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mum

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Re: worried about my therapist again
« Reply #45 on: September 22, 2005, 05:35:54 PM »
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Hi. I am starting to feel really weird and afraid.

Hi, Bloopsy. Hang in there. Very few people (therapists included) are completely "bad". It's ok to have ambiguous feelings about her right now. My first husband was pretty bad for me, but I have two amazing children that I would not have without my relationship with him.... Plus, I learned how to stick up for myself because of him.
I wouldn't read too much into being called the poster child of recovery.....heck, I think you're doing pretty well, also!  It's just that this is all new, this trusting yourself, this listening to yourself and believing you are worthy of your own trust.  So it's bound to be shaky at first.
I know when I started paying attention to what was going on in my head as far as what controlled my behavoir, it was new territory to say "what I think matters.....not my reaction or anticipation of other's approval/dissaproval."
I would tell people that and they would rarely get how HUGE that was for me.....
The "D" thing I understand, but you can decide how much importance you want to place on that. Maybe it's as simple as:
there was a time for her in your life, and now you are moving on.  No need to attach anything else to that. I know it may feel like "breaking up" with someone, but if she is TRULY your supporter and interested in your happiness and health, she will not be all attached to you and "hurt".  Granted, you probably don't want to abandon therapy, (sounds like you are well supported elsewhere) but you might just need to get away from her for a bit, and anyone she recommends.
You are doing great.

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Re: worried about my therapist again
« Reply #46 on: September 22, 2005, 05:56:27 PM »
Amethyst,

Thanks for your concern about my T.  There is nothing inappropriate: my therapy is through a university research clinic, so I came in knowing 1) it will be a short-term therapy (specific to the PTSD)  2) after my T finishes her phD she returns to her native country so  I will not be able to continue with my T for an indefinate period anyway, and 3) others will be learning form our sessions as well.    Much better to know such things up front, I have in the past started therapy only to recieve notice after a short time that the entire practise was being moved to a far off town it would have been difficult for me to get to!

Something like that happened to me too. I was seeing this terrific young shrink for my ADHD meds and some ADHD coaching...I just loved the guy; he was from Syria and was so funny, friendly and kind. He had such a positive approach and was the most helpful psychiatrist I have ever seen. Suddenly the whole practice split up and the docs ended up in different countries.  :( 

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« Reply #47 on: September 23, 2005, 11:36:54 AM »
Thank you guys for reassuring me not to see my therapist as completely bad or the therapy as wasted. I really appreciate the encouragement that I can go on with life and that this is a stage in my growth. Deep down I admit that I feel horribley violated and manipulated though with a sinking sensation that it was all my fault and guilt for having got anything good out of it at all, but at the same time like maybe if I try not to blame myself that it will be okay. Anyway, here's hoping for a good day for all of us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #48 on: September 23, 2005, 11:40:19 AM »
also thank you for reminding me that I have the power (((((((not her!(((((((((((( :x)))))))))))

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Re: worried about my therapist again
« Reply #49 on: September 27, 2005, 05:23:22 AM »
Sallying Forth, would you mind telling me a little more about your therapist/ what went on or how you dealt with it-- anything that does not make you uncomfortable?? I really have become dependant on her but now I don't trust anything with that anymore. Maybe it will start to sink in. I admit that I feel really used and manipulated and like I have sort of  lost the last four years of my life with her even though at the same time she has helped me so much.

Hi Bloopsy,
I've been away for a small vacation.

I'd be glad to answer your question. There is a long list but here are a few.

1. My former t tried to get me admitted to a psych ward against my will because she believed I was delusional. First she tried to do this with me and then tried to use my husband to get me into the hospital.

2. She was very intrusive and demanding information about things which she had no right to ask for in the the first place.

3. She attempted to become my mentor/guru/mother etc.

4. When I finally decided to leave her she said, "After all I've done for you? I can't believe it! You're going to leave just like that."

