correct the balance. But now I'm feeling that a more-extreme step might be appropriate. News diet, full tilt.

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« Reply #561 on: March 21, 2021, 02:53:41 PM »
And he just got a jab in that bowing arm!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWWzmha1_jE

love love love

[especially at the end where you see the folks sitting and their bodies look SO relaxed....}

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« Reply #562 on: March 31, 2021, 09:52:06 AM »
How amazing, Hopsie, he makes it look so effortless as well :)

Well we have good news here.  Deaths in the over 70s have dropped 97% in the last ten weeks.  That is genuinely the best thing I've read in the last year :)  They are easing lockdown restrictions slowly and carefully and have made it clear it will be straight back into lockdown if there's any sign of hospital and/or death rates rising significantly, or if the vaccine programme gets derailed in any way.  I don't think they're going to worry too much about infection rates if the infections don't result in lots more hospital admissions or deaths.  It still seems to be that young, fit and healthy people aren't likely to be seriously affected - it does happen, of course, but on the whole it doesn't seem to be too much of a problem for them, and I'd hope they're taking care to avoid anyone who might still be affected seriously.

We'll still continue to stay home as much as possible, particularly over the upcoming school holidays as it's going to be mobbed here with holiday makers.  But that's okay, I'm happy to let everyone else mingle while we get on with things at home.  Fingers crossed that by September/October time we'll be in a much better place than we were that time last year.  It does feel like there's a light at the end of the tunnel now xx

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« Reply #563 on: April 04, 2021, 08:40:47 AM »
I was reading an interesting article earlier; apparently the overall death rate here (deaths from all possible causes) is much lower than usual.  They think we've more or less missed flu season (as everyone's been inside and/or masked and keeping distance) and road traffic fatalaties have been a lot lower (again, because people have had to stay home).  There doesn't seem to have been an increase in cancer deaths despite a lot of people not being able to have treatment but they didn't seem to have an idea why that would be.  They do think that a lot of people who would have died by now from other causes died earlier because they caught Covid (5 - 15% of the total deaths, apparently).  I just think it's so sad that people couldn't die with their loved ones by their side and having spent time with their families before hand.  I know lots of doctors, nurses and care home staff have sat with people but it just isn't the same.  I think that's sad.

Johnson is apparently talking about vaccine passports for large events and public places; I have to say I'm confused about that.  I'm not sure if I've missed something but I thought the vaccines aren't known to prevent transmission?  So I'd assume anyone who's worried about catching it would have the jab and anyone who isn't worried is presumably healthy enough to cope with catching it?  So I don't quite get the need to have it enforced for access to public spaces.  But maybe I've missed some info along the way.  Anyway, overall things are looking better, not out of the woods yet but I think it's looking promising now.

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« Reply #564 on: April 04, 2021, 09:04:03 AM »
I'm glad it's looking better over there, Tupp!

We're looking at a 4th surge here, and the variants have just arrived. Fairly scary article about those in the Post today...more unknown than known, although they seem confident that vaccines are protective against some of them. The big danger with the political stupidities is that the virus will keep on mutating the longer people don't take the precautions (vaccinated or not). At some point, a mutation may be impervious to the present vaccines, which could throw us back to square one.

My understanding is that the reason even fully vaccinated people now are asked to continue social distancing and masks is that it's as yet unknown whether, even though you may be mostly safe from contracting it yourself once vaccinated, they don't yet know whether you still might be/become an asymptomatic carrier to someone else.

I'm avoiding all crowds for a lot longer. Look forward to eating at outdoor cafes though, as it warms up.

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« Reply #565 on: April 04, 2021, 11:15:18 AM »
Hol & I laugh about that day of the week problem. What I'm thinking about doing - since this is a permanent state of things for me is to use a 7 day calendar, following weather forecasts, and plan one task a day, each day. Otherwise I'll just drift between total low energy states and bursts of energy.

Yesterday, I finished planting the first seeds to go in the garden. I have two more weeks of comfortable weather to get my dirt back in shape to plant. Then I have some inside work to do too. I took care of some small mending issues; buttons etc.

It's time to get the second guest room switched out and relocate some stuff in the office - so we can actually share.

