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Phyll

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I'm new here
« on: July 17, 2021, 08:19:09 PM »
Hello,

A friend of mine told me about this website.  I found registration was closed so I wrote to Richard to ask about it.  As I told him, I recently became aware of my affinity for the narcissists in my life.  In my experience with AA over the last 32 + years I found sharing personal stories with other recovering people essential to maintaining my sobriety.  On June 7 I had a hip replacement.  My recovery was interrupted by fevers, pain, fatigue and rashes which turned out to be Lyme's disease.  I am now on the mend.  What I realized during this time is that my spouse seems to be incapable of empathy. 

I am aware I can only change myself.  I need your experience strength and hope to learn how to cope, and ensure my needs are met.  I realize yours may be a tight knit group who have known each other for some time.  I am optimistic my participation might also bring something new to your discussions.

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« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2021, 02:41:00 AM »
Hi, Phyll,

It's lovely to see a new face!  Welcome :)  I'm so sorry to hear you've had such a tough time with your hip and Lyme's as well.  I'm glad you're on the mend, but sorry you've discovered a lack of empathy in your spouse during that time.  It's hard when we realise the people we love aren't able to give us (some) of the things we need, particularly when we're going through tough times ourselves.  Many of us on here have had similar experiences :) Well done on the many years of sobriety, it sounds as if you have traveled many roads.

Feel free to dive in and start reading threads, or starting your own.  We'd love to know more about your experiences, if and when you feel able to tell.  You might find some of the threads jump around a bit; many of us have been on here for years so we often know about previous things that have happened - feel free to ask about anything that doesn't make sense :)

I'm really glad you're here and hope you find sharing experiences here helpful and an aid to your further recovery.  I always learn more from other people so I'm looking forward to hearing more from you (but only as much as you're comfortable with - no pressure).  Personally this group has saved me over and over again.  Warm friendships with people I've never met in real life - it's a situation that's both odd and lovely at the same time.

Welcome!

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« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2021, 07:40:05 AM »
Welcome, Phyll--
I hope we're able to help and support you in what you're going through.

Would you like to tell us more about it?
It's all in our stories and anecdotes, really, plus a commitment
to repairing/healing what's broken or damaged in ourselves and supporting each other in the same. And, of course, spotting narcissists a mile away!

One advantage you have is that you can read back as far as you're inspired to, for a better idea of the situations each of us are in and how we're moving forward. Or where we're feeling stuck.

Look forward to hearing your own story, Phyll. As detailed as you'd like to be.

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« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2021, 10:26:04 AM »
Hi Phyll, pull up a seat around our bonfire. Sounds like you've been experiencing an "insult to injury" time, with the hip then Lyme's.

A former SIL of mine, had a very long & bad time with Lyme. So I know a fair amount about it. Thankfully, everyone reacts differently and experiences different degrees of severity and type of symptoms. May you have a less serious case!

Twoapenny (Tupp) is right that we'll be interested to get to know you, as you have energy to tell us about yourself. I think the regulars here, kinda have a reflex to help. LOL. But we also have a "take it if helps, if it doesn't - ignore it" philosophy about that.
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« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2021, 10:33:28 AM »
Hi, Phyll:

Do you have children?  If so, how are they doing?

My oldest DD20 has a Lyme's Disease dx.  How did your diagnosis happen? 

Welcome and I hope you heal up quickly🌞

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« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2021, 05:50:46 PM »
Thank you for your warm welcomes, lighter, sKePTiKal, Hopalong, and Twoapenny!  I am still struggling with figuring out how this message board works!  My story is long and loud and I am happy to share. I look forward to getting to know you and others around this camp fire.

I will start with some basic info.  I am 62 years old.  I am the youngest of 4 and the only girl growing up.  None of us escaped alcoholism.  My Mother sobered up when I began my drinking career, about 8th grade.  My father died from alcoholism when he was 62. Other than that, life was okay growing up and I always knew I was loved.  I retired last July from a 37 year career in public service - my BS degree in Social Work - Yes.  I was born to attract narcissists and alcoholics. :<)

What brought me to my knees in 1988, the year I sobered up - was losing the choice to be able to have children.  Today we have 3 fur babies (dogs), all border collie mixed breeds - Tilly is 13, Zeke is 9, and Peanut is likely 3 or 4.

