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Chicken

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Supply
« on: August 21, 2005, 03:19:30 PM »
Could someone explain what "supply" is?

Is it when you give an N something to feed off?  ie. any form of contact.

My ExN keeps calling me, emailing me, texting me, trying to relay messages through other people...

I broke up with him, explaining clearly why, I asked him not to contact me further as I have nothing more to add.  He doesn't respect my wishes.  I don't respond to his calls etc, and haven't been in touch since.  Do you think this is the best approach?

If I were to tell him nastily to leave me alone would I be giving him supply?

Is he going to stop soon??? 

I find it so annoying and it slightly hinders my progress.

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« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2005, 03:25:18 PM »
they are all about attention, and if that gives out, they are all about control. Anything that feeds them emotionally is their 'supply', whether it's positive or negative attention, or just their ability to dominate you, or play games with you, or gaslight and confuse you (but you still let them into your life).

Keep ignoring him. Don't respond. If you do respond, you have just taught him that it takes 30 text messages and 10 unanswered calls to get you to respond. Then, next time, he'll be that much more persistent.

the one thing they are not about, ever, is caring about you and your needs and your welfare. keep sight of that, and it's easier to ignore the phone, delete the e-mails, and add them to your spam list.

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Re: Supply
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2005, 03:32:50 PM »
Is it when you give an N something to feed off?  ie. any form of contact.

YES.

I don't respond to his calls etc, and haven't been in touch since.  Do you think this is the best approach?

YES!

If I were to tell him nastily to leave me alone would I be giving him supply?

YES!!

Is he going to stop soon???  

Who knows. But if you give him any attention even negative, he wll continue for sure.


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« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2005, 03:46:33 PM »
Thanks so much! :D

xxxx

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Re: Supply
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2005, 08:17:19 PM »
My ex-husband was and is an evil person, a person of the lie, per M. Scott Peck. He molested our daughter, using and abusing her as a pawn, to get back at me for leaving him. He did this for ten years...and I did everything possible to get him out of her life. We were in family therapy for years; my ex never would participate and did anything and everything he could to stop us from getting help for our daughter. We determined, with the help of therapy, that my ex was getting a tremendous amount of supply by abusing our daughter and seeing my distress. He was also getting direct supply by abusing me verbally any time he could. It also took years of fighting through the courts and through the CPS to have him taken completely out of our daughter's life. My daughter was manipulated into trying to protect him, but finally gave up when she was about 13 when she couldn't stand it anymore. She started acting out so badly that she ended up in residential treatment for a couple years. That helped her to some extent and she was able to come back to live with us. After the courts cut my ex off, he was still trying to call here, as insane as that sounds. 

My dear current husband put a message on our voice mail that we were not accepting any calls from  _______ _________. We both knew that the ex would see this as a form of outing him and that it would work as a deterrant. My ex was always soooo concerned about what other people would think, so hearing a message like that he would see that we were dealing publicly with the reality of what he was, and not the fiction of who he pretended to be. He immediately stopped calling. We left the message on our voice mail for a couple of years.

If my ex-husband ever calls again, it will go right back on.

Another thing my ex tried to do was send messages through other people. We would simply state that we were not interested in talking about ________ __________ and went on to talk of other things. The co-dependent message carrying stopped quickly too. In fact, a few people expressed relief and said they had stopped talking to the ex.

We are still picking up the pieces, years later, of course. My poor daughter bore the brunt of it and has deep emotional scars. She never willingly participated in therapy. I think that getting honest about her father just felt too painful and scary for her. Knowing how molesters work, I am sure that he made her feel as if it was her fault for "making him do it."...so she probalby feels lots of shame and guilt. I am also pretty sure he threatened her.....and threatened that she would be taken away from me completely if she divulged anything. I am hoping some day she will be motivated to get some serious help, but as her mom, alll I can do is love her and offer support. We avoid the topic of my ex-husband; it is too loaded with negativity and bad feelings for all of us to deal with. 

Well, I didn't mean to get into all of this, but the voice mail message and the telling mutual acquaintances that you are just not interested may help get rid of Mr. N.


 

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Re: Supply
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2005, 10:45:49 PM »
amethyst,
Your story is heartbreaking.  I was molested at age 9, one time by a 14-year-old boy and I can still remember every detail 46 years later.  I cannot imagine how your daughter must feel knowing that her father has hurt her in this fashion.  I hope she can find the strength to get the help she needs to get through it.  I cannot imagine the pain and helplessness you must feel.  I'm so sorry.

