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Ashamed of my family

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My miserly brother
« on: August 22, 2005, 07:48:17 AM »
My brother & I had a damaging upbringing with our highly narcissistic and occasionally psychotic mother.  She could be very violent (to herself as well us – with show-stopping behaviour such as slashing her own throat when I was 1 and brother was 4), and he got the worst of it, being abandoned in foster homes and hospital for his first 2 years until someone wanted to adopt him and my mum decided he must be worth something so she’d have him after all. 

As you might expect, my brother is far from normal and as difficult in his own way as my Nmother.  He is a pathological liar (supporting his desire to give nothing to anyone/maintain his place as uber-victim), paranoid and mean beyond all limits of decency.

Illustration: when I was 8, my mother decided to send me away on the school skiing trip with my brother’s school (he was 11). It was my first trip away from home, I was at least 3 years younger than any of the others (none of whom I’d ever met before), and I was not only the sole kid-sister attending, I was the only girl.  We shared a big, cold dormitory, I was bullied by one of the boys and ignored by my brother.  I froze every night under one blanket in an unheated dormitory on a mountain side in Switzerland.  At the end of two weeks, as we packed up and made our beds, my brother put an extra blanket from his bed onto mine  and I realised with astonishment that whilst I’d been freezing for two weeks under a single blanket, my brother had taken one of mine and had been cosy under three.

My brother is now 45 and works in a high paid position, earning at least five times what I earn in a year.  He recently came have lunch and to spend the day at my house with my mother (who he lives with rent-free).  I asked him to pop down the road for a pint of milk and his hand immediately shot out towards me for money.

Nmother's narcissism and guilt means that now she enables all his terrible behaviour by supporting his twisted world view (i.e. when he lived alone, he believed that the old folks next door were gassing him – one of them had emphysema and needed oxygen – and my mother supported him in this sick belief).

He constantly says he is broke and if you challenge him he becomes instantly enraged.  He lies all the time to conceal his large holdings of shares, and how much he earns so he won’t have to spend anything.  This weekend we went to visit my father, who poured us each a glass of wine.  Quick as a flash, he reached out for the bottle and topped his up to the brim to make sure he had the most.

His meanness is beyond all description and I find it disgusting.  Incredibly for such an otherwise poorly functioning individual (virgin at age 45 – hates women) he earns more than all of his small social circle put together, but has never invited anyone for a meal, or done anything generous.  All he does is take.  He IS Scrouge.

Does anyone else know someone who exhibits these traits of meanness and paranoia?  Is this standard N behaviour?

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Re: My miserly brother
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2005, 08:06:35 AM »
It sounds as if he is narcissistic, but that he also has some other very severe patholgy. He sounds delusional (being gassed by the neighbor's oxygen tank is pretty far out there), paranoid, sadistic, and morbidly selfish. Most N's I've met go out of their way to initially charm and impress others, which doesn't sound like something your brother would ever do with anybody. Of course, as a family member of someone like that, you get to see his absolutely worst behavior.

Your mom sounds very much like she has a really bad case of Borderline Personality Disorder.

I really feel for you. Both your mother and your brother sound just beastly to be around. How can you stand it? Are you thinking of severing ties with your family?

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« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2005, 09:02:57 AM »
Hello Guest:

I really felt for you, that little girl, surrounded by all those boys and being bullied, with a brother there who might have at least spoken up for you, but who instead, added to your misery, with glee I bet.  Nasty!!!

That bites.  The things these people do/have done are so hurtful (their cruelty is so easily directed at you, the weakest link in the chain, so to speak).   All of that makes me feel shocked, sad, angry, even confused!  :shock: :( :x :?  How can people be so mean?

They are not healthy to be around.  The harm they cause you is not a good thing.  This isn't what family is.

 :( :( :(

Hope you will stick around here and get the support you need to break away.  This stuff can eat a person up but here.....there are repellents and salves to learn about and apply... to help heal the wounds and stave off further infestations. 

That's what they seem like to me.....these people who are supposed to be your loving family.....they seem like big, biting, blood sucking insects.  Makes me want to swat them!!! :oops: :evil:

Sela  :D

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« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2005, 12:08:48 PM »
Wow.  This is so hurtful.  Your mother and brother are so crazy and unhappy. 
But you are a different story.  You can separate from them and see how completely sick their behavior is.  You are already starting to heal from the hurts inflicted on you by them.