I have not had great success in my (romantic) relationships with men.  I have enjoyed many long-lasting and beneficial friendships that have sustained me over the years.  The pandemic + retirement + moving to a remote location in the woods in northern Wisconsin 6 years ago have taken their toll.

I am fiercely independent.  The house is in my name.  W and I have been together for 15 years.  We got married at the courthouse in March 2020. W has been sober over 17 years, but he no longer goes to meetings.  We both have had trauma in our lives, his much more severe than mine.

W was very charming initially. He is smart, funny, controlling, quick to be offended and become verbally abusive.  He has a background in electrical/mechanical engineering and can fix almost anything.  I was never afraid to live alone before, but with him I moved out of my comfort zone.  We have invested all of our money and energy in our home in the woods. Last year we were terrorized by a neighbor who lives a block away. He stalked past our property (which is located on a dead end road) carrying a spear and a 9mm pistol - threatened to stab our dogs and shoot W.  We had to go through the circuit court judge to get a restraining order.  Thankfully he has obeyed the order so far.  We continue to build security systems and fences.

I write all this to explain why I would not feel comfortable living here alone, and I am not ready to give up on dreams W and I share. Perhaps some day, but I do not feel strong enough physically or emotionally at this point in time.

I do however need to be strong in my boundaries.  I cannot allow him to abuse me (never any physical abuse).  I want to make sure I am never in his care again while disabled.

As I said, my hip replacement was on June 7, and I was sent home the same day.  Beginning with day 2, W got me up to give me my pills - yelling at me to sit up and hold my hand out for the medications.  He proceeded to complain about how all of this was difficult for him.  This has gone on until the last few days since I started feeling better.

I suffered pain and fevers on and off since the surgery, the entire time listening to W make it all about him.  He repeatedly accused me of being depressed, that I did not ever want to do anything. (I put the surgery off for nearly a year due to COVID). The fevers and pain increased over the 4th of July weekend, I developed a scary rash and was very weak.

On Monday July 5th I packed an overnight bag while W yelled saying Tilly was dying and I don't even care.  I waddled down to my car with my quad cane and drove 1.5 hours to where my doctors and friends are located.  I also have ADD and wouldn't you know I forgot my wallet.  I had no money or ID, and my bank was closed!  It is a good thing I learned how to ask for help.  I stayed with friends who cared for me. 

I went through many tests.  They thought the infection was in my new hip joint and was facing repeat surgeries and extended recovery.  All tests were negative so on Friday I went back to my internal medicine doctor who ordered additional blood work. I drove home and the next day I learned it was Lymes disease.  I have been on antibiotics since July 5 and will follow up with the infectious disease specialist this Thursday.  It seems the illness is easily treatable and caught in an early stage.

Phew.  There ya have it. Thank you for your support.



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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2021, 05:50:49 AM »
Gosh, Phyll, you have been through a lot!  I'm so sorry you didn't get the care and support you needed during your post op period.  It's really tough finding out that support isn't there, just when you need it most.  Boundaries are essential, I think you're right about that.  Although easier said than done, not least because other people don't always like them and that can be difficult.  But it sounds like you want to try to make your relationship and your life work better for you, and I think at least knowing what it is you need to work on is half the battle.

I think everyone on here has been through at least one of the things you've mentioned - I'll leave it to others to tell their story :)  But for me, growing up with alcoholics and my own drink issues in adult life is one thing I recognised in your story.  Crazy neighbours is another, although ours are more the inconsiderate kind rather than the restraining order kind.  He sounds very disturbed, I'm glad he's keeping his distance.  I can understand why you wouldn't feel comfortable out there alone.

I'm sorry that children weren't an option.  It's hard when that choice is made for you.  Tough one to cope with.  The fur babies sound lovely; we have a cat who thinks she's a dog lol.

Are you feeling any better physically?  I'm glad they caught the Lyme's early on.  I hope the treatments are doing their magic and that you start to feel better very soon xx

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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2021, 08:26:00 AM »
Not to sound flippant, but sometimes giving up a dream clears space for better dreams, ime.

Sometimes removing our grip is impossible.....we have to go round and round and round till we have no choice.  Till we've suffered and struggled enough that leaving hurts less than hanging in.

