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SleepyGirl

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« on: June 28, 2005, 11:54:43 PM »
I'm 37 years old and the daughter of a narcissistic father.  While in counseling for many years in my early twenties for bulimia, a few of the therapists mentioned that they thought my father was narcissistic.  

He just came to visit last week with his wife.  We live in Seattle, he lives in Detroit.  It was like a bad dream.  If I had a dollar for every time he mentioned that he spent 50K on my college education and how I should be groveling at his feet, I'd be a damn millionaire.  He was horribly rude to my husband, our friends, and of course me.  This visit was the worst yet.

For the past 5 years I've told my husband what an absolute jerk my father is.  If it were not for my husband, I would have a much chillier relationship with my father.  Over 5 years ago I cut off all ties with dear old dad, but my husband talked me into giving him another chance.  My husband has tried to be the "fence-mender" and has given my dad the benefit of the doubt………until now.  On this visit my husband has finally "seen the light".  

I don't get that disappointed my dad's behavior anymore.  I know not to get my hopes up that much (it makes me sad, but it's true).  That's why I live so far away from him.  He drives me crazy.  

I'm to the point now that instead of being neutral, I want to be extra nasty to him.  Not overtly, more covertly.  I don't want to get very emotional about the situation, I just want to sit back and be relaxed and a bit "joyful" about causing him discomfort.

So, my question is this:  How can I irritate him a lot and make him crazy like he's done to our family all along?  Keep in mind that I don't want to put a lot of emotion into this.  I just want to let him know that he cannot bother me anymore……….that I'm ambivalent to him and his behavior.  But I do have a bit of a mean streak…..I do want to "get under his skin" and stay there like a bad poison ivy infection that will never go away.

You are the expert.  Any suggestions on buttons I can push to make him uncomfortable?

Thanks!

Sad & Angry Daughter

PS:  This is a true situation.  I'm not trying to "pull your leg".  My next step is to read a lot of books and get some advice from a psychologist on how to irritate that miserable-unhappy little man.

PPS:  My mom passed away over 10 years ago and he's married a girl 15 years younger than him who is like his little "mini-me".  She's into fancy clothes, cars, dinners, etc.  She likes people to adore her and think she's "all that" too.  If any one dare says a bad thing about the other……watch out!  They'll come out swinging and fighting like a nest of angry African killer bees. No mercy.  They are vicious and terribly vindictive.

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« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2005, 12:22:05 AM »
I just read my post, and I realize that I sound awful and mean.  Let me give you some more background so you may understand why I’m so hurt by my dad and have been for many years.  

My father was horrible to everyone, and when he drinks it gets worse. Even worse, he could care less about the carnage he has caused.  He remains proud and content....almost gloating – even when he is sober.  My friends and neighbors thought that I was exaggerating when I explained that my dad wasn’t a very nice person, but after he left to go back to Detroit, many of my friends/neighbors said that they totally understood what I was saying about him.  They were shocked at his behavior.

This latest visit brought back all the horrible memories and "baggage".  He left less than 5 days ago, and I'm in another state of depression (I've been on and off Prozac for 10 years).  I get home from work and just want to sleep until the next morning.

I want to know how I can stop him from hurting me.  I want to feel like I'm a good person because I'm "me", not because I finished college or because I have a job he can be proud of.  Speaking of which, currently I am an embarrassment to my father because I am working as a receptionist at a veterinary hospital.  He said he didn't spend 50K on me so I could be a receptionist.  

I'm really sad, and I could use some advice from others in a similar situation that have overcome their sadness.

I’m so angry that I want to hurt him, but knowing him that’s nearly impossible.  The best way for me to get back at him is to become a total embarrassment to him so it would be a reflection of him (in his mind).  I don’t want to do that though.  Is it better to just ignore an N?  Is that the best way to hurt them?

Thanks in advance!

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« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2005, 12:30:15 AM »
Oh sleepygirl,
you are still reeling from the onslaught of your tormentor's visit.  Thank goodness your husband is finally going to let you get rid of your father.

Take some time and just nurture yourself.  Relax and get back your equilibrium.  Make all the nasty plans you want to destroy your despicable dad but don't do anything.

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I want to know how I can stop him from hurting me.

I think this is your best goal and the best way is not to have any contact.

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I want to feel like I'm a good person because I'm "me", not because I finished college or because I have a job he can be proud of. Speaking of which, currently I am an embarrassment to my father because I am working as a receptionist at a veterinary hospital. He said he didn't spend 50K on me so I could be a receptionist.

If your jerk of a father can't understand that you are wonderful just the way you are, he is a complete loser.  Tell me, who should be embarrassed about your father/daughter relationship, he or you?  Alrighty then.

