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genuine

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« on: March 22, 2005, 01:28:40 AM »
Hi All,

As some of you know, I have cut off contact with my NFamily and no longer converse with relatives as they "spy" for my parents or want to be the first to find out the goss and spread the news to everybody else. Well its gotten to the point where they are now harrassing me.

Just recently a cousin of mine who lives out of town dropped by unannounced with her mother (now my auntie never visited me when I first fell out with my parents because she didn't want to be in the shits with her brother - my Dad) so how thoughtful that she decided to pop around.

Anyway the door was slightly ajar but my fiance and I ignored them. We made a pact not to open our door to any family member while we are recovering from our toxic parents + siblings. They remind us of a cult.

Anyway my cousin and her mother were banging on the door, banging on our bedroom windows they were relentless even desperate to talk to me. I know my cousin, she always has to act the hero and I could just picture her reassuring my mother "don't worry I'll get through to her, she'll talk to ME" type of thing, so she came for a reason and wasn't about to leave.

She called "I'm not leaving until you open the door" and I was thinking WTF? isn't this harrassment. My fiance said she fumbled through a rip on the screen door to try and unlock the latch and let herself in. I would have exploded, this is my home. She did manage to drop a note along the lines of "came past to see you but didn't open the door to me..".

She and her mother finally left and I thought I heard the last of them until a couple of hours later I was sitting out on my front steps and my cousin was suddenly there running across the road determined to speak to me. I just got up, went inside and closed the door before she had a chance to corner me. She started bothering me again "at least I know your alright" (why wouldn't I be?) "can I just give you a hug?" "no one knows I'm here" yeah sure.

The next day I recieved a message on my answering machine from another auntie who was here from out of town and she told me she was disappointed that she didn't see me a "the christening" and asked me to ring her but I knew she was another pawn in my parent's game.

It all just clicked to me, my oldest Nbrother and his Nwife must have christened their second child. I wasn't invited so of course I didn't know. Oh what a farce that wouldn't have been. I wonder what excuse my parents gave everyone.

What angers me is before I stopped talking to my parents and was discussing my wedding day, I pointed out that I didn't want my abusive brother there and Dad exploded "Why wouldn't you want your brother there?" yet its obviously alright that they didn't invite me to a family christening.

I am so glad that I don't see any of them anymore and its funny how certain relatives who never concerned themselves with me when I was around suddenly want to talk to me. They are not the only ones, a male cousin tried ringing me a few months ago and even my other brother's inlaws tried contacting me. They are all mad!

Thanks for reading,
genuine
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« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2005, 06:01:07 AM »
Good for you to not let them in under so much pressure.  My assumption is in the nar/dysfunctional family, a lot of triangulating is going on.  I see it in mine.  SIL will tell me what other SIL did.  Mom will complain about a brother or Dad. They always avoid going directly to the source.  Maybe that is why the sudden interest form the distant relatives.  Again great going for keeping the moat up in the face of nar.

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« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2005, 10:00:33 AM »
Good Lord. These people are out of their minds. You might have to ponder a restraining order. I suppose they are excited by the "drama" of your cutting them off, and they all want to gossip about you. Each is eager to gather information and give reports on the latest sighting. No boundaries at all... :cry:

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« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2005, 10:03:54 AM »
Go genuine go!

You're right, it is a cult. You and your fiance are seeing what is really there, and it scares 'em. Think of it as a crab bucket. You don't need to put a lid on a crab bucket, because every time a crab is on the verge of escaping, one of the others pulls it back down.

You and your fiance are sitting on the rim of that bucket, out of reach. Good deal, resisting all that pressure. Don't feel too badly about missing the christening - my Nmom deliberately didn't tell me about many, many relatives' deaths and funerals, then painted me as a heartless b**** who wasn't there because I didn't care. These people can be evil incarnate.

On the plus side, this gives you a way to tell who's worth bothering with. The ones who like their malice 'straight, no chaser' - who swallow anything foul that's said about you without question or an attempt to find out from you what the other side of the story is - aren't worth the time of day. (No matter who they are in relation to you.)

Hang in there!