5. She engaged my husband in an alliance against me. She saw my husband for therapy and gleaned information from him to use to persuade me to do things, to manipulate me, etc.

There's more ... too numerous to address.

And I am still dealing with her abuse to this day. I haven't recovered. And my current t says I may never fully recover from what that t did to me.
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« Reply #50 on: September 27, 2005, 05:48:03 AM »
I thought so too, then, but I would not think so any more, after the damage that Michael did to me. 

It was always about power, and he had it all.

I cannot now attend church because of agoraphobia, in part brought on by my experiences over the years with one abusive therapist after another.  Inter alia.

(((((((((((((((((((October)))))))))))))))))))


I am so sorry you went through this abusive therapeutic relationship.

I do understand the damage it does. I am still not healed from the two abusive T's I had.

This web site relates to exploitation in therapy. And says it all for me:
http://www.advocateweb.org/hope/costofabuse.asp
The Cost of Abuse

Here's a few of the costs I can relate to:
• I lost any hope of recovering from childhood sexual abuse
• I lost my connections to important people in my life - due to the extreme isolation.
• She robbed me of my courage, my trust in others, confidence in my own judgment and past healing by re-enacting the prior abuse.
• Her abuse has cost me my freedom, my rights, my privileges, my trust in others and the mental health profession; and my freedom to be who I am.
• I have lost many, many thousands of dollars in lost income and in healing expenses.
• My mind shattered, and picking up the pieces and putting them back together may take a lifetime. (It will, not may take.)
• She shattered me, leaving permanent shards of glass in my psyche.
The truth is in me.[/color]

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« Reply #51 on: September 27, 2005, 08:29:41 AM »

This web site relates to exploitation in therapy. And says it all for me:
http://www.advocateweb.org/hope/costofabuse.asp


Thanks for that site, Sally.  As you said, there is a lot there that is familiar.  I am sorry you have had this kind of experience as well.

Now thinking that this wound has to heal properly before I can trust doctors or clergy again.   :(

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Re: worried about my therapist again
« Reply #52 on: September 27, 2005, 08:53:32 AM »
((Sallying Forth)))))) OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :shock:  I do not know what to say. I am so sorry that this happened to you.
Love,
Bloopsy

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« Reply #53 on: September 27, 2005, 10:16:34 AM »
http://www.soulwork.net/sw_articles_eng/client-abuse.htm

a lot of the things that are discussed here went on in my therapy, including the therapist as guru/mother, and I came into therapy to heal my codepenance as one of the goals and instead had it exploited which is why I am upset in particular.

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« Reply #54 on: September 27, 2005, 06:45:55 PM »
Hi Bloopsy,
The worst part is my N-t wanted to film some of our sessions. I allowed her to do it. I don't know what she did with those movies. I feel violated by her having them and not knowing where they are. There was another screwy t who didn't believe I was multiple until she saw it with her own eyes.

I was her first true multiple client and she wanted proof - icky now thinking about it. I felt like a f***ing experiment. And she wanted to use it for furthering her career. And because my abuse was about being an experiment ... that's abuse upon abuse of the exact same kind. My childhood abuse included torture done by psychiatrists.

She also wanted to video me playacting (my inside children did it within me) out the abuse. That is where I drew the line. However that didn't stop her from pestering me every couple of weeks to get me to change my mind.


My t now knows trust is there but limited because I'll never put my trust in another t or doctor or psychdoc or psychologist again.
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Re: worried about my therapist again
« Reply #55 on: September 27, 2005, 09:23:00 PM »
Sallying forth: is this person still a practicing therapist? What a twisted sister!

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« Reply #56 on: September 27, 2005, 10:02:50 PM »
Sallying Forth,
thank you fo® sharing about your story, I am so sorry that person (using the term loosely here) and all those others put  you through such horrible torture.
Love Bloopsy rose
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Re: worried about my therapist again
« Reply #57 on: September 27, 2005, 11:11:36 PM »
Yes, she is still in practice, mum. Although she had to move out of one area (probably due to her reputation). She is definitely a N-t.