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I’m so angry that I want to hurt him, but knowing him that’s nearly impossible. The best way for me to get back at him is to become a total embarrassment to him so it would be a reflection of him (in his mind). I don’t want to do that though. Is it better to just ignore an N? Is that the best way to hurt them?

Bingo!  You have it all sussed.  Now go eat some ice cream and take a hot bath.  
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« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2005, 08:37:53 PM »
I have been thinking about this concept of revenge for a while.  I don't have a complete answer, but I guess I could ruminate a bit...

I think revenge brings us down to a lower level....lower energy if you will, than does rising above/letting go of  our pain and resentment.  It's definately harder to let it go, as our patterns of behavoir and responses with N's are pretty ingrained sometimes.  And I, anyway, tend to slip into habits of allowing the N's behavior to instigate my reactions...thus giving up my power.
I work really hard at being consious of what I am thinking and how I am reacting when around my N/abuser.  Unfortunately, or fortunatey in a way, I have great practice with this, as the question of whether I am trying to get revenge or trying to do what's best for my children presents itself all the time with my ex N.

My experience with N's is that revenge is something they LIVE for .  And to get into that energy with one of them is to partake in something rather futile....as it really doesn't matter to the N whether you are right/wrong or whether  you got revenge or not! My ex simply doesn't acknowledge any opinion other than his own, ever!
You could be in a room of 50 people, 49 of them hearing: "Mr. N is wrong and we need to banish him for his bad behavoir!" and he would hear, "Mr. N is soo very important, so very important that we are talking about him....so very important...bla bla bla...let's give him an award!"

It's just wasted energy, I think.  I haven't really seen where lots of productive things come while I am spending time thinking and focusing on that A**h***, while other, higher things could bring me so much joy.
Sure, I would love to watch him get caught in his lies, sure I would love him to be exposed.....but it's unlikely that I will be the one to do it.....and if he thinks I am trying...he simply thrives and I give my power to him again and again.

So let it go.....and let it go again.....and again, until it doesn't stick to strongly and ANY thoughts of this person are only for the most mundane of necessary events. It will not help anyone to plan revenge.  Let things happen on their own, if it is meant to be, and in the meantime, let it go....

I said to one of my students one day, after another had stolen his place in line and been rather rude...."hey, he can't hurt you if you don't care,you know".   The boy got a little grin and said, "Thanks!" and the one who had been rude looked rather miffed as he was ignored by a happier boy.
So if it works for a 5th grader, maybe we can try it, too. (ok, I know that's pretty simplified...but the concept is the same).

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« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2005, 01:12:48 AM »
SleepyGirl,
Welcome.  I feel your pain.  I have had 2 n husbands and an n father (now dead).  I have imagined all kinds of revenge, especially against my recent xh and his girlfriend.  But if I go to the trouble of doing that, I am only giving him exactly what he wants--attention.  My best revenge is getting on with my life, being excessively happy, and not paying him the least bit of attention.  

I would strongly recommend that you disconnect from your father and move on with your life.  Concentrate on what will bring you joy rather than how you can hurt him.  The more energy you give to your relationship with him, the more he knows how much he can still control you.  

I hope you are still in therapy.  These are issues you need to continue to heal and move away from.  Try to work on turning that anger into energy to help you create a better life for yourself and your husband.  Do you have children?  If so, concentrate on them and being the parent that you never had.  I wish you well.

Blessings,

Brigid

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« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2005, 01:16:09 AM »
My next step is to read a lot of books and get some advice from a psychologist on how to irritate that miserable-unhappy little man.

Read the books, get support from a good therapist...but don't worry about the revenge.

Your father is how he is 'cos he's unhappy and can't be at peace with or love himself- or probably anyone else.

He is is own source of misery.

You concentrate on your wonderful husband and your wonderful self. You can make a happy life for yourself, with your father out at arm's length and stop letting him hurt you this way.

Accept that he's the way he is, and that's why he makes everyone uncomfortable. And kudos to your husband for his tolerance and patience, but maybe he now sees what he didn't before and he can support you in taking care of you and recovering from growing up with a narcissist.

Take care.

I know you deserved a better father and I'm sorry you didn't get one. Me neither. But let go of him. If he has anything about him he'll make at least some effort to change. But if he doesn't- there are plenty of other people in the world who will love you and enrich your life. Spend your energy in finding them.

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« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2005, 05:24:23 AM »
Stop caring what he thinks.  Just live your life and be happy.  God, how easy it is to know the theory; how difficult to put into practice.

I can't think of a better way to wind up an N, than to treat them as if they are not powerful, nor clever, nor even important.  Which incidentally is also a healthy way to live for yourself.

