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[Meh]

Bleh software I need for school is giving me trouble so giving up on perfection at the moment. Maybe that's what I get for not being prepared.

-- rest below is "fear mongering" ----

This just came out in the news and published in JAMA. I've been searching for something that has rate of intensive care and a death rate. I guess it's still difficult to know what this means in a large general sense but it is not good and I worry the news attempts to downplay things because they simply are not prepared to deal with people in all out panic mode. I'm feeling bad for healthcare workers on the front lines man. I'm sure by some people's standards I am over reacting but I HATE getting sick, illness is looking at your own weakness and knowing that life is fragile. It is highly infectious. It's difficult for people to get into care centers in China so who knows about the sample being reflective of general society. Still I don't like it one bit. My state has one quarantine center that hasn't been used at now they are talking about building up a second one already.

Excerpt:

"Findings  In this single-center case series involving 138 patients with NCIP, 26% of patients required admission to the intensive care unit and 4.3% died. Presumed human-to-human hospital-associated transmission of 2019-nCoV was suspected in 41% of patients."

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761044

By the way Hiya SKEP, LIGHTER, HOPS!, CB123 and TWO.

Lighter I am a hand washer but not a toilet bowl cover closer, never thought of that, it's a good idea really because SPRAY!.Swine flu sounds miserable I think I did avoid it by not touching door knobs. Thanks for the tip about Tamiflu, I never tried it. UP to this point I felt I was pretty good at not getting sick because I wash my hands before I eat and the first thing I do after being out in public is wash my hands at home (not 50 times).

Agreed Hops it had the earmarks of a pandemic from the start. I will stress out it's just my thing even if I have to live in a shed on the far side of the moon I'm trying to mentally figure out what this is all about. I just don't want to drown in my own lung puss. Yuck its a bad way to go.

[sKePTiKal]

I agree it's something to be aware of, follow, keep an eye on. BUT - stressing (anxiety is stress) does take a toll on a person's immune system. When a worry like this is added on top of our other life/daily stress... sometimes it can escalate over the top.

Hang in there G. I'm thinking "this too shall pass". Even while recognizing we probably have till March to know for sure,  if it's going to be an issue outside of China (India is looking likely).

[lighter]

WHO, on God's green earth, gets on a cruise ship during an Int'l pandemic outbreak?

::thinking about that question as I head pack top head for a big port city::.

Just the idea of leaving the girls during this thing is starting to.....

NO NO NO NO.....

youngest dd had flu shot. 

Oldest has the healthiest immune system around.

I'm not going to worry about this now.

Wow. 

I feel much better: )

Lighter

[Meh]

Officially burnt out on the topic of coronavirus. The news outlets generate new reports every 20 minutes even if they have no news, I guess to maintain readership or something. There does appear to be severe suppression and cover up by the Chinese gov that only leads to speculation. It's the new normal already and feels like old news. It's going to be interesting to find out what the world health organization is allowed access to, they have no real power.

[Hopalong]

Hey G--

My ears perked up when I heard the word "school."

What did you finally decide to do?

So glad for you.

hugs
Hops

[sKePTiKal]

JUST AN FYI - HEADS UP DR. G -

My direct forum bookmark goes to some Lunarpages domain page instead of coming here. However, the forum is available from the message board link on your homepage - AND has the same DNS name. Looks like a bit of a hijack - or Safari (the browser) is getting hit with another javascript redirect script.

Obviously, since I posted this, I found a way in. LOL.

[Dr. Richard Grossman]

Thanks, Skep!  I posted a separate thread addressing this problem.  From what I can tell, it's working fine again, but let me know if there are any issues.

Richard

[Meh]

Hiya, Hops I thought I responded but it doesn't look like it saved. Well I'm still trying to get more paperwork approved and stuff like that so I still don't know what they are going to agree to. But I've been taking classes anyhow this quarter and Fall as well, just random things to see if I can do it and I decided I can be a student. I took a paralegal class and now I'm taking some writing classes and a business class, just general stuff until something is final.

[Meh]

So I usually don't type about where I live but I'm not sure I care anymore. I live in Washington state and until a few months ago I lived just a few blocks away from the Evergreen Hospital in Kirkland which is where there was recently a Covid19 death reported.

One wonders what communities are going to look like here in the US. Schools will shut down, libraries will shut down. It's all worrisome and tonight I've got myself kind of worked up again after chatting with an old coworker about it who lives in that area still.

Tired, having a beer, have the TV on mute showing ridiculous wrestling because I'm not paying attention to it and never watch that. I'm really stressed about this. I think all a person can hope to do is prepare and try to social distance, but that is a difficult thing to accomplish even if attempted in earnest.

So community transmission is happening in an obvious way here now. It's inevitable and in a month or two all of western WA is bound to be pretty dicey.

There is a nursing home facility in Kirkland WA with an outbreak happening so far two people there were confirmed, about 50 people are sick at that nursing home. The firefighters who responded to that now have to be quarantined. A random teenager North of Seattle was diagnosed, no known travel or contact. I postal service work South of Seattle has been confirmed. It's getting around.