I'm hear to ask what if?

What if property values are high enough to get enough money to buy something with less maintenance, with the no murderous/stalker neighbors, with no spouse lacking empathy for you?

Everyone requires empathy, Phyll.

Everyone.

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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2021, 09:37:51 AM »
Well, not everyone is geared toward compassionately caring for another, especially if it's a close relationship and maybe W is also very dependent on his strong independent woman?

Not dismissing your feelings of frustration, anger, and being neglected/verbally abused. I swear, I think sometimes I'd rather deal with physical pain, than that. (That's just my quirk.) If one has never done caregiving, it can be hard physically, mentally & emotionally. I nursed my late hubby for the 3 months he was increasingly enfeebled - cancer. I swear my night nurses ended up taking almost as much care of me, as him. And I had my meltdowns. And later, the guilt whiplash.

Sounds like you're not quite as far out in the woods as I am. More of a rural subdivision, is that a good description? One thing I remind all new homesteaders is that it takes a good long while to get to know people and eventually be accepted by the people who've lived there, all their lives. Social life & activities are scarce; people way out put work before other types of activities. But almost to a person, everyone who chooses to live remote - simply wants to be left alone and an essential skill or requirement of such an environment is to be as independent and self-sufficient as possible. That goal is NOT the reality, however as some projects/jobs require more than one person. So helping others & knowing who can/will help you... is needed. That really does take time.

I lived alone out here for several years, before my D moved in. First time ever living alone. The structure of her life kinda disintegrated and she needed a place to regroup. (She spent at least half her teen years with me on the first homestead.) She ended up staying with a new SO. She now has her own house and I've added a huge chunk of natural woodland as a buffer from others in the area. The movers asked if I was afraid to live out here by myself (I'm a few years older than you). I just laughed. I know how to live around the wildlife and despite the fact that my hunters have shot a black bear here... I have yet to see one, because I don't attract them. It's people who are unpredictable and more predatory, in my mind. So I can defend myself against them, too. That seques nicely into the connection with the trauma I experienced 50 some years ago. It's all here somewhere. LOLOLOL.

It all came out in bits & bobs; lots of rambling too and mental drifting.... sometimes in all caps; sometimes very very quietly.

Do you think you can talk to your hubby and ask him about some of the things that are bothering you? Is it possible he reacted so nastily, because the reality of maybe not having you around, doing for him, scared the livin' bejesus out of him? And he really doesn't have the skills to barely take care of himself - much less another person? (I'm not projecting here; it really is something I've been noticing in some people around me - so I ask, as sort of a process of elimination.)
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« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2021, 09:52:27 AM »
Hi Phyll --
Couple of rambling, bare-bones or brass-tacks questions:

Did you buy this house to make W happy (his dream?) or did you both share the same vision of where you'd like to live?

Do you have any friends or family within reach to support or help you?

If not, do you have any interests, faith or politics or community volunteer efforts you'd be involved in if you weren't in recovery mode? (Or could look forward to?)

If yes, do any of these exist nearby? (I'm thinking, build that village....)

I'm extremely sorry W gives himself permission to treat you that way. That has to stop.

I'm really glad the house is in your name.

Safety and support are the two biggest words for you going off in my mind right now.

And relief of pain.

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« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2021, 01:01:49 PM »
Thank you Hero Members and Newbie - You all make excellent points on which I am pondering.  I am in my gathering information and support phase.  I at least figure I can continue that phase until I can get rid of the quad cane and can carry a box if need be!  The minute I think I can stay in this the next thing I know is I cannot.  Then there is the need to use my voice! I appreciate all your experience.  Thank you so much!  Keep it coming and I will continue to share.

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« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2021, 08:12:23 PM »
Hi all,  I wanted to get back to you regarding your thoughtful comments and specific questions that were asked in this thread.  After this I will likely start a new thread.