Hol's gardening friend said this year, the advice on fruit trees is to wait till fall - there is some kind of fungus or some such going around and decimating spring-planted trees. I already have pears that need pruning; will plant a couple apple & peach trees. It doesn't pay for me to devote too much space for these, since my county is full of orchards. And I want nut trees - hazelnuts, almonds.
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« Reply #566 on: April 04, 2021, 11:58:19 AM »
The planning according to the weather thing makes sense, Skep, and I guess in some ways it doesn't always matter what day the calendar says it is?  Just that you make the most of getting things done depending on whether it's dry or not, too cold, too hot and so on.  It feels more natural, I think?

CB, I'm really glad that you're getting your jab!  And how nice that you were finally able to see the little ones :)  So cute, I bet they loved that as well.  It's interesting that you guys are being told you don't transmit the virus if you've been vaccinated, over here they've said all along that it won't stop you catching it or passing it on, just that it will reduce your chances of being seriously ill from it.  It is all very confusing.  It doesn't affect us in a practical way; we don't go to big events anyway and we've both been jabbed so it won't matter to us what they decide to do, I just get puzzled sometimes over how some decisions are made.  Plus I wonder what sort of work would need to go into a scheme like that to actually make it work?  It's a lot of information to process.  I will wait and see what happens :)

I had read about a fourth wave and Hopsie, I do think people not doing the mask and keep apart thing is going to cause problems.  People have been flocking to outdoor spaces here; I think the problem is everyone thinks they'll be the only one there and they'll be careful, but then of course everyone else has the same idea and it's impossible to keep space when it's so busy.  Just using the toilet must be a potential problem.  We're still staying home and being very cautious, we're just lucky that we can xx

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« Reply #567 on: April 04, 2021, 03:15:13 PM »
I found this Washington Post article on variants really helpful yesterday. Sometimes people get upset about all the "may be" or "could possibly" or "seem to" kinds of caveats but I respect that language. We don't know what we know until we know it.... (My favorite is named the EEEEEK. Not kidding.) Masks forever? Hugs, Hops
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Viruses are always mutating and taking on new forms. The coronavirus has thousands of variants that have been identified. But several, including variants first found in the United Kingdom, South Africa and Brazil, are highly transmissible and have sparked concerns that vaccines may be less effective against them.

The same protective measures that have warded off the virus throughout the pandemic — maintaining social distance, wearing masks and washing our hands — are even more critical in the face of more transmissible variants.


The New York variant (B.1.526)
Where and when was it discovered?
This variant, which was found in samples obtained as early as November, probably emerged in the Washington Heights section of New York, Fauci told reporters in March. By the middle of that month, this variant made up nearly half of the city’s new infections.

Where is it now?
Officials have reported this variant in at least 14 other states, including Texas, Wyoming and Maryland, Bloomberg reported.

What makes it different?
Some scientists are concerned that this variant may be more transmissible than previous versions. Scott Gottlieb, former director of the Food and Drug Administration, expressed worry that a mutation on this variant could enable it to reinfect people who have already had the virus.

Will vaccines work?
This variant seems to have some resistance to existing vaccines, although not as much as the variant first detected in South Africa, Fauci said on CBS News’s “Face the Nation.” Gottlieb said he was also concerned that this variant could partly elude the effects of vaccination.

The South Africa variant (B.1.351)
Where and when was it discovered?
This mutation, also referred to as 501Y.V2, was found in South Africa in early October and announced in December, when the country’s health minister said the strain seemed to affect young people more than previous strains. This variant may have contributed to a surge of infections and hospitalizations across South Africa.

Where is it?
This mutation has been identified in at least four dozen countries. On Jan. 28, South Carolina officials announced that this variant had affected two people there with no travel history — the first instances of this strain identified in the United States. It has since been found in more than two dozen other states.

What makes it different?
This mutation shares some similarities to the variant first identified in the U.K. and, like that strain, appears to be more transmissible. There is no evidence that it is more lethal. Gottlieb has suggested that this variant might be more resistant to antibody therapies.

There is some evidence that this variant could allow for reinfection: A man in France was in critical condition in mid-February after being infected with this strain four months after he was previously infected with the virus.

Will vaccines work?
The vaccines may have a diminished impact against this variant, but they probably will still be effective, top infectious-diseases expert Anthony S. Fauci said in January. Moderna has said its vaccine protects against the variant first identified in South Africa, with an important caveat: The vaccine-elicited antibodies were also less effective at neutralizing this mutation in a laboratory dish.

