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Anonymous

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« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2005, 12:11:33 PM »
Dear Vunil:

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...my parents never believed me.


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...my mother didn't believe me when I told her. It just made her mad.


Bad enough for all of horrible these things to have happened but for them NOT to believe you and get mad ontop of it all..........

Here I go...........WHAT ARSEHOLES!! :twisted:  :twisted:

How much that hurt you!!! :(  :(  :(

I'm sorry you had to go through all of that Vunil.  I know you will be a top of the line parent and you will love and care for your child with greatness and you will believe him/her, and believe... in.... her/him......

GFN

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« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2005, 12:48:14 PM »
As an addendum to my post, and in response to Stormchild's empathetic response to my sister's story--my sister did go to the ER because my nfather insisted that she was in pain.   My sister actually went to the ER a lot. I didn't know anything about the discrepancy in how my nmother treated my sister and I, until I started asking my sister about how it felt to have a mother so anxious about our health, and she told me that our mother didn't seem to notice her health at all, and at least at the ER the doctors were nice to her(though one of my memories is of a doctor saying to my parents, why don't you put her on tranquilizers to settle her rambunctiousness).  

It was this weird family outing that happened quite a few times while I was growing up--sitting in the ER while my sister got x-rays or stitches--and a kind of family story that there was something "wrong" with my sister because she had accidents, that it was her fault for being too bouncy.  I used to be jealous that my sister seemed so bold and anxiety free, but when she hit college her anxiety level skyrocketed, and I discovered she and I have a lot more in common than I had thought.  We used to be very close, in spite of our parental drama(my father was much closer to my sister than to me, and I was closer to my mother, in a totally unhealthy way), but as I got healthier in therapy, my sister shut down.  We see each other once or twice a year, and it makes me sad that we don't have more than that, but I think she finds me scary because I am dealing with stuff she can't deal with right now, and I don't want to push her.  Sometimes she reminds me so much of my cold judgemental nfather that it scares me.  

Flowergirl--thank you for saying I must be brave to work in a hospital.  I usually assume I am not brave at all, just a bad person who can't cope well, and if I was *normal* I could deal with working in a hospital.  Stormchild--I was interested to hear you work in a medical setting too.  Sometimes I hate myself for ending up surrounded by what triggers me off, and I have to remind myself that the workings of trauma and being drawn to that which traumatized me in order to "Fix it" may indeed be true in my case.

Greta

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« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2005, 09:13:20 PM »
Greta,

Its interesting that you tell this story about you and your sister. I too have a sister, and she definitely grew up in a different emotional environment than me - which seems to have accounted for our differences now. She, too, wont discuss any N issues with me - in fact she wont discuss my Nmom at all with me. I work hard to make sure that we still chit chat about the mundane stuff, just to keep in touch.

I *do* think you're very brave. I, personally, absolutely abhor all things medical. I am long past believing that anyone is "normal". Each of us has our challenges - our own "scary environment."  For me, it was working for an aggressive manager... and i wasn't able to overcome it. It is very impressive what you're doing - and you should be very proud!

--FlowerGirl

vunil

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« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2005, 02:57:14 AM »
Hi, everyone--

I am up (I have to eat in the middle of the night, I guess to make sure I end this pregnancy as big as a house) and I am haunted by all of the medical images here, and especially by stormchild's post (in the Terry Shaivo thread) about lying in a hospital bed all night trying not to hemorrage to death while the nurses did nothing.  I just can't shake the image.  It is combining with all of the crazy mothers in this thread who in no way fulfilled their obligations to care for their children and instead let them suffer (either by too much or too little medical attention). All of it is very upsetting.

Anyway, I have no conclusions to draw, except that all of you are very strong to have survived all of that, with your senses of humor and your perspectives intact.  

I'm sorry the world has so many cruel people in it.  I'm sending my wishes that in your lives now there are people who comfort and listen to you, and who don't just use you for their own n needs.  What I'm really wishing is that I could go back in time and kick these people's ***'s and then  lock them up somewhere for being horrible.  We should have N-asylums where they all hang out and abuse each other and leave us alone.  Certainly these folks should not have power over the health of others.

Anyway,  thanks for your bravery in sharing and know that someone (in the middle of the night!) is wishing she could do something to make it all not true.

sweet dreams,
vunil

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« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2005, 06:35:36 AM »
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Did anyone else have wierd medical incidents with their Ns?

