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« Reply #45 on: March 17, 2005, 01:03:34 PM »
Hi Bloopsy,

I'm wondering if it goes something like this....if you think you are bad, evil, a monster, etc., then you have more control over the situation. But if others turn out to be the bad ones who are doing horrible things, then you might "lose it" and get yourself in trouble by acting out. But you can't always convince yourself that you're bad and they're okay. Then it gets confused and overwhelming. Does any of that happen...?

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« Reply #46 on: March 17, 2005, 01:33:09 PM »
yes.  I always think I deserve to be punished that Ed told me so and I believed him because I agread. I don't know if i am bad or they are. Today I just need to lie down. When I atart to think that they are bad then I get very angry and I'm afraid I will be mean and be kicked out of the house and have no where to go or to be ended up in the hospital.

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« Reply #47 on: March 17, 2005, 01:36:55 PM »
Bloopsy, my anger comes out one way or another.  I'm tired of it coming out in ways that hurt me too.  Starting about a year and a half ago I started screaming and cursing at my wife.  Granted, she was and has been doing a lot of hateful stuff.  Still, my reaction shocked and scared me.  I felt very out of control and afraid that I would be stuck in rage for the rest of my life.  I thought that I had "snapped" and would never be "me" again.  I'm not trying to compare the intensity of my experience to yours.  Thank God no one ever raped me, because my parents were completely out of touch and would not have been able help me in any useful way!

Now, in hindsight, I realize that I HAD to feel my anger and even my out of control rage in order to know what I want and who I am.  I DIDN'T know myself before I started getting angry.  At that time I thought I *was* anger because that's all I saw.  I was just holding it all in and aiming it at myself.  Somehow, all of this anger and rage started coming out when I was ready to grow.  I didn't realize I was ready to grow.  I wasn't looking to grow.  I wasn't conscious of any of this at all, it just happened when I was ready.  I didn't feel ready.  I still don't.  But, that is what has started me down the section of my road to recovery.  To recover my real self.

For me, there are 2 peices that I do to deal with all these feelings.  The first is letting it out.   Not that I have a choice!  I had to let out enough of all those years of anger and rage before I could see straight enough to do ANYTHING else.  It's hard to pay attention to yourself, others, or anything else while you are vomiting!  You just don't care at that point in time because you are taking care of more important stuff.  BTW, the most grateful I have ever been in my life was when a nurse helped me by doing the Heimlich Maneuver on me when I was vomiting in the hospital.  What a point of Grace that was to be held and helped at my lowest, most helpless point.

Once I had let  "enough" out, the pressure was more managable.  The single most helpful thing I do now is allow and accept my feelings.  I accept that they are MY feelings.  I try to make more "room" for them to keep the pressure low.  I don't try to change them.  I don't try to get rid of them.  I try to be aware of them, how they feel, where in my body I feel them, which inner family member I associate them with and anything else that comes to mind.  When I have done this "long enough" I always learn something, grow, make a decision I've been putting off, something.  When these feelings come up for me it is ALWAYS to help me take the next step somewhere in my life.  I know that now.  But, when I am in the middle of feeling it all and feeling overwhelmed and having tunnel vision it is SOOO hard to just sit with it.  That's the last thing I want to do.  It gets a little easier each time I practice it.  Every decision I make or feeling I reown is one less piece of baggage I have to carry around on my shoulders.

I hope this helps.  If nothing else, know you are not alone in having these feelings and thoughts, though that is exactly how it feels  for each of us.
longtire

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« Reply #48 on: March 17, 2005, 06:04:14 PM »
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I don't know if i am bad or they are


I don't know if this will help, but I started to really get better when I stopped trying to jump to conclusions about things.  Maybe don't comment about your anger to yourself-- don't try to figure out who is wrong, don't try to  figure out if it's ok if you have this anger.  Just have it.  Do whatever you like (within morality!) to deal with it, or don't do anything.  Just sit with it.  It won't kill you, I promise.  I think that those of us who came from abusive households are so ashamed of our emotions that it's as if we come to fear them. They're scary.  But the truth is, if you just sit by yourself, feeling as angry as you want to or don't want to, you will be fine.  Don't worry about processing the feelings, about talking about them with anyone (although we are here if you need us, as is your therapist if you have one).  