If you are with him, let him say his stuff, but don't listen.  Sing a song to yourself in your head, and then if he repeats it, or gets cross, say something like, 'Sorry I wasn't listening, I was planning the shopping for tomorrow.'  Or, just agree.  After all, who cares what he thinks?

I realised some years ago that my parents' extreme views on just about everything hurt nobody but themselves.  And so I stopped caring (and tried to stop listening)  If my dad (or worse, my mum) were prime minister I might be worried, but actually they have no power, and nobody will ever learn to follow their views if I don't.  And I don't.  They have a worm of cynicism and bitterness eating at their souls, and there is no way I want that.

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« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2005, 11:39:33 AM »
Hi Sleepygirl,

If you're seeking restitution for something that has been stolen from you that is one thing; if you're seeking to harm him in vengence that is quite another. Unfortunately, what has been stolen from you can't be restored by any means of man, so you are only left with revenge.
Seeking to make him as miserable as he made you will harm you more than him. It means he is still controlling you and your life and how you view the world. As long as you seek to harm him he's the boss of your mind. And you will get very little satisfaction from the attempt. In fact the attention you pay to him while seeking to harm him will satisfy him just as much as giving him a pat on the back and a gold watch.
  If it's possible and because he is so toxic for you, I would recommend cutting off all contact with him permanently. It won't automatically heal the wounds from the past but it will stop him from opening up new ones.
Ignoring him is the best way to hurt him, but more important its the best way to start healing yourself.
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How can I irritate him a lot and make him crazy

He sounds like he is already a terribly unhappy and fairly crazy person already. Let him stew in his own juice, while you and your hubby make a life with as few irritants in it as possible.

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« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2005, 12:13:29 PM »
Hi SleepyGirl,

Your father is a piece of work, isn't he. Let me clue you in to something. He is miserably unhappy and has no idea how to manage his feelings of massive self-loathing. So he dumps it on you (and others) as though you are a trashcan. You're supposed to take in and contain his trash and get rid of it for him. That's how he operates. This is what very infantile, deeply sick people do because they have NO IDEA how to manage a variety of feelings inside of them. They do these garbage dumps all over the place. So here is my feedback.

--- Thank GOD your husband will finally set you free of this poor excuse for a parent!

--- Realize that your job is a reflection of HIS SELF-HATE and has zero to do with you.

--- Realize that he paid 50K and he can pound sand now, it was his choice. Tough luck if he thinks he made a bad investment. My parents also spend 50K on me (maybe) and I ended up in a crap job. TOO BAD. I'm not repaying them either.

--- The only revenge you can have on this miserable man is to live happily. He will suffer the torments of the damned, he already is!

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« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2005, 02:44:14 PM »
how to handle difficult n's
knock out drops
and get them hypnotized and reprogrammed:)

there is a site for narcissists
mentioned somewhere in this forum
where u might get an idea
what might work

oh oh a great book
COPING WITH DIFFICULT PEOPLE
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lots of great practicle suggests
of to help difficult people change..
or hold them off
or get away from them..

of course
it might be the case
that narcissists being of the world
so much in their desires...
biblically speakin kinda
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blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness sake...

and in holding to the right attitude...
or all of the beatitudes :)
one might get crucified by the world...

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« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2005, 03:02:18 PM »
Hostile Aggressives: These people try to bully and overwhelm by bombarding others like a tank, or making cutting remarks like a verbal sniper.

Complainers: Complainers gripe incessantly but never try to do anything about their complaints, either because they feel powerless, or because they refuse to bear any responsibility.

Negativists: When a project is proposed the negativists are bound to object with "It won't work" or "It's impossible." They are always ready to pop other's balloons.

Coping Strategies For Hostile-Aggressives

The bully who rolls over people like a tank has a strong need to prove that their view of the world is always right. These human tanks value aggressiveness and confidence, and tend to devalue persons they believe lack these qualities. Unfortunately, demeaning others is one way to create a sense of self-importance and superiority.

Coping with bullies requires that you stand up for yourself. Give the hostile person time to run down by letting them rage for a short while. Remain in place; look directly at them and wait to jump in when the hostile person's aggression loses some momentum. Don't worry about being polite. If you are interrupted, then say, "You interrupted me!" If the tank doesn't stop, say it again.

It often helps to take verbal control by saying the person's name clearly and loudly. Body language is important too. Rise deliberately from your seat. Conversely, try to get them to sit down; most people behave less aggressively when seated. Speak from your own point of view, "In my opinion, it's a good idea…", "I disagree with you…". While standing your ground, it is important not to escalate the conflict. Hostile people are unlikely to back down, so forcing your views on them will not work.

