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crookedtree

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losing the lost
« on: June 17, 2005, 02:02:31 AM »
I am feeling so sad.  I have distanced myself from my family.  I don't see them much anymore.  On most days I am happier.  It makes my life easier - less drama.  I was always feeling guilty and angry.  I feel less of that now.  I cry now and it is a gentle grief not these overwhelming cries and crises arising from fights and fits.  But my grief hurts.  I don't think the world will end but it is a slow realization of two things: that it won't be the same and it never was what I thought it was.
I miss my dad.  He was not narcissistic.  He could have been a great dad but for my mom.  He was a good dad when he got to be.  I miss my brother.  We were super close when we were able to be.  Every time I start feeling sad about it I get also angry at my mother again.  I am tired of this grief.  Why can't I just get over it and move on?
I wrote a haiku for my brother that I won't give to him, so I'll post it.  We used to pretend we were pirates when we played on the combine.

washed-out old pirates
we sank the sibling worship
our youth, lost treasure

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« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2005, 04:28:13 AM »
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I wrote a haiku for my brother that I won't give to him, so I'll post it.  We used to pretend we were pirates when we played on the combine.

washed-out old pirates
we sank the sibling worship
our youth, lost treasure

Crookedtree,

I absolutely understand, relate, and feel what you said. Your haiku is beautiful and powerfully describes your loss and desire.  Moving forward with your life, how about this haiku just for you:

washed, out old pirates
we sank, the sibling worship
our youth lost, treasure

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« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2005, 10:58:55 AM »
Dear Crookedtree:

I'm sorry that you must suffer through all of this loss.  It's good that you are grieving though, I think.  Much better than shoving the pain down some place and denying it.  With very few changes, your post could have been mine.

There is no time limit on grief, I think.  It can last a long time and even seem gone, only to reappear after some trigger.  And I know what you mean when you say you are tired of your grief.

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Why can't I just get over it and move on?


You will, Crookedtree.  It will pass.

Do you do little things for yourself inbetween?  Things that help restore your energy?  I hope so.  I hope you are taking care of you through this experience.  It is tiring and energy draining and so you are smart to rest and rejuvinate yourself, as much as possible, inbetween.

Good for you for posting here for support/to express!!

I liked your little Japanese poem.

Take care of you Crookedtree.  You are doing the right thing by protecting yourself from further harm, by staying away.....keeping distance.   You're doing the right thing, even if you do have to grieve while doing it.   You are brave!

GFN

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« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2005, 11:53:20 AM »
Hi Crooked Tree -

I've been going through a similar phase of 'unique' grief since establishing distance from my N-mother and 2 siblings who are enmeshed with her.

It has been a slow struggle:

Initially, there was a fair amount of energy, even excitement while I was confronting them about assorted issues, but simultaneously as I learned about NPD and its effects within a family, they also circled the wagons and have conducted a sort of silent treatment (with some creepy/cryptic exceptions).  Their actions seemed to confirm my pop-diagnosis of NPD, and later combined with relief that I finally figured out what was going on...and that continued contact with them was harmful, I was initially glad -not- to have to deal with them much, if ever again.

That was several months ago, and the current phase is more of a dull ache, an unresolved, perhaps unresolveable, mourning period.  At a minimum, the old relationships with my mother and 2 siblings are 'dead', and there feels the same magnitude of loss as if they all three died physically.  (BTW - my dad had died several months prior to my realizing/confronting the rest of the family, so I've had some recent experience with that type of mourning).

The 'unique' part is that these people are not really dead...they still live, and while I've been cut off from them, there are still occasional artifacts of the relationship -- and stray attempts at manipulations -- that come floating my way every so often.  (one factor: I have 2 young children who have memories of their cousins - by brothers' kids - but I've not fully explained the issues/circumstances that I realize may prevent them from seeing their cousins for years and years...they innocently ask about their cousins, etc...still a couple years away from being able to lay out some of what has happened).

I regard this state as a sort of zombie/undead presence -- the heart/soul/spirit of the relationships are dead, but there is a semi-hostile, semi-ghastly remnant that lingers, stumbling awkwardly around.

In mourning the loss of my dad, it was complex, sad, but fairly straightforward, and now 16 months since he died, largely over.  In contrast, I'm struggling to mourn the loss of 3 more family members, but without the clean ending (and starting point for mourning) that a 'real' death entails. And without much of a social context for support from friends...there are rich traditions for supporting people whose loved one has died...but these N-situations are quite complex, even bizarre, to describe, to come close to matching the normal expressions of sympathy that other deaths would produce.  

So...in some ways it feels like I've lost a total of 4 family members within the past year or so, which would be catastrophic enough, but 3 of them are zombies still roaming the emotional country-side, like some dysfunctional horror movie.  And while through therapy/discussion boards, I can develop assorted tools/mechanisms to emotionally protect myself from them (to stretch the horror movie metaphor, the equivalent of holy water/crucifix), I still fully expect every now and then for them to throw themselves against the door, trying to get in, so to speak...maybe easily dispatched, but still a reminder that they are out there...