This may just be my  personal experience, but I found that some of my old friendships were with very N people (I didn't recognize this because of my childhood experience).  When I had emotions, these "friends" told me I was bad, wrong, confused, etc.  It certainly didn't help me at all... I guess I'm saying try to be careful whom you lean on right now.   Avoid anyone who echoes your negative fears about yourself.

Hang in there-- we are here for you!

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« Reply #49 on: March 17, 2005, 08:12:29 PM »
Thank you all you guys for helping me out today and all these days all along, it is so nice come here it feels like coming home. I have happy memories of today now and warmth in today. Sometimes it is not working to digest all of the stuff at once huh but it can seep in slowly.
Love,
Bloopsy

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« Reply #50 on: March 18, 2005, 06:53:05 AM »
I was wondering what anyone thought about being told tthat you are being overdramatic and if anyone else has this problem. Vunil you said to be careful of who to hang aroun d these days and I was thinking that maybe it would be better not to hang around anyone who thinks that I am being overdramatic. Eddi accused me of being a drama queen and a liar when I told him how I felt and my sponsor told me I was being overdramatic about feleing like I am perposefully killing myself with cigarettes. This feels very confusing and I think that it is because I wish that they were right so I pretend to myself that they are???? I don't understand the difference between being a drama queen and telling the truth. This one woman was on court tv about how she had breast implants and now she felt like she was boiling in hot oil and that Eddie accused her of being a drama queen once she started ranting about the hot oil and said that she has now lost all credibility. I felt bad for her that she was boiling in hot oil.

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« Reply #51 on: March 18, 2005, 07:26:32 AM »
Dear Bloopsy/Shadow: You are not a drama queen. People who say that you are just don't know or want to know how much pain that you have been through. These people do not know what your true feelings are. Eddie doesn't want to see how hurt you are, b/c he was the one to hurt you. So he tells you that you are a drama queen, he tells himself that you are a drama queen, so he won't have to think about what he put you through. Your sponsor doesn't know your story. She doesn't know what your true feelings are. You have a right to your feelings and no-one can tell you that they are wrong or exaggerated, because they are not feeling them. Take care and big hugs!
Rip it to shreds and let it go - Garbage

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« Reply #52 on: March 18, 2005, 08:20:29 AM »
I'm worried that your sponsor said you were being overdramatic-- we don't expect better from Eddie, of course, but your sponsor should be supportive.  Maybe she/he was trying just to be a friend and tell you not to worry, but if you can get yourself to do it, I think it would be great if you could tell your sponsor that it hurt your feelings when she (don't know the gender, I'll just say she) said that.  It also was inaccurate :)  Cigarettes can hurt you, and they can make  you feel pretty yucky if you smoke too many (I used to be a smoker myself).  So when you were worrying about the health effects of smoking, it certainly wasn't overly dramatic!  

It could just be that people are getting used to this new you who is having a voice.  And you are getting used to your voice, learning how to use it to express what you want.  I would agree that being around super-supportive people right now is a good idea.  And telling those who are supposed to be supportive (like your sponsor) what you need from them would be an excellent use of your new expressiveness :)  It will probably  make the two of you even closer.

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« Reply #53 on: March 18, 2005, 08:28:05 AM »
Sometimes you have to go a little "over the top" before you find your balance.  I am not saying you are, but just noticed that in myself as I struggled to find my voice.  Also people around you may  react differently including trying to "shut you down".  They are not used to the new you.  

Keep expressing and feeling those emotions. I believe it is the only way to get unstuck.  And for me it did, and sometimes still does, seem a little out of control at times.  It is okay to be dramatic and out of control.  "Depression is the damning of the river of emotions"----something I heard at the beginning of this journey.