Pfizer and BioNTech released their own study, not yet peer-reviewed, that suggests their vaccine effectively neutralizes this variant, though was slightly less effective.

On Jan. 29, Johnson & Johnson said its single-shot vaccine was robustly effective in a massive global trial, but that its protection against sickness was weaker in South Africa. Biotechnology company Novavax has also indicated that its vaccine was significantly less effective during a trial in South Africa.

In South Africa, the distribution of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine has been halted. The vaccine did not provide sufficient protection against mild and moderate cases caused by a new variant, health officials said.

U.K. variant (B.1.1.7)
Where and when was it discovered?
This variant was first found in the United Kingdom, specifically in London and the nearby county of Kent, in September. It is sometimes referred to as the “Kent” variant. It has been spreading rapidly in Britain, Denmark and Ireland since December.

Where is it?
Dozens of countries, including the United States, have seen infections from this variant of the virus. It is by far the most prevalent variant of concern in the United States, with thousands of cases across the country.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released a model forecast in early January that indicated the variant could become the dominant strain in the United States by some point in March. A recent study showed this variant was spreading rapidly in the United States by early February.

What makes it different?
The variant first identified in the U.K. appears more transmissible than the more common strain. Preliminary data also suggests that this strain may be 30 to 70 percent more lethal than previous mutations.

Will vaccines work?
The scientific consensus is that the vaccines will remain effective against this mutation because those inoculations provoke an array of neutralizing antibodies and other immune-system responses. Biotechnology companies Pfizer, Moderna and Novavax have said their vaccines appear to work against this variant.

Ravindra Gupta, a professor of clinical microbiology at the University of Cambridge, found in a study of older adults that the immune response triggered by the Pfizer vaccine was modestly less effective against the variant first identified in the U.K.

Related:
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U.K. coronavirus variant spreading rapidly through United States, study finds

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CDC warns highly transmissible coronavirus variant to become dominant in U.S.

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Some experts fear vaccines may be less effective against strains of the coronavirus that were first found in the United Kingdom, South Africa and Brazil.

The ‘Eeek’ mutation (E484K)
Where and when was it discovered?
This might best be described as a mutation within a mutation. It’s called E484K — or “Eeek,” as epidemiologists refer to it — and it’s appearing on some of the variants we describe below. It’s not brand new; it has appeared many times since the start of the pandemic, but experts have been concerned about it. It gained mainstream attention when it started to coincide with other variants that are more contagious.

Where is it?
Eeek has been seen in the variants first discovered in the U.K., South Africa and Brazil. It has also been detected in more than 200 samples of the virus sequenced in the United States since May.

What makes it different?
The Eeek mutation changes the virus’s spike protein, which is what vaccines target. By itself, this mutation does not change the virus significantly. The concern with this mutation is when it’s paired with the other variants, which could help the virus evade detection and make neutralization by the human immune system less efficient.

Will vaccines work?
Scientists are actively trying to answer this question. Clinical trial data have indicated that vaccines were less effective in preventing infections with variants in South Africa featuring the mutation. But the vaccines still dramatically lowered the chance of severe illness or death.

Semi-related to the vaccine question: One study found preliminary evidence that patients in South Africa who had survived an earlier bout with the more common coronavirus were becoming infected a second time — though not severely ill — after exposure to the variant with this mutation.

Related:
Worrisome E484K coronavirus mutation seen in U.K. variant and in some U.S. samples

Brazil variant (P. 1)
Where and when was it discovered?
Sequencing studies found the variant in Brazil, mainly in Rio de Janeiro, as early as July. Researchers in Japan discovered it in travelers from Brazil in January.

Where is it now?
It has been confirmed in more than two dozen countries, including Japan, Spain and New Zealand. On Jan. 25, Minnesota health officials confirmed the first U.S. case of this variant in a resident with recent travel history to Brazil. It has since been found in at least 18 states.

What makes it different?
The variant has more than a dozen alterations, several of which are found on the virus’s spike protein, which binds the virus to a cell. Because of that, researchers think the strain is probably more transmissible. There is also some early evidence that antibodies might not recognize the P.1 variant, which could lead to reinfection.

Will vaccines work?
There’s no strong evidence right now suggesting that vaccines won’t work against the variant first identified in Brazil. However, scientists have raised the possibility that this variant can evade antibodies, which would impact the current vaccines’ effectiveness.

