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BlueTopaz

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« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2005, 09:39:44 PM »
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Too much being with people and my energy levels drop to zilch.
I have to recover from long phone calls (have silence).


Portia:

Yes, this is exactly true for me as well.

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I'm going to search through my archives for some stuff on I and Es. It helped me so much....to be allowed to be a hermit and like it, for example....might take me a while...


There is a book called "The Highly Sensitive Person"-by Elaine Aron that is all about what she calls the natural born trait (very validating!)of "high sensitivity".  It is the norm for HSP's as they are called for short, to need "recovery" time from both interactions with people, and from just being out there in the bustling, sense assaulting world.  

Some other HS traits are sensitivity to noise(that would not nec. bother others), pitches & tones of people's voices, light or the like (ie. I am very sensitive to the strong waxed shine on the floors in some malls!) Something so benign feels like an assault on my senses.  HSP's also tend to startle more easily, are sensitive to smells, and often prefer more time alone than with people.  They are happy that way.   Not that they don't like being with people (they do when they feel energized & are "ready" for it) but it is only that the balance is dif. than with a non HSP.

Many, many HSP's find it extremely difficult to work full time because it is just too much for their system.  It is waaaay too draining to be in a work enviroment for a full 8 hrs. 5 days per week.  It can be draining enough for the entire day just getting there! (crowded transit or traffic). This of course, can present a lot of hardship.  

Emotional sensitivities include increased empathy, easy notice of many situational details (that others usually don't notice), heightened intuition, easily able to feel the energy of others, more affected in mood by music, art, stories (tv, movies, book concepts).  Everyday very deep thinkers in terms of life questions (ie. why am I here, meaning of life, etc.)

HSP's also have to watch a struggle with depression.  There may be physio. components but since they often look beyond the surface at deeper life questions & meanings, their thinking tends to be more "heavy".  I have tired my own self out mentally with my own thinking at times.  

I don't know if you'd consider yourself in that category but I just thought I would mention it when I read your exchange in this thread, in case.

Aside from the book, if you just type in "highly sensitive person" in a search engine you will be able to read about it online.

BT

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« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2005, 09:29:03 AM »
Hi October, I’ve been web-searching for some basic info, and was reading up on extrovert fears, phobias and panics last night. Fascinating stuff. It made such a difference to me discovering that I wasn’t an extrovert (I had thought I was). I don’t know if any of this will help. Some quotes I’ve pulled from the websites mentioned. Let me know what you think. All of this below is based on Dorothy Rowe’s work which is grounded in the I / E distinction. She’s an introvert, so I like her stuff. I’m not sure extroverts do like her stuff though…!

http://tinyurl.com/5c7q7 (excerpt below)
"We often reveal our top priority and our greatest fear in the things we say. I would have assumed that the television presenter Graham Norton was an extrovert, but he proved this when he was interviewed on Desert Island Discs. When Sue Lawley asked him what luxury he wanted on his island he asked for a mirror, saying: “It would be quite good, to save your sanity, if you could see that you exist, rather than just be kind of lost in the trees.” Here Graham Norton is talking about what all extroverts feel when they find themselves utterly alone, rejected and abandoned. They feel they are going to disappear. They’ll look in the mirror and see no one there.
It is tremendously important to know whether you’re an introvert or an extrovert so that you can recognise what kind of event is the most threatening to you. When I lecture about introverts and extroverts I always find that the introverts in the audience feel that I’m not telling them anything they didn’t already know about themselves. Many of the extroverts know that that’s what they are, but when someone says to me, “I don’t know what I am” or “I think I’m a bit of both,” I feel pretty sure that that person is an extrovert. It’s to be expected. Extroverts are engaged with the world around them while introverts look inwards to plan, organise and keep things under control."

http://www.energygrid.com/mind/books.html
The Successful Self / Dorothy Rowe
"How we define and experience success depends on whether we are an extravert or an introvert. Whilst this theme of "two-types" runs through most of Rowe's books, it is most elucidated in this one. The result might be a little surprising… those who have automatically assumed they were introverts might actually be shy extraverts, and those who are extravert, might well be social introverts. These points are very important if you are to understand the mechanism by which you approach life and by which you define your success. Great book."

http://www.positivehealth.com/Reviews/books/rowe52.htm
"An extract from Breaking the Bonds (see page 26) describes poignant images of what it feels like to be depressed: to be trapped in a prison of our own making, utterly cut off from everybody else, yet somehow safe. Dorothy Rowe argues convincingly that we become depressed because of our life events, our reactions to these events and our inability to realize that many of our fundamental beliefs about life, our parents, God and ourselves are in grave need of updating and correction."

From an Amazon reviewer :
"she divides human beings into two distinct psychological types, introvert and extravert, whose relationships may be complementary or antagonistic. These two types can be further sub-divided; I was fascinated to discover the "socially-skilled introvert" and the "shy extravert", each of whom may live life believing themselves their own opposite!"