A news reporter stuck a microphone in the face of a Phlebotomist at the nursing facility to talk and they were also interviewing family members in their cars that were coming and going out of the facility visiting relatives who are staying there. There is no way this is contained whatsoever.

https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/report-dozens-kirkland-nursing-facility-reporting-symptoms-that-might-suggest-coronavirus/2YXV65ZP6VBSZDVX53SUWXLYYU/

I wonder how all the little businesses with face-to-face customer service are going to cope with all of this.

[Hopalong]

I know, me too.
I feel worst for the very low income folks without health care or paid leave.
It's immoral.

Perhaps this pandemic will be a wake-up call for our health system and politics.

We have much better care than existed at the time of the Spanish Flu, but evidently it's quite hard on the body (in bad cases), chewing holes in lungs, etc. Still, the highest  death rate is among the elderly (gulp, 70?) and the immune-compromised.

The county next to M's kids' homes is quarantined and they're worried. The DIL is a nurse and there's a corona patient one floor above her....

Masks are for not transmitting it to others; they don't prevent one from getting it, but help prevent spreading it. We haven't gotten masks anyway as everybody's out of them.

Try not to be too scared, G...another really important thing to remember is that in the majority of cases, it's just like having the flu or even milder.

Hugs
Hops

[Meh]

For the older generation over 60s, WHO advises avoiding crowded places.

https://inews.co.uk/news/health/world-health-organisation-chief-warning-elderly-crowded-places-2005411

[lighter]

Avoiding flu.

Don't touch public stuff with your hands.... use a tissue..... wash hands often including thumbs, backs of hands, wrists and between fingers...carry hand santitizer, stay away from cruises and airports..... get plenty of rest to beef up your immune system..... try not to touch your face if you can help it.

I always cough into my elbow... since the girls were in Pre-school cause that's how they learned to do it.  I'm  glad I don't have to get on a plane anytime soon.

Great.  Now I'm worried about sis and her family traveling internationally this month.  Lord, planes, airports and customs...... so not a good idea right now.

Lighter

[Meh]

Those are all good reminders Lighter. In Seattle, we are now up to six deaths.

I'm thinking about how I am going to do social distancing as much as possible. There are people who still aren't taking this seriously and I am just going to do my own thing as best I can.

We had a sky scraper shut down for cleaning in downtown Seattle. I definitely need to just unplug a bit but it's really hard to do that. I've got other things I need to get done too. I'm riveted on the situation though.

I think at some point people will get used to the new death rates and there will be so much pressure to get local businesses on track again that people will be asked to stop taking precautions.

[Hopalong]

M is flying to CA Wednesday. There a week, then back for a week.
Then he flies back to CA for another week.

May have mentioned this...his DIL, a nurse, has a corona patient in isolation a floor away.

The administration is not honest and not competent and not trustworthy, which is adding to fear.

I think the article in the Atlantic (We're all going to get the corona virus) is helpful for perspective. Yes, it means we will all be exposed, some will have such a mild case we'll barely notice, and the elderly are more vulnerable....and here it comes. Some will die.

Not much we can do other than the recommended hygiene measures, avoiding crowds, and maintaining health as best we can. Not panic. Don't focus on masks. Don't stockpile yet. (I did order a few dried foodstuffs but not much.)

It'll get worse before it gets better, but it will get better. They may have a vaccine in 18 months.

[Meh]

Agreed Hops, a large number of people do not have faith or trust in the current top Gov officials right now. Our Senator Patty Murray ripped him a new one over this. She said they aren't giving coordination, direction and support to states on response plans. It's every person for themselves.

The first patient we had in this area was at an Everett Hospital with a robot and experimental drugs he lived, after that there were 9 deaths, eight at one Kirkland hospital. There has been no reporting at all about the treatment they are giving them if any. It sounds bad but I think they are maybe rationing treatment with priority to military and whoever is special. I have no evidence but it's just odd that the only case where they talked about the details of care was the first case.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt7uAQZvcUY          Clip our Sen Patty Murray

I wouldn't travel unless I absolutely had to.

There is a case now in North Carolina that is linked back to our outbreak here in the nursing home.. it spreads.

We now have Swedish, Virginia Mason, Providence, and a couple other medical centers that have had corona patients. So I think it's really important for people to try and stay healthy in general and not go to medical facilities if we don't have to.

Students are petitioning to shut down the University of WA. The UW is also a medical center area and high density, a big city school so it would be/ probably already is a breeding ground for the bug.

I've been at home though and no longer in the city for the last few months so I haven't been seeing in first hand, just local reports.

I'm going to lay low for as long as I can, I have asthma and otherwise piece o' crap lungs, so I'm screwed.

If it looks like Corona Drive Like Daytona!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjWiydTSCK8

... AND now we have an employee at an Amazon building who has Covid19, smack dab downtown Seattle.