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« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2005, 10:56:34 AM »
Stormy,
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Think of it as a crab bucket. You don't need to put a lid on a crab bucket, because every time a crab is on the verge of escaping, one of the others pulls it back down

Priceless. :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

My sister gave my brother a Christmas present one time. It was a wooden sign  that said "An old crab lives here" with a picture of a crab on it. Now she's in the bucket with him. :(

mud

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« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2005, 01:45:47 PM »
genuine, what a great job setting and *defending* your boundaries!  I can't imagine trying to let myself into anyone's house by reaching in and unlatching the door, unless I was convinced someone lay dying inside.  That is outrageous!

I've recently started setting boundaries with my wife by not volunteering my experience.  Baby steps for me.  Hearing your story helps me to see where I'm headed.  I'm sorry that have the need to protect yourself from these people in your family, but you seem to be doing a marvelous job!
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« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2005, 02:28:13 PM »
Wow. Genuine, I loved your story. Thanks for sharing.  Hard to believe people like this exist....but we all know them first hand (glad to say I don't know those particulars, however).  I'm really impressed with your behavoir.  I shake and cry if I stand up for myself in the smallest way, I can't imagine having them breaking down your door.  Sounds like restraining orders are in order!

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« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2005, 02:58:57 PM »
That's the kind of stuff my aggressive N family would do - confront someone right at their own front door.  It's maddening how they think they have the right to do whatever they want.  No boundaries. If they're like my wing-nut N family (all co-dependent) then your departure has been an exciting time for them - drama queens and kings that they are.  Somehow they get something from it.  Now they can rescue you for reasons of their own - it has nothing to do with you - I hope you see that.
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« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2005, 04:18:26 PM »
Just to give you a sense of what it might have been like if you did talk to her--

I had a similar situation a few months ago where I wasn't talking to my parents.  I hadn't involved my siblings in this at all, but negative gossip travels fast.  After a WEEK of much-needed distance, my sister called me and said  "Dad wants to resolve this.  He wants the three of us to have dinner tomorrow night."  I said it had been about a week, which wasn't enough time for me, and I would rather not. To which my sister yelled at me so loudly I had to put the phone away from my ear:

"I will NOT be put in the middle!"


(I did explain that when you call someone to tell them what someone else says and then ask what you should report back to the other person, you are putting your own little self in the middle.  We didn't have that dinner.  I have had minimal contact with my sister since then-- she never calls me anymore, I guess because I am no longer doing her bidding).

The truth is these folks will always see themselves as messengers  of your family, and will secretly like it and secretly resent it too.  And it will always be insulting because the implication is that your side of things is somehow not legitimate.  Have any of them commiserated with you?  Asked you your opinion without mocking it?  Told you they have similar feelings to your feelings?  

I agree with Bunny-- until they show that you are as much a legitimate force as anyone else, then all you will be is someone to manipulate and gossip about and stir up drama.

It's a way for them to keep from really looking at themselves.

Bleah.

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« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2005, 10:39:55 PM »
Wow!  Vunil!

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It's a way for them to keep from really looking at themselves.


Hits home in a very big way.  Wish I had realized it earlier.  :oops:

Good for you Genuine!  Stick to your guns!  These people are trying to force you to communicate.  To push their way into your face!  To control who you will speak with and when... big time!

And you're not letting that happen any time soon.

Good for you!!  My heroine!! 8)

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« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2005, 11:24:03 PM »
Hi Everyone :)

I have been using a library computer until I get my home PC fixed so I can't reply individually like I would like to. Thank you from the bottom of my Heart for your wonderful support and wise words. I feel like I'm amongst old friends who are looking out for me.

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« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2005, 04:42:59 PM »
Hello all,

I am grateful to have found this forum, and I really appreciate that you all have been willing to share your personal experiences here. It makes me sad to hear about how folks have had to suffer at the hands of such wickedness. I take comfort in the fact that there is "strength in numbers," and reading all of your accounts reassures me that I am not nuts after all.

I can truly relate to those of you who find yourselves being harrassed by narcissistic relatives. After having cut-off all contact with my parents and most of my siblings for the past three years, they resurfaced last week, escalating tensions to a new level and doing yet more damage.

