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bkkabri

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« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2005, 05:10:33 PM »
Thanks Longtire.  I know what I consider intimacy in my life.  I want to be in a relationship where my partner and I can have honest talks about our experiences in life.  To talk honestly about our dreams and aspirations and accepting each others flaws in life.  I want feel like my partner can lean on me in times of need, and allows me to have the same opportunity.  I beleive intamacy is seeing your partner succeeding in her desires and being there to share in the experience.  I beleive that my significant other is my best friend.  My lover and confidont(sp).  I never threatened my relationship with my ex.  She just kept pushing me during a time that was supposed to be special.  I know you dont think much of me with some of my anger and I do apologize, but imagine sitting there with somebody you love and they think so little of you and Xmas to go to a porn store, wrap it up and give it to you on Xmas morning.  It took alot of thought to be so cruel to me.  Imagine going to buy roses, buy a necklace, and take her to a great dinner.  Tell her how beautiful she is, and then just talk about a televiision show on VH1 and then have the response from the one you want to make feel special and they are upset because of somebodies fake breast.  Imagine how you defend yourself against such a statement.  Imagine how bad you feel knowing that everything you did to make a person feel loved just went off on you for nothing you can understand.  Imagine that person blaming you for their thoughts and not taking any responsiblity for their actions.  Imagine talking with a medical professional about your dad dying in your arms to have her know that I need their support to ease down on the medical disesase talk, and imagine the one you love who said loves you to say get over your dad dying.  I dont want to walk around your feelings because he died years ago.  Imagine knowing you believed her loving words only to condemn you as a man who cant understand that she wants me to give my life to her but doesnt feel she should have to give back the same.  I write a mile a minute because I cant beleive that I tried to be sincere and not disrespectful and it works against me.  I wish I said nothing, because I feel like she misunderstood what I was saying.  I dont get a second chance.  People say I am crazy for even wanting one, but I miss and LOVED the woman I met the first year.  I dont understand why she needed to lie and be with me in the first place.  She could have just gone out with me and said goodbye.  I hate that she wasnt sincere with her feelings.  I was there to listen.  To be a person she could count on.  I dont want to love anymore, because I dont trust my ability to smell out somebody wanting to take advantage of me.  Guest, I dont mean to talk at you.  I guess I just get hurt by your words because you seem to take sides against me and say that I was at fault for her actions.  I did nothing to hurt her, I only wanted to grow together as a couple and she just kept pushing me away.  In the end she wins becasue she is happy to hurt me as a person and she has what she wants- A person who will spend their nights talking about diseases and patient loads.  I thought she would enjoy talking and having fun with us.  All she cares about is her career, I am an afterthought.  She was always in my heart.  The problem is she doesnt even beleive it.  I guess I dont know how to treat a woman.

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« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2005, 05:29:27 PM »
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Thanks Longtire. I know what I consider intimacy in my life. I want to be in a relationship where my partner and I can have honest talks about our experiences in life. To talk honestly about our dreams and aspirations and accepting each others flaws in life. I want feel like my partner can lean on me in times of need, and allows me to have the same opportunity. I beleive intamacy is seeing your partner succeeding in her desires and being there to share in the experience. I beleive that my significant other is my best friend. My lover and confidont(sp).


Sounds great!  Brian, I think you've nailed it in this part of the post.  Keep your desires in mind and keep coming back to that.  Sorry if my previous post came off as condemning, that wasn't my intent.  I'm still trying to internalize this lesson myself, and its painful every time I hit the wall.
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« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2005, 05:31:04 PM »
It seems to me that you were in love with the idea of being in love.  You know now some of the problems that she has and that she isn't interested on working on those problems or developing intimacy.  Is this the type of woman you want?  Is this the type of woman you can experience intimacy with?  I don't think so.  You seem to want her to be what she is not, sure she has the potential to be all those things, but she isn't interested now in being that.
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« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2005, 05:35:44 PM »
You said that in the end she wins and gets what she wants, which was to push you away.  I think in the end YOU are the one who wins.  You now have the opportunity to learn from this and the opportunity to be free to go find someone to be intimate with.

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« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2005, 05:36:50 PM »
That last post about that you are the winner was mine also.
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« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2005, 05:58:07 PM »
My two cents.
Intimacy only exists as a byproduct of something else. That something else is mutual unconditional love. Unconditional love is not an emotion, it is an act of sacrifice on behalf of another, practiced continually. And it must be mutual or there isn't intimacy; there is a martyr and an executioner.