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« Reply #54 on: March 18, 2005, 08:32:34 AM »
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I don't understand the difference between being a drama queen and telling the truth.



If you are expressing your actual feelings, it's the truth.  If you are making up feelings to get attention and to hurt other people, it isn't the truth.   Everything in your posts indicates that you are telling the truth-- nothing sounds very drama queen to me at all!  Drama queens (and I have known a few) are very enamored of themselves in their personal interactions, and at least on the surface have all kinds of confidence in their wonderfulness-- in everyone's strong desire to hear about their every hangnail and headache.  You are the opposite of that-- you apologize for the most obvious and common emotion, because people in your life haven't acknowledged you.  It makes me so mad that you have had your very real emotions dismissed as "drama."  It means whoever was doing the dismissing doesn't fully get the difference between wanting attention and having real feelings-- perhaps because of their own narcissism and inability to feel.


Also, may I please put in my 2 cents about Eddie?  He is yucky.   Stay away...

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« Reply #55 on: March 18, 2005, 09:50:55 AM »
Calling someone a "drama queen" is an insult, plain and simple.  There is nothing in that term that is encouraging at all.  It is never said to help someone.  The people who use that against you are not being honest with you.  If they were it would go something like this "I am uncomfortable when you express your pain to me. I feel that way because (pick any number of responses)....I love you and it bothers me that others haven't and I'm not able to deal with that......I am responsible for your pain and can't face it..........I want you to stay all confused about yourself so you won't see what I'm all about.............

Notice that an honest conversation has no sentences beginning with YOU ARE.  Those sentences are very judgemental and defensive.  I'm surprised your sponsor doesn't know this.  "I" messages are the most honest, but people rarely want to acknowledge how they really feel.  It seems you are willing to, and that scares the heck out of people.  Good for you, that means you are powerful!

Now, if you were to respond to such a comment, and throw that crap right back on them, (this is their stuff, not yours, you have enough to handle), simply say; "I am not comfortable with that term.  I will not accept that labeling from you.  When you have something supportive to say to me, I will listen, otherwise, have a nice day".  Or something like that.....Hard to do, perhaps, but I actually practice saying these things when I am alone.  Then when it comes up I feel better about sticking up for myself.

I also made a cd for myself with me saying powerful messages I need to 'reprogram" myself with...a cassette tape works too.  I figure I heard such negative things and that was the "tape" in my head, that I needed a new one.  I wish I knew you,  I would help you do that!!

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« Reply #56 on: March 18, 2005, 04:57:31 PM »
It is so nice to be coming to this board, I think that it is helping me to find my voice. Thank you forever,
Love, Bloopsy

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« Reply #57 on: March 18, 2005, 05:45:11 PM »
When I went to 12-step meetings for codependency I never had a sponsor, nor would I be a sponsor. Why? Because I didn't think the sponsors knew what they were doing. They had no training. They had no knowledge of how to mentor people. Most of them were as screwed up as I was. This may be the case here, Bloopsy. A sponsor who calls their sponsee a 'drama queen' doesn't know what they're doing. I'm sorry this happened.

bunny

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« Reply #58 on: March 19, 2005, 06:02:51 AM »
I just wanted to clarify that my sponsor said she  thought that I was being dramatic, she didn't think I was a drama queen.  I guess that is not as icky?
Love,
Bloopsy

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« Reply #59 on: March 19, 2005, 06:48:31 AM »
I think that I am just going to go on being honest and not tyr to water down how I feel so that other people will not call me a drama queen. Thanks guys for supporting me.There are just degrees of experiences and some people just haven't been there.Those of us who have don't accuse eachother of being drama queens like here and at SIA meetings. My sponsor said herself that she has had an easy life, besides the drinking. Maybe she is not the right sponsor fo rme what with her easy life and all of her you won't feel good until you do good things pollyannaishness which is nice to think so and maybe it is that way for her and I will try but I don't know.
Love,
BBloopsy