Twoapenny - Yes, I am feeling better physically.  Still using the quad cane - but more for balance now  than support.  I see the surgeon tomorrow for a follow-up.  Thursday I see the infectious disease specialist.  I completed all of the oral antibiotics and hope to have confirmed what I suspect,  that the Lyme's disease was caught early and is easily treated.
The neighbor is indeed disturbed.  From what I gather, he may have been like this for years, but his wife died a year before his stalking behavior started (did I mention he mostly walked at night in the pitch dark?).  I think she sort of kept him in line.  She had dementia the last few years and he cared for her at home.  It is fortunate I was not able to get in the middle of all that and try to help them - that would have been right up my alley!

lighter - Not flippant at all, and I have walked through that same what if regarding selling the house. It is a buyer's market right now. There are a number of unfinished projects W has started, not finished, with supplies purchased all over the place... I realize a home can sell regardless. And thank you for acknowledging that everyone needs empathy.

sKePTiKal - I would not necessarily call this a rural subdivision.  The gravel road leading to the home from the county highway is a logging road.  There are 2 miles past state and county land before reaching the "subdivision."  You are correct - folks generally keep to themselves.  Most of the parcels around here are summer and/or hunting cottages .  I have 6.7 acres.  We currently have 5 full time residents including us, 2 of which became permanent within the last year. 

Hopalong - Good question but no, I wanted to move here.  I owned a 2 bedroom ranch on a golf course in the city for 17 years.  It was my idea to move to the country.  I bought a house about 30 miles out in the midst of farm fields.  We learned Big Ag was not consistent with the organic principals we tried to use.  Lots of CAFOs and contaminated wells getting closer so we bailed. We looked a long time to find this place.  A little further out than I thought I wanted, but since I was a teleworker it really did not matter how far away I lived. 
I do have friends and family who are willing to help me, but my brothers each live 3 hours away in different directions.  No one who would just let me move in I don't think! Have to say I sure miss my Mom.  I have my AA community, a retreat this fall I hope to attend, and a friend found a Women's AlAnon Zoom meeting last night that we participated in. 

CB - Yes, putting physical health first is necessary.  Last night the Al-Anon topic was self-care.  Today another friend shared something about extracting oneself from a toxic person is the ultimate in self care. I so hope I can be strong enough to do that. I really got myself in deep this time.

Tonight W complained when I told him I had appointments with 2 health care providers tomorrow.  He is taking prednisone (which probably does not help his moods) for an autoimmune disorder. I also told him I have jury duty in August (the judge let me postpone it twice). He says I am going to bring home the delta variant of covid to him, he is going to die, and I will be alone - that he better finish all these projects.
 I assured him I would take all necessary precautions.  Then he said he hopes he dies and accused me of not showing empathy.  It is all about him and he's right, I don't feel much empathy. 
I even cancelled a hair appt. for the morning - (1st one in 18 months) to get rid of this pandemic hairstyle. I did it because although I am fully vaccinated - I do not want to get sick at all right now after this hip surgery and Lymes disease!

Thanks for "listening."

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« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2021, 04:43:03 AM »
I'm glad your physical health is heading in the right direction, Phyll, I think it's harder to deal with emotional stuff if you have physical stuff going on as well.  I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the Lyme's has been treated quickly!

Do you think your hubby has always been this way or has he become more morose or selfish more recently?  Sometimes it's hard, I think, we can live with someone for years and not really notice some of the things they say or do.  Then suddenly something happens and it's like someone pulled the blinds up and you can see clearly for the first time.  I think it's good that you're noticing, anyway, and looking for ways to deal with it.  I hope you can get a haircut soon!  Mine looked like someone had planted a bush on my head :)  Lol.  I hope the deranged neighbour continues to stay away xx

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« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2021, 07:01:03 AM »
I thought I ought to add to my story that I married W so he would have health insurance.  I previously was able to cover him through my employer as a domestic partner, but they dropped that after domestic partners could marry legally.  It was a few months later that W developed the polymyalgia.

Twoapenny - There have been issues with W that I became aware of early in our relationship - when I was no longer perfect in his eyes and thrown off the pedestal.  It seems baffling why I stayed with him, but I know it has everything to do with my codependency.  It is most recently that I realized he lacks the capacity for empathy.

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« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2021, 09:08:07 AM »
I wonder if the steroids have cause a personality change in W?
But you did say, verbally abusive and controlling were evident early on?

I'm so sorry.
You must feel stuck but I also hear a whole lot of strength in you.

You don't deserve this, and I hope you can gather as much strength as you need to decide what your next chapter is going to be about -- placating W or fulfilling P?

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