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« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2005, 08:07:09 PM »
Dear bkkrabi,
First of all i want to say thank you for all your honesty on this board, and it has helped me to read the things that you write. Please do not stop loving I think you will be more unhappy then. I understand about how hard it is when you have been hurt so badly. I decided that I wasn't going to love anymore for similar reasons to you and it had disasterous consequences for me.
Also, I was wondering what it felt like to you to give to her and if it reminded you of the way you gave to anyone else from your past?

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« Reply #22 on: March 01, 2005, 08:08:59 PM »
I just want guest to know(not Longtire) I am not in love with love.  I fell in love with a person who claimed to love me.  A person who said I make her day, and she made mine.  A woman who made me feel like a million bucks and proud to be with her.  I have met women since who think I am great and would like to go out.  As a man, I choose to tell them that I am not available emotionally and that I dont want to hurt them by leading them on.  Thats because I dont love to love anyone.  I genuinely felt a connection with this person and I hate the fact that the whole time she was lying about who she is.  I actually have a friend who was friends with her before Deena kicked her out of her life, that said she would not allow this person or anybody else she was friends with to hang out with us.  Not ever.  I dont understand how a woman could tell a person that she doesnt want me around her friends.  In two years, I only met two friends.  I introduced her to over 30 people I consider friends.  The woman introduced us and she wasnt even invited to my surprise party.  She is my next door neighbor and she wasnt invited.  My point is I take love, marriage, and friendship seriously.  I dont fall in love just because.

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« Reply #23 on: March 01, 2005, 08:21:06 PM »
She lied to you about who she was, so were you in love with the lie or in love with the person you now know she is?
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« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2005, 08:09:15 AM »
I loved the lie.  I still do.  Its hard because I know that person doesnt exist but the shell of the person who I was attracted to walks around with somebody else and I feel like the lie is out there again and now its a true being.  I dont know if that makes sense.  I want the woman I had back before the flipping out.  All she cares about is medicine.  The guy has what I cant give.  He can provide the NS for her because she loves to talk about her knowledge in medicine because she doestn have anything else to talk about.  I feel like that is true love to her, and I hate it because I feel like if I was a better listener about medicine this wouldnt have happened.  I know its wrong to think this way, but I am so confused.  
I am alone and I miss holding her and sleeping next to her and feeling safe.  I know I dont feel safe anymore because I was walking on egg shells, but I dont understand how she can say she said all the stuff she did in our conversation.  They were all lies.  She never talked about us having a problem.  I am a mature adult.  I would have done anything to meet our needs including listening and giving more attention.  All she had to do was ask.  I miss the woman I met.   How can a woman be so cruel?

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« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2005, 11:05:57 PM »
Bkkabri
How long are you going to keep mulling over these same things in your head about this woman? I'm really glad to see that you're getting professional help, just wondering when you're going to turn off that internal tape recorder..

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« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2005, 06:27:48 PM »
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I just want guest to know(not Longtire) I am not in love with love.  I fell in love with a person who claimed to love me.  A person who said I make her day, and she made mine.  A woman who made me feel like a million bucks and proud to be with her.  I have met women since who think I am great and would like to go out.  As a man, I choose to tell them that I am not available emotionally and that I dont want to hurt them by leading them on.  Thats because I dont love to love anyone.  I genuinely felt a connection with this person and I hate the fact that the whole time she was lying about who she is.  I actually have a friend who was friends with her before Deena kicked her out of her life, that said she would not allow this person or anybody else she was friends with to hang out with us.  Not ever.  I dont understand how a woman could tell a person that she doesnt want me around her friends.  In two years, I only met two friends.  I introduced her to over 30 people I consider friends.  The woman introduced us and she wasnt even invited to my surprise party.  She is my next door neighbor and she wasnt invited.  My point is I take love, marriage, and friendship seriously.  I dont fall in love just because.


I really hope this doesn't sound cruel, but I think you need to move on.  Your posts are extremely repetitive and it seems to me that you are 'stuck' in a terrible place, grieving about a woman who doesn't give a 'hoot' about you.  You make this more than obvious in all your posts.

You have posted 'msn' conversations with her (which I consider unethical and unfair because they are considered 'private').

If this woman was so cruel and unhinged to you, why are you still fixated on her?  This is not healthy?

I have also posted before that I think you have serious, unresolved issues surrounding your Dad's death and I am so sorry for you about this and can understand your pain.

I am sorry that the woman you considered your 'ideal' wasn't - but your 'idealisation' of her isn't healthy either....

Please continue with your therapy because we all want the best for you...