A study of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine published in March determined that it was highly effective at neutralizing the variant found in Brazil. Moderna has announced that it would develop a new vaccine tailored to a similar variant in case an updated shot becomes necessary.

Related:
The Amazonian city that hatched the Brazil variant has been crushed by it

First U.S. case of highly transmissible Brazil coronavirus variant identified in Minnesota


The Denmark/California mutation (L452R)
Where and when was it discovered?
This mutation was detected in Denmark in March.

Where is it now?
A variant with this mutation was found in California this winter and became dominant there over five months, eventually making up more than half of infections in 44 of the state’s 58 counties. This mutation has also been confirmed in several other states.

What makes it different?
There is evidence that this mutation enhances the virus’s ability to bind to human receptor cells, making it more transmissible. Some scientists are urging public-health officials to declare the variant with this mutation circulating in California a “variant of concern,” which would make it the first homegrown variant with this label.

Will vaccines work?
Some scientists think this mutation might make the virus more resistant to vaccines because the mutation is in the spike protein, which enables the virus to attach to cells. But scientists also say that more study is needed before they can draw conclusions.

The original variant (D614G)
Where and when was it discovered?
This mutation, known to scientists simply as “G,” was discovered in China in January 2020. It soon spread through New York City and Europe.

Where is it?
The “G” mutation has become ubiquitous. By July, about 70 percent of the 50,000 genomes of the coronavirus uploaded by researchers worldwide to a shared database carried the variant.

What makes it different?
Some scientists think this mutation is significantly more transmissible than the original strain of the virus. That’s because this variant has four to five times more spikes on its surface. Those spikes enable the virus to latch onto and infect cells. But other scientists still contest the greater transmissibility.

Will vaccines work?
The G variant was the dominant strain when 2020 vaccine trials took place. The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines showed a 95 percent efficacy in trials.

Related:

Massive genetic study shows coronavirus mutating and potentially evolving amid rapid U.S. spread

British officials identify coronavirus mutations, but significance remains unclear


How can we protect ourselves from the variants?
The same protective measures that have warded off the virus throughout the pandemic — maintaining social distance, wearing masks and washing our hands — are even more critical in the face of more transmissible variants. Those guidelines will simultaneously keep you from becoming ill from one of those variants, while making it harder for the virus to mutate in the first place.

“Viruses don’t mutate unless they replicate,” Fauci said in January.

But it’s also important for scientists to learn as much as they can about these variants, in case there are specific ways we can slow their spread. Until the research exists, we can’t make assumptions about what new variants will do.

What do the variants mean for vaccines?
“We need to get as many people vaccinated with the current vaccine that we have as we possibly can … and prepare for the potential eventuality that we might have to update this vaccine sometime in the future.” — Fauci in January

As more significant variants are reported, the obvious (and arguably most important) question is whether the vaccines will work on them. Some of the mutations have sparked particular concern because they affect the spikes on the virus, which is what the vaccines target.

In short, the pharmaceutical companies are testing new variants against their vaccines and spinning up new trials. Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech can update their vaccines quickly because of their mRNA technology, which can be reprogrammed to target new variants.

Pfizer and Moderna have run tests on the variants and while the vaccines still triggered a response, they appeared to be less effective.

A growing number of scientists anticipate that we will eventually need something similar to the annual flu shot — companies will periodically update their vaccines to match the prevalent coronavirus variants, and we will need to get boosters to stay protected.

“With flu, we need to adapt the vaccines. We can see that already,” said Ravindra Gupta, a professor of clinical microbiology at the University of Cambridge. “The companies do realize there is a problem in the longer term, and they will deal with it just as we have done with flu every year.”

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« Reply #568 on: April 07, 2021, 12:28:36 AM »
An older work friend of mine got her vaccine, other than that it's been sorta slow going. I wish all the sites were drive-thru style. It makes the most sense to me at least. Experts that have many unprotected people filing in and out all day long, well that doesn't seem too bright.

I'm not feeling too optimistic about Covid but that's kinda standard for me, seeing the maggots in the cupcakes.

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« Reply #569 on: April 08, 2021, 12:11:01 PM »
LOLOLOLOL....

that's a new expression to me, Mouse - "maggots in cupcakes" - must be original! I like it!
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