When I started to see the light and was stronger I decided to make my move and leave her. At that time I was attending church for the first time in my life. She told me that she would no longer see me if I continued to go to church. She said my religion was affecting my healing. Yeah, it sure was. It was helping me to stand on my own two feet and separate from her. She didn't like that one bit. She wanted me for herself; her little captive experiment. SICK! SICK! SICK! :twisted:

Yeah, Bloopsy, I don't think I'd call this woman a person either. :lol:
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Re: worried about my therapist again
« Reply #58 on: September 28, 2005, 12:29:04 AM »
(((Sallying)))

I am so sorry. That therapist should be publicly disbarred, tarred and feathered and rode out of town. She was totally an N and obviously had no concept of the pain of dissociation and the very reasons for it, which are totally about survival of terrible trauma.

I was in group therapy with someone that had true multiples. It took every ounce of courage she had to come into the group. During our third session, she went into a mute, almost catatonic state, which was terrifying for us as well as for her. I know my terror was the fear that she might remain like that and not be able to get out of it, which is what we all felt when we processed it later. To not be able to reach someone who appeared to be fully cognizant a minute before was so scary. She finally came out of it and continued the work in the group and had a great deal of healing. I had the utmost respect for her. All of us in that group were incest survivors and had our own experiences with dissociation, so we all knew on some level how terrifying splitting and dissociation can be. I was lucky to be in that group.

I had severe dissociative problems in my late teens and early twenties when I first started having flashbacks. It was horrible. Everything felt unreal. I felt as if I was removed from my SELF, watching myself perform, in a numb state. Then shortly after the dissociation would come overwhelming panic attacks. However, I never lost time. I did feel as if I was split and fragmented, though, which was the truth.

When I was in my forties, I started actively working on my incest and abuse issues. One morning I woke up and felt "small." I looked at the adult clothes in my closet and could not quite believe they belonged to me. I could not get dressed and just sat on the edge of the bed for fifteen minutes staring at the closet, worrying about how to get dressed in those big clothes. I also was frantic because I knew that I could not drive in that child-like state.  Luckily, I had grown enough of an adult to realize exactly what was happening, to remember that I had heard about this phenomenon, and to know that some fragmentary part of my unhealed inner self was making herself known to the rest of me. I also knew not to panic and that this was happening for the reason that this part of myself finally felt safe enough to show up. I managed to pick up the phone and call my employer to tell them I was sick. I then pulled on some warm sweats, which felt ok to that part of myself, who was about five. I spent most of the day in that state of being five with a functioning adult. It turned out to be a great thing because I learned to feel and nurture a part of myself that I had disowned many years before...and that poor little girl inside learned that there was an adult there to take care of her.

I seldom talk about this because many people who have never split or fragmented don't understand. I feel safe enough here to write about it. I know that I am eminently sane, but it took a long time to realize that. It took even longer for me to trust that there are others, even some who have never experienced the terror of dissociation, who truly have the empathy and compassion to understand.

Luckily, I had a great therapist who never would have exploited this and who realized that full and partial dissociative states were the only way that many of us could psychologically survive our abuses. I cannot imagine what it would have been like to have an abuser as my therapist. I would not have ever felt safe enough to process what happened.

The last thing I want to say is that you have come a long, long way and that I admire your courage and your perseverance.

Hugs to you Sallying, Amethyst

 

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« Reply #59 on: September 28, 2005, 12:12:09 PM »
(((amethyst)thank you for having the courage to describe what happened in your dissociation. That kind of thing happened to me too--- I spent a lot of my teens dissociated and not knowing what it was--- my doctor prescribed me lithium which made me even more out of it than before. A while ago I would wake up not knowing what to think and feeling really weird for having abody of an adult. Sometimes I walk around feeling like a very small little child with no one to love me, or like an abused ten year old on guard against my mothers boyfriend with no way out. I haven't really known what to think of this,and the way that you described how you dealt with it was very helpful to me .