Without writing a book that would rival "War and Peace" in length, I'll sum-up my childhood by saying that I was a kid who "did all of the right things"(i.e., good grades, always followed the rules, never rebelled) but it was never enough. I was raised in a strict, controlling and volatile home. I always knew that something wasn't quite right in my family, but, being a kid and all, I couldn't quite articulate what it was or put my finger on it. Whenever I did try to address the abuse(sometimes physical, mostly emotional), my Nmother would always deflect it back on me, saying that I "set the tone for the relationships" that I had with other family members, and that she, my father and my siblings were only "reacting" to how I "treated them."

Over the years, my Nmother wielded guilt like a sword. If I didn't wear a smile on my face while meeting her unreasonable demands, I was subjected to a 45-minute diatribe on why I was an ungrateful disappointment-for-a-daughter(do you know how many times I had to hear, "sharper than the Serpent's tooth is an ungrateful child"?!). I could  go on with many examples of abuse that occurred over the years, but I don't want to go off on too much of a tangent.

Fast forward twenty years. My brother marries, and my Nmother and Nsisters go ballistic because my brother has the nerve to follow the generally accepted course of evolution wherein when one marries, the spouse generally takes priority over parents and siblings. My Nmother gossips non-stop about how much she hates my brother's wife, thereby fanning the flames for my Nsisters, who take every opportunity at family gatherings to mistreat my brother's wife.

I have to insert here that over the years, my Nmother usually saved her nastiest treatment for me(her attitude was that "everything was great" in our family and "look at how close our family is" in spite of me, the source of every problem in the family), but her behavior toward my sister-in-law opened my brother's eyes to what was really happening.

About three years ago, I had finally had enough, as had my brother. I gave my Nmother a piece of my mind regarding the unfair treatment being leveled at my sister-in-law, and at about the same time, my brother told my parents that if the mistreatment did not stop, he was cutting himself off from the rest of the family.

My brother and I kept our distance from our parents and other siblings for about a year, after which point our mother called us to tell us that our grandfather had died. It seems that he had been diagnosed with terminal cancer two months before he died, yet my family deliberately kept this information from my brother and me.

At the funeral, my father marched my brother and me into to the mausoleum at the cemetery, pointed to his and my mother's headstone, and proceeded to tell us that "this could have been your mother or me  that got buried today." He then told us that we were to "either find a way to make peace" with our mother, or he wanted us to "go away." My brother and I chose the latter.

Fast forward two years, which brings us to what happened last week. After many years of suffering from Alzheimer's disease(the last six months gut-wrenchingly so), my husband's mom passed away. My mother-in-law was a wonderful, generous woman who was loved by so many people, and she was the best mother-in-law a married woman could ever hope for. My brother and his wife attended the wake and arrived at the funeral home the following morning for the funeral.

When the funeral procession entered the church, we discovered that my parents and other siblings had come, unannounced(and most definitely uninvited). At this point I must insert that NONE of them ever knew(or had even MET) my husband's mom or the rest of his family, despite the numerous invitations my in-laws had extended to them over the years. They never cared to know them. I can only assume that it was because it "posed a threat" to my mother's warped idea of "preserving" the "original" family unit.

At any rate, after the church service, the funeral procession exited the church and everyone went to their cars to continue the procession to the cemetery. My brother and his wife, also part of the procession, got into their car and waited to leave the church with everyone else. This is when it happened.

My Nmother and Nsiblings ambushed their car(in front of everyone), hijacking the procession in progress, and they began screaming at my brother and sister-in-law, all at once---a verbal clusterf**k, if you will. My Nmother leaned into the car window, grabbed my brother's arm and shrieked, "You're MY SON, and I don't even know you any more! What did we ever do to you?! Do you know how embarrassed your father is at the fact that his family knows about the problems in OUR family?!" My Nsister screamed, "You know, that could have been Mom or Dad in there(being buried) today!"  It deteriorated from there, with my mother and sister accusing my brother's wife of "stealing" their son/brother away from his family, telling my sister-in-law that she had my brother "shackled." And then my other Nsister shrieked, "why don't you come and see your nephew some time, he's almost one now!"(she had had a baby, but the news was kept from us). My brother and his wife sped out of the church parking lot, leaving my family still standing there screaming.