Maybe this sounds strange, but I feel sorry for them.  They have no idea how ill they are.  You can see it and you are not inflicting pain on anyone or even retaliating.  Perhaps you are the healthiest person in your family.  Your brother has all the money, but you will have all the love, and all the happiness.

I wish you strength and light in your journey towards health and happiness.

Plucky

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Re: My miserly brother
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2005, 12:27:22 PM »
Dear Ashamed,

I would say the miserliness of your brother is the least of his problems.  IMO, being miserly isn't exclusive to any one particular diagnosis, but I would say it is indicative of having "issues".  One can learn a lot about a person if you know how they feel about money.

I have a miser in the family (married to another miser--quite a contest over who "saves" the most money!).  It is both  irritating and amusing to watch how they deal with expenditures such as christmas, birthdays, and even pot lucks (can you say, carrots, can of olives, or loaf of bread?). 

I think misers hang on to their money because they feel they had no love as children.  If you can find a good biography of Hetty Green, the Witch of Wall Street, you might find it a good read.  She was born into an incredibly wealthy family, orphaned and became extremely paranoid (for good reason).  A miser is born.

You sound incredibly together for someone who grew up with such madness in the house.  I always wonder how some people are able to weather the storms with more resilience than others.  Good luck to you, MP

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« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2005, 01:10:04 PM »
Some people go introspective and some people go nuts and act out, like my mother.  I get stressed out and retreat into myself, but do consider myself more sane than either of them, even if I do have pretty bad self esteem problems which have really held me back in my life.  I also have anxieties over money and whether I will be capable of sustaining myself, but on a totally different level to Nbrother.

I think we were bullied and treated as worthless by my mother, and probably my brother just did what came naturally.  It only stands to reason that growing up in a household where mother was a total basket-case who offered no mothering whatsoever, he might hang on to any other way he could think of to give himself some sense of security.

I'm not really thinking of severing ties with them, though my partner thinks I should. I feel sorry for them.  I have had long periods of not seeing them in the past, though and I'm not seeing either very much at the moment, as with my brother living with her, they bounce the madness around between them and she backs him up in whatever crazy thinking he comes out with.  My mum is preoccupied with how vulnerable he is, but only makes things worse by giving him no boundaries - and thinking that it is a kindness - so he gets away with anything and lives with her like a giant toddler liable to throw a tantrum at any minute (just like she showed him how when we were kids).  She is unable to maintain a consistent train of thought (though she will defend her opinions with considerable aggression) so her messages to him are constantly mixed, as she cannot stick with one approach for more than five minutes. One minute she is a world dominator, the next she is trying to cling to me like a drowning person, teetering on the edge of another disaster.  Its not healthy to be around so I don't see them much, its far too stressful.

I need to look up borderline personality disorder, as my mother has applied this term to my brother, often to excuse his behaviour.  He is certainly no charmer, he  is very fearful of people.  I think he acts sheepish at work, keeping the dictator persona for when he gets home.

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« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2005, 08:58:57 PM »
Hi again Ashamed:

(Sorry I addressed you as guest before, missed the name I guess.  :oops:)

Just wanted to add that I think I understand your shame.  It's not like you've done anything to feel guilt over but rather the feeling that erupts when others see/hear your family or, of their stunts.... and the shame swoops down and envelopes one.  Especially if you feel like you are sanest one in your family...it makes for having to have some explanation, or some counter behaviour to show one's saneness (as if that is possible?? :lol:).  I guess it is to a certain extent.

I wish I could give you a magic pill to make such shame vanish and never return but I haven't one.  The only thing I can suggest is what helped me..which was to remind myself, frequently that these people may have the same last name as me but that's about all we have in common, in so many ways.  They are like some other life form that I don't get...may never get.....but I am not like, very much at all.  Somehow, this helped diminish the shame.....that .....and finding a way to laugh at their ridiculousness....some things they did were completely funny

.....like my father....who shot a cow
...thinking it was a deer....
and then called and said to my mother:  "I had permission to be on the property" and hung up, leaving my mother holding the other end of the telephone with a look of complete and utter confusion on her face.  Not, until people started calling and asking us if we were enjoying a lot of roast beef lately?  If they could buy a couple of roasts from us?  giggling and hanging up...until one generous, sympathetic soul told us that he had shot a cow and was arguing across country that he had permission to be on the property and shoot whatever he liked...did we realize the true idiocy and feel ashamed of him and his hunting techniques.