And from a book I’ve got ‘Beyond Fear’:
“Extraverts think introverts are crazy :D , always wanting to know why, and coming up with all kinds of ludicrous explanations which change nothing.  :roll: Extraverts prefer to get on and do something without waiting for an explanation. So long as they get their feelings right – plenty of excitement, and enthusiasm, warmth and closeness – they feel fine. Introverts like to keep their heads in order; extraverts their hearts.”

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« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2005, 09:32:38 AM »
Hiya BT. Thank you for all the excellent info above. I want to come back to it and chat more if that’s okay. Speak to you later but many thanks in the meantime (must prepare myself for an encounter with the outside world now :shock:  :D ) P

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« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2005, 01:25:14 PM »
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http://tinyurl.com/5c7q7 (excerpt below)
Here Graham Norton is talking about what all extroverts feel when they find themselves utterly alone, rejected and abandoned. They feel they are going to disappear. They’ll look in the mirror and see no one there.

 “I don’t know what I am” or “I think I’m a bit of both,” I feel pretty sure that that person is an extrovert. It’s to be expected. Extroverts are engaged with the world around them while introverts look inwards to plan, organise and keep things under control."



These quotes are interesting, but because I have so many introvert qualities at present, because of agoraphobia, I think it is not easy for me to tell which I am.  Sometimes I do not recognise the person in the mirror, and sometimes there is no-one there.  But I tend to avoid mirrors.  I thought those things were a function of dissociation.   :?

This morning my daughter (11) went for a bike ride.  For various reasons she has been at home for months and months and months.  She very rarely gets to school, and when she does it is highly stressful for both her and me.  (She is not agoraphobic - her illness is physical and as yet only partially diagnosed)  However, when she left this morning - with tyres pumped up and her helmet on - I lay down in my room and felt so relaxed - like a huge weight had been lifted from me.  It lasted for ten minutes and then the phone rang.  I answered it, and at the same time saw her on the drive on her bike, ringing me from her mobile.   :lol:

She then came in, and I tried to notice how I felt (which is not easy for me as I tend not to monitor or pay attention.)  There was a weight pushing down on my chest, stopping me from breathing properly, and it is still there.  Clearly, having her at home when I am not resilient is taking its toll, and is not good for me.  But whether this is my ptsd, or introversion, or worry about her, or what, I do not know.  :?  


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http://www.energygrid.com/mind/books.html
The Successful Self / Dorothy Rowe
 those who have automatically assumed they were introverts might actually be shy extraverts, and those who are extravert, might well be social introverts.

 These two types can be further sub-divided; I was fascinated to discover the "socially-skilled introvert" and the "shy extravert", each of whom may live life believing themselves their own opposite!"



If I am an introvert, I am a socially skilled one (although I choose not to use these skills most of the time, because of ptsd symptoms.  But when I do it is easy.).  If I am an extravert, I am a very reclusive one.  Rather confusing.  I wonder whether, in that case, it would make any difference to me, and whether the categories are not in fact as meaningful as they appear.  


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And from a book I’ve got ‘Beyond Fear’:
“Extraverts think introverts are crazy :D , always wanting to know why, and coming up with all kinds of ludicrous explanations which change nothing.  :roll: Extraverts prefer to get on and do something without waiting for an explanation. So long as they get their feelings right – plenty of excitement, and enthusiasm, warmth and closeness – they feel fine. Introverts like to keep their heads in order; extraverts their hearts.”



I don't think I can draw a line between these two.  I don't think anyone is crazy (only me).   :D   I always want to know why, but I also always like to do anything that can be done, or at least plan it out.  

I think I would conclude by saying that the distinction is not clear to  me.  As I understood it formerly, introverts gain energy from being alone; extroverts from being in company with other people.

With me, I lose energy from being with some other people, but there are a select few who can be either benign or energy giving, although it does vary.  By preference I would be with others, but by condition I have to spend a lot of time alone in order to reduce anxiety levels and keep flashbacks to a minimum.  In effect, the ptsd has changed me from an extrovert (if that is what I was) into someone with enforced introverted behaviours, and that is probably why it is so difficult to be me.  Whoever that is.   :oops:

Thanks for such a lot of research, Portia.  Clearly something to think about!!

C
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« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2005, 01:37:31 PM »
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It made such a difference to me discovering that I wasn’t an extrovert (I had thought I was).



Hiya again - just struck me - I bet you are a J too.  Which is why you want to know the answers, and feel happy when you find them.   :lol:

I'm P.  Which is why I am happy to leave it all undecided, but keep on collecting information.

C
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« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2005, 05:25:39 PM »
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I want to come back to it and chat more if that’s okay.


Anytime you feel like it... :)

BT