God bless,

Brigid 

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« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2005, 11:05:57 PM »
Dont' respond.    They are looking for attention whether it is positive or negative feedback.

Just ignore and get on with your life.  A narcissist will always be negative and destructive.  Don't them fool you.    A narcissist will drag you down, manipulate you, get you on their side and then slap you in the face.    It's all about THEM.  You are an object.  Not a person with feelings.

I don't mean to sound so frank.  It took me 6 months to realize I was married to one.

Get out now and don't look back.  No matter, how much much love you "thought" you had.  You are grieving someone from the long past.    The real person is who you are dealing with now, not the facade they wanted you to believe in.     It's hard to accept when you base your life on the facade.


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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2005, 12:29:53 AM »
amethyst,
Your story is heartbreaking.  I was molested at age 9, one time by a 14-year-old boy and I can still remember every detail 46 years later.  I cannot imagine how your daughter must feel knowing that her father has hurt her in this fashion.  I hope she can find the strength to get the help she needs to get through it.  I cannot imagine the pain and helplessness you must feel.  I'm so sorry.

God bless,

Brigid 

Brigid, It is very difficult but not insurmountable. I am also an incest survivor. When I found out my ex was molesting my daughter, I was plummeted back into my childhood nightmare....and also overwhelmed with guilt for having married someone that later turned out to be a perpetrator.

I got both my daughter and myself into therapy right away. It helped both of us to some extent. It gave me the strength and resilience to face down my ex and get him out of my kid's life, even though it took ten years. I had to heal from being a victim of incest in order to be of any help to my daughter, too. I met my current husband while this was going on and he has hung in there with both of us through thick and thin, also attending therapy, parenting courses, anything he could do to help. I am a very fortunate gal to have someone like that in my life. I think taking my daughter to therapy taught her that I was not going to let her go and just shove what was happening with her father away by pretending it didn't exist while her life and behavior spiraled out of control, and while she continuously let her father off the hook. It was very tough because she acted as if she hated me for a long time, until she could no longer tolerate what her father was doing to her. I have had to work very hard not to resent her for protecting her father.   

I have a sense from my own healing process how much shame my daughter carries every day and how burdened she is with it. Being molested or sexually violated makes the victim feel as if they are permanently soiled, lower than dirt....and it also takes away our ability to trust others, as you know. In my case, my mother was complicit with the perpetrator. In my daughter's case, her mother fought the perp and tried to get help for her. I can only hope that someday my daughter will have the desire to do all the work it takes to heal. At this point she doesn't. 

My daughter now is 20, but she functions more like a 14 year old. She doesn't date and she has few friends. She is addicted to TV. She definitely has borderline characteristics, but covers them with a facade of knowing all the answers. Underneath she is fearful and terrified of abandonment. It doesn't take much for her to decompensate. She still lives with us and works low level jobs. I do make her pay rent and I literally forced her to get a driver's license. My next task will be to try to get her to start attending a community college. I love my daughter very much and I want her to have the happiest future that is possible for her, but I cannot push her too hard or too fast without an explosive counter-reaction. I also know that I cannot control her outcomes or what she does with her life...one of the many reasons I continue to go to Al-anon.

I did overhear my daughter tell a friend that I am very tough but very fair...and that I have never given up on her, even when every one else seemed to...so she obviously knows I love her and have her well-being in mind...as much as she seems to resist it. I just do it a day at a time.



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« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2005, 10:35:22 AM »
Amethyst,
Bless you for being such a wonderful mom when giving up would be the easy way out.  I'm so happy for you that you have found a loving, supportive spouse.  Many men would have walked away from this difficult situation--especially when it is not their birth child.  I have a child that same age and under the best of circumstances they can be troublesome, but we love them unconditionally and hope they learn to appreciate us as they move into adulthood. 

You have been a loving role model that has stood by her even when tested to the highest limits.  Down deep she knows this and loves you for it.  I'm glad you continue to get outside support.  I will keep you and your daughter in my prayers.

((((((((((Amethyst))))))))))))

Brigid

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Re: Supply
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2005, 01:01:18 PM »
Amethyst,
I can only imagine the resentment generated by your daughter's resistance.   After no one saved you, you went through hell to save her and she resents you.  Good on ya for not giving in to that and for not giving up.   It sounds like she has a long road to travel but you are there for her and your H is there for you.

I know that no one can heal befor they are ready but it must be very hard not to push her!
Plucky