Embarassing?   :oops: :oops:

Totally.

but......halarious too.

 :D Sela

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Re: My miserly brother
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2005, 01:47:56 AM »
I need to look up borderline personality disorder, as my mother has applied this term to my brother, often to excuse his behaviour.  He is certainly no charmer, he  is very fearful of people.  I think he acts sheepish at work, keeping the dictator persona for when he gets home.

Hi Ashamed,
You might try looking up Obssessive-Compulsive Personality Disorder. One my Nmother's other diagnoses. They are hoarders.

What is Obsessive-Compulsive Personality Disorder?
Quick Summary:
Obsessive-Compulsive personality disorder is similar to obsessive-compulsive anxiety disorder. People with this disorder are overly focused on orderliness and perfection. Their need to do everything "right" often interferes with their productivity. They tend to get caught up in the details and miss the bigger picture. They set unreasonably high standards for themselves and others, and tend to be very critical of others when they do not live up to these high standards. They avoid working in teams, believing others to be too careless or incompetent. They avoid making decisions because they fear making mistakes and are rarely generous with their time or money. They often have difficulty expressing emotion.

Symptoms of Obsessive-Compulsive Personality Disorder:
Need for perfection and excessive discipline
Preoccupation with orderliness
Inflexibility
Lack of generosity, view money as something to be hoarded.
Hyper-focus on details and rules
Excessive devotion to work
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Re: My miserly brother
« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2005, 09:49:30 PM »
Jeepers, SF


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Need for perfection and excessive discipline
Preoccupation with orderliness
Inflexibility
Lack of generosity, view money as something to be hoarded.
Hyper-focus on details and rules
Excessive devotion to work

Add lack of empathy and rage and you have half my family!   8)  MP

Thanks for the list...

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« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2005, 12:56:58 AM »
my thoughts- be patient. Your brother is obviously more damaged by events than you have been.

Separate yourself from him in terms of- he has pathological responses to childhood which you have escaped.

Maybe take a six month sabbatical from your whole family situation to rest up and give yourself strength.
You deserve your own 'world-view' away from your background and family problems.

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Re: My miserly brother
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2005, 02:56:48 PM »
I read your post and it was a mirror of my own family.  I have a violent Nmother who was also show-stopping most of the time - she would hurt herself in front of us as children as well, although not to the extent of slitting her throat.  In any event, there were only the two of us, myself and my brother, and we were never removed to foster care, although looking back, we should have been.  My brother is now 'successful' and completely miserly - he has a great job, married a doctor and lives in suburbia, but has not paid me for tickets when we've gone to football games together; has stuck me with a supper bill for the whole family after telling everyone we're paying for it; and once, when I invited him to a dinner with a bunch of my friends, said loudly, "Well, [my wife] makes about three times what [my sister - me] makes!"  Another thing he does is brag about how he gets presents on sale or cheaply.  Money is so important to him - it is obvious to me that he is trying to be successful to live up to mom's completely insatiable expectations of us.  I love him anyway.  I sent him some stuff one time on narcissism after I discovered it and told him I thought mom was narcissistic.  He agreed.  He said it sounded a lot like him too.  I no longer put myself in a position where I will end up paying anything for him.  Since then, it has been better.  I don't have much contact with him, anymore, because it is not a relationship that will be enhanced by frequent contact.  I miss him, what he was when he was a child.  He was my protector against mom and he was younger than me - so there is a certain element of guilt too.  I don't think my post is very enlightening or helpful to you except to tell you that you are not alone.

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« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2005, 06:41:41 AM »
One time while on vacation with a friend, I visited my Nbrother and his wife. He had plenty of money at that time and asked me to supply all my own food. Translation - and buy their food as well as mine during my stay there. I was in school at the time and on a very tight budget. He had invited me to his place to stay for a week. I stayed for a couple of days and got out of there as fast as possible. I used to call him chintzy (not knowing what it meant at the time) which means embarrassingly stingy. He was and still is! My friend was shocked by my Nbrother's request to say the least.
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