If instead of a tank, it is a sniper you have on your hands, then the coping tactics vary. Snipers take shots at you, or others around you, verbally. They indulge in innuendoes, not-too-subtle digs and non-playful teasing. Most people feel completely pinned down by a sniper.

Snipers have a "superiority" complex that makes it difficult for them to see things from others perspectives. They crave having control of a situation. In dealing with a sniper, surface the attack by saying something such as, "That sounded like a dig, did you mean it that way?" If the sniper strikes in front of others, during a meeting for example, strop and address the attack. Phrase your response as a question which gives the sniper an alternative to fighting. If you are a third party who witnesses a sniper attack, be wary of intervening. Remember that a common fate of peacemakers is often to be scorned by both parties.

Coping With Complainers

Complainers find fault with everything and have their accusatory style down so perfectly that they turn the tables on people, putting them immediate4ly on the defensive. There are also complainers who specialize in complaining to one person about another person who is not present to defend themselves. Complaining is the behavior of people who feel powerless, want change but won't risk anything themselves. They want to remain blameless in all situations

The way to cope with a complainer is to insist that a problem solving perspective be taken toward their complaints. Listen attentively so the complainer can let off steam and then paraphrase their main points. Don't allow works line never and always to go unnoticed; require specific examples and time frames. Acknowledge what you are hearing but be careful not to agree. Agreement may confirm that you are responsible. Ask the complainer for specific problem solving suggestions; if appropriate, get complaints and suggestions in writing. If the complainer is accusing someone other than yourself, then ask the complainer if they have addressed the third.party. "Can we have a meeting with Roger and try to work things out?" The complainer needs to see how the very act of complaining will lead to direct involvement they want to avoid.

Coping With Negativists

Negativists find fault with everything and are eternal doomsayers. They have a big impact on work groups. Negativists have a deep-seated conviction that any task not in their own hands will fail. We all are vulnerable to discouragement and the chronically negative person is looking for confirmation that things are indeed hopeless. State your own realistic optimism. There are always alternatives and options. Don't try to persuade the negativist to see a brighter side to things. Question the worst thing that could happen in a given situation. Usually the worst case scenario isn't the end of the world.

The goal when coping with difficult people is to negate their controlling behaviors so that you can get on with your own business. Only when their destructive behaviors fail to work will difficult people have an incentive to change. We have dealt here with only a few of the behavior types one may encounter in people. For further information we recommend that our CopeLine readers refer to Coping With Difficult People by Robert Bramson, Ph.D. which we referenced for this article.

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« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2005, 01:00:03 AM »
Welcome Sleepygirl :)

I think you have every right and very good reasons to be angry at your father, and give him a taste of his own medicine.  Why shouldn't you be full of anger and rage for the man who has caused you so much pain?  Who has denied you of the very thing you needed growing up...for love and acceptance to be free as it is meant to be.  He robbed you of that.  How dare he!  He has no right to do that to you. :x   He has wounded your soul.  So yeah, I could understand why you want to seek revenge on your father.  Superficially, you feel deep sadness.  But on a deeper level, I bet you are so enraged at your father you want to stick a need up his ass, so he can feel some of the emotional pain he has inflicted on you.  Honestly, I admire you for being in touch with your anger and bringing it out into the open.  I see that as being courageous and true to yourself.  For me, when it comes to my repressed emotions, I cower in fear.  I fear that what is inside of me is dark, ugly, and overpowering. :?

Personally, I think your pain and angry feeling toward your dad will not subside if you simply ignore him.  That's because there is no real closure or resolution by not confronting the object of your pain, IMO.  If I understand correctly, from reading between the lines, you don't want your father to get away with his behavior towards you and others you care about.  I totally side with you on that.  I don't think he should get away with his crime, sort of speak.

Perhaps, he doesn't know or realize the extent of the emotional pain he has caused you over the years?  Maybe he doesn't care.  But that's beside the point, IMO.  Would it make any real difference if you call him up one day and just speak your mind to him?  Tell him how much pain he has caused you without being accusatory.  Even if he doesn't want to hear it, make him hear you out, b/c it's part of your psychological healing and he owes it to you.  You have every right to make him listen to you.  And he has to respect that.  Since you didn't give him the right to treat you poorly.  Perhaps, you can muster up all your anger toward your father and let him have it  real good.

Maybe, this is one way to overcome your sadness and have some kind of closure or resolution to the relationship with your father.

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I’m so angry that I want to hurt him,

I hear ya!  Revenge sure can be sweet. :twisted:  But, only if it provides healing to avenger.  

Just my 2cents.  I don't know if anything I said was of any use.  Maybe.  Dunno  :roll: But, I do hope things will work out for you.

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