The next night my brother arrived home from work to find boxes of all of the things he had given to one of my Nsisters over the years, accompanied by a note that excoriated him and his wife for their "disrespectful treatment" of  my mother and siblings at the church(I can't begin to tell you how totally skewed that is--they crash the funeral of some poor person they never knew, they create a huge scene, then my Nsister has the gall to chastise my brother for his treatment of her?). Attached to the letter were pictures of my other Nsister's baby, along with a parting shot telling my brother that maybe someday if he "cleans up his act," he can have a relationship with his "REAL" nephew(a cheap shot taken at my sister-in-law---my brother and his wife have a baby nephew on her side of the family).

I apologize for the length of my reply, but I hope that my story might help someone else suffering at the hands of an Nfamily. I never knew how completely out-of-control my family was until this latest episode. My brother and I are at the point where we're wondering if we will have to get a restraining order of some sort. Have any of you had situations escalate to such a degree? I would be very grateful for any insight or suggestions. In the meantime, thank you for letting me vent my spleen.

Oh, BTW, years ago when my Nmother applied for her first job, it was for a psychiatrist's office, and after passing her typing test, her future employer asked her to spell a word---can you guess what it was?(if you guessed "narcissist," you were correct!) Suffice to say, she spelled it correctly.

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« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2005, 05:20:10 PM »
Hi promqueen ( I love the name),
First let me say welcome, and how sorry I am for the family you are saddled with.
I really only have one certifiable N in my family. However he controls the rest of them to the point that my wife, daughter and I have had essentially no contact with them for about two years.
I have gotten no support from any of my siblings. You are fortunate that your brother has seen the light so to speak, so that you have an ally.
My brother has accused me of various felonies, engineered numerous damages to my family and basically destroyed my reputation to such an extent that no one wants to touch us with a barge pole. Either that or he has made it clear enough that taking our side, which in his mind includes merely talking to us, will result in the same results for them, so they simply don't want to get involved. I can hardly wait until he turns his guns on them. You can bet they will receive the same energetic defense from me in their hour of need that I have gotten from them.
My reaction for a couple of years was to duck my head and let him destroy my life hoping it would all just end someday. It didn't, so my new reaction is to seek compensation in court for the tremendous damage he has done  to me and my family. I am fortunate that he put a lot of it in writing and spread a lot of his slanders amongst people who realize that he has some serious problems, so I have a pretty good chance of hammering him.
My advice if you would like it is, do WHATEVER it takes to keep these lunatics out of your life forever. If that means a restraining order so be it. Whatever it takes up to and including criminal prosecution if there is criminal conduct, which it certainly approached at the funeral. These people are pathological. It sounds more like a cult than a family.

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My brother and his wife sped out of the church parking lot, leaving my family still standing there screaming.


It sounds like he should have sped out then backed up, sped out, backed up, sped out, backed up. Quicker than a restraining order.  :wink:  :twisted:
Sorry you are obviously in a tough spot, but that's what came to mind. I couldn't help myself. I bet others here thought the same thing. :roll:

No need to apologize for the length of your spleen venting. In fact it was some of the best spleen venting I've read. Keep on posting.

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« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2005, 05:33:21 PM »
Hi PromQueenCasualty,  (I wonder how we will eventually shorten that?)

Welcome to this site.
I am speechless and so totally disgusted by the behavior of your family.
 :evil:

I have no experiences of this degree and my family are all dead now anyway so I don't have words of wisdom, but I would say that you and your brother are handling yourselves the best way possible by staying away from these head cases.  

I'm sorry that you have had to go through this.  You are fortunate to have your husband, brother and SIL as your allies.  Continue to support one another and recreate your family unit without the rest of the animals.  Don't let them suck you back in through guilt or obligation.  You don't owe them anything.  You owe yourself the right to be happy and have peace in your life.

Good luck and God bless.

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« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2005, 05:45:54 PM »
Welcome PQC,

Good God, what a chaotic mess these people are. I'm so sorry you were victimized by them growing up. And now they are losing it completely and unravelling. If they ever converge on you in public again, call the police!

My condolences to you and your brother. And I'm very sorry for the little one-year-old. He has a grim future ahead.

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