So...here's the challenge of this phase, which may or may not apply to you too:  I'm trying to do two things at once:  1) develop the necessary boundaries/heal from the abuse at N's hands, and 2) mourn the loss of these undead relationships, where there is no real traditional/guide for grieving and with a physical form that may well out-live me.

I guess I'm just wading through the process...it is taking me longer that I anticipated, it has produced a low-grade quasi-depression:  a real sober/somberness added to my personality, but fundamentally different from the hard-core depression that I suffered while repressing/suppressing feelings prior to seeing the N-family for what it was.

I think only time will heal these wounds, but much more time than a normal death involves.  Your poem is a great way to tap and release the emotion that is within you, and as long as you keep that process up (versus keeping that sadness pent up) I think you are on the right path.

I wish you luck!

BG

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« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2005, 12:40:24 PM »
crookedtree, hang in there.  You are open to the grief and the growth and realizations it brings.  You are doing all the right stuff to heal, it just doesn't feel good while you are doing it. :(

Grief is really the process of accepting what we most DON'T want to accept.  I think it is unique to every person.  I'll share some things that have helped me.  Feel free to disregard these if they don't apply.  First, over a period of time I became more open with my grief (and all my "unpleasant" feelings).  I not only allowed myself to feel the grief (which I didn't before), I actually welcomed it in.  I made room for it.  I pictured myself rearranging my internal parts to make more space for it.  As much space as it could take up.  If more came and I started feeling cramped I just made even more room so the pressure felt less.  I thanked it for coming in.  I told it that it could stay as long as it wanted or needed to.  I sat with it and really FELT it as long as it lasted.  I didn't try to get through it or end it or do ANYTHING about the grief itself.  I just made welcoming room for it.  I know, that's about the last thing you want to do right now is have more of it.  Let me ask you a question:  Has your resistance to the grief caused it to lessen or go away, or does it keep coming back?  Maybe it is time to try something different.  My experience with this is that by not resisting any longer my grief found a home and disspiated surprisingly fast considering that I had been trying to "deal" with it for years and years.

In my case, the relationship I was grieving was to my BPD wife.  It really helped my to write down every single hope, dream, aspiration, expectation or desire that I had for the marriage in my mind.  I wrote down everything I could think of that hadn't and wouldn't happen in this marriage.  Everything I ever wanted.  Everything I needed.  Everything I thought I would be getting.  Then I read through each one, loved it and let it go.  I accepted that I didn't get that and won't get that.  When I finished, I lit the paper on fire and burned it to ashes to symbolize letting it all go.

I realize that this might seem a little "touchy-feely," but really what I was doing was accepting a part of MYSELF that I had been trying to suppress for many years.  I got a double relief when I was done, because I now had connection and access to my sadness and loss which give me more tools, more information and tell me who I am.  I also don't need to waste so much energy trying to suppress it anymore.  Talking and reading here also help a lot! :)
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« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2005, 01:23:03 PM »
Hey BG,

Except for a few small details I could have written that post myself, although I'm pretty sure it would have been less intelligable. :oops:

I just wanted you to know you are surely not alone and that there are others who are walking the very same miles in the very same shoes right along with you.
Pretty crumby road to walk, huh? :(
My feet hurt.
Maybe it not so bad taking a rest here with some other folks on the same road.
Take care.

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« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2005, 08:15:31 PM »
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I feel less of that now. I cry now and it is a gentle grief not these overwhelming cries and crises arising from fights and fits. But my grief hurts. I don't think the world will end but it is a slow realization of two things: that it won't be the same and it never was what I thought it was.


I understand and hear what you are saying.  You are mourning not what really was, but what you needed and wanted.  You are not adjusting to a change in the status, you are erasing all the false memories and ruined expectations.  That covers more ground than loss of a past state, because you are losing all the memories and don't even have the good ones to treasure.  So it takes longer.
 
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I miss my dad. He was not narcissistic. He could have been a great dad but for my mom. He was a good dad when he got to be.

Not to take anything away from a good memory.  But I wonder why adults don't protect children.  On the other hand, am I protecting my children?

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I miss my brother. We were super close when we were able to be. Every time I start feeling sad about it I get also angry at my mother again. I am tired of this grief. Why can't I just get over it and move on?

If your mother is still the reason you are separated from your brother, I can see why your anger is fresh.  Is there some reason you can't be with your brother?

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« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2005, 08:26:27 PM »
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I am tired of this grief. Why can't I just get over it and move on?


Grief is very tiring.  Also holding back your feelings is very tiring.  So if you are doing both at the same time, you must be exhausted.

Maybe just do what um, I think longtire said and let the grief happen.  You do not know the extent of your grief.  So you cannot really make a timetable for it.  All you can do is remember that one day it will feel better.  It already does.  As someone told me on this board, not when you want it to feel better.  But when it is time.

I have some of the same issues.  I feel estranged from my sister due to my mom.   But if my sister really wanted to be close to me, she could.  So I can't blame my mom totally.  We lived in the same reality, and if she wants to blame me that my mom made her a bigger scapegoat,  that is really not reasonable for an adult who has been in therapy.

Ok gotta go.
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