--FlowerGirl, whose self-confidence has suffered a blow by yet another thing "my fictional future husband" will need to accomodate.



hi flowergirl. thanks again so much for the kind words to me. i know this is late but my computer seems to be cooperating so i can tell you what i wanted to about my 'medical incidents' with n's. it was very different from yours, but might be helpful or interesting. im sorry about your self confidence and i hope its recovered fully as it does not deserve such treatment in the very least.

first off i agree with the person who said your husband will need to be accomodating, mainly of his motherinlaw. :}  basically i do think that all this medical weirdness comes down to neurotic need for either attention or control, in some form.  its just another arena for playing drama games.

in my family this was how it went. my father is a cardiac surgeon. and my stepmother is an emergency room nurse.  so physically, they -never- believed us if we were sick. (i mentioned the incident where i was blamed for 'getting sick on purpose to make him look bad') if there werent limbs falling off or something, we were 'fine'. they still tell me im 'faking it' that i got hit by a car and have a head injury!

we got -no- sympathy whatsoever for anything. or rather, -i- didnt. my brother, did. we were played against each other, even in health issues.  needless to say, my brother participates in their lousy treatment of me to this day, why shouldnt he, he got the rewards, i got the sh*t end of the stick. in a way, this was good becuase healthwise im very tough.  you reminded me of at least one positive thing i reaped out of their pathology which was sturdy physical health.

but, i was relentlessly pathologised - mentally. physically, there was never anything legitimately wrong with me. but -mentally-, they were willing to put every diagnosis in the book onto me. so.. ???

now with my daughter, she is being relentlessly pathologised, physically =and= mentally. so, i think that they just utilise these health issues, depending on who you are, your relationship to them, your individual personality, what they think they can get out of you, and what part they want you to play in their script. its just something they can use against you in various forms.

i think the bottom line with these people, is they are somewhere between the most unpleasantly spoiled, overindulged toddler from hell you can imagine and a cat. (now i love both cats and toddlers dont get me wrong. but i think they borrow certain personality aspects.)

what happens if you are at a party with a horribly spoiled toddler and someone else gets a present. instant screaming freak out.

what happens if someone else gets a lollipop at the doctors. instant screaming freakout.

what happens if someone else is even getting something unpleasant like a shot. instant screaming freakout. it isnt them. it always has to be about -them-, even if its unpleasant.

how does this toddler 'take care' of a pet. if you do not watch them, they will 'take care' of that pet so well to cause permenent damage.  crushing an animal under a box is just the same to them as 'taking care'.

what does this horribly spoiled toddler do if you are late, in a hurry, getting ready to do something important, making some effort to enjoy yourself for once, or really needing their cooperation. they can control you, by making it completely impossible for you to do that thing. they will force you to pay attention to them, they will escalate as much as they need to, in order to turn the attention onto them.

what does a cat do if you are reading something 'important'. they will lay right across it. this is cute when its a real cat, but with a self-involved adult, it isnt so cute. but its the same thing - you are daring to look at something other than them.  

thats the mental space they are operating from, and its a lot less adorable than a cat or a toddler. health issues are such a fertile ground for getting sympathy and attention, its really no wonder, that they are so frequently used against us by these overgrown toddlers-from-hell known as 'n's.

now i work at a preschool and in 8 years, i have only seen -one- child that fits the description above. most kids go through that phase for a few months and are socialised out of it. but some, are not, and they go on to grow up into the horrible kind of adults that have done us so much damage with their toddler-think.

alternatively medically with himself - my father is a massive baby. he will whine and cry about the littlest thing that hapens to him, but at the same time act the martyr as though he is superhuman. one time he broke his wrist, and attempted to perform open heart surgery left-handed.  

the other doctors had to drag him from the operating room, but he would have gone ahead with it. what a great opportunity to make himself look like mr superhero, while putting that patient at considerable risk.  im sure he never once thought, the responsible thing to do, was remove himself and call in another doctor.. he was so positive he was better than anyone that even left handed, nobody else could do it as well as he. TODDLER THINK.  

those are my medical stories.....
hope my computer will send this one --- take care of yourself.. :}}/
d's mom

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« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2005, 07:20:11 AM »
Thanks, Vunil. I really appreciate your kind response.

D's mom: Ye Gods and Little Fishes, what is WRONG with these people?  :shock: