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I don't feel ANGER anymore
« on: November 18, 2005, 07:30:46 AM »
hmmmm...

Just reading Sallying Forth's thread and it got me thinking, I never really feel anger!  I have had a string of abusive relationships and growing up I had a very volatile relationship with my Mother.  I was angry with her as a kid, I used to yell and scream and curse at her and throw things around, as you do (! :? ?)

Anyway, my anger now seems to have transformed to compassion.  This may sound good but I don't think it is!  I make excuses for people because i can see their issues and I understand where they are coming from.  Thus my boundaries are crossed.  I wish I could be angry!  It seems healthier.  Anger is something every one should feel.  Why am I not angry at my Mother who has really hurt me and not met my needs?  Well, because she had a painful upbringing too, her Mother never met her needs either, my Mother didn't have the courage to face her pain, I think it would break her.  She has put herself in an isolated position where she is protected from anyone ever getting close to her, even her own children.  I get along quite well with her now.  I have changed my attiude to her.  I don't have any expectations or needs from her.  We have a distant relationship.  I receive one text a month from her that says "how are you?" she never calls me.  She never remembers my birthday.  She doesn't know my address.  Never visits.  I live quite a distance from her, but the flights are under £10.  But I am not angry with her.  I don't want any more from her.  I am happy the way it is.

How can you be angry at someone who is just a grown up "scared-child"  when I think of her I am torn apart with sadness...  but does this understanding give someone a license to ignore me? 

Is this how I get into similar relationships with men?  I let my last ex mistreat me terribly, but I loved him and cared for him as I saw him as a hurt child whos Dad punched him in the face.  I always make excuses for people. 

What's all this about?

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Re: I don't feel ANGER anymore
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2005, 07:36:54 AM »
HI Selkie,
It may be fear of actually feeling the anger.  Anger is a very powerful emotion that we should be allowed to feel just as we feel other stronge emotions like fear and even joy.  From personal experience, you might try thinking about  something that really angers you or has angered you and punching a pillow or even screaming in the car.   It may sound like a silly exercise but I have found it can release that plugged up emotion so we can move on to other emotions.  I have also found it helpful to try an exercise in a relaxed place and body position where I can concentrate on where I feel anger in my body.  This has also allowed for release when necessary. It is very cool that you realize you are having a problem experiencing anger.  So many just deny it's existence which takes its toll on you. 

AS you probably know, when we have difficulty experiencing one emotions it usually results in difficulty feeling others.  "Depression is the damning of the river of emotions".  (Dont know who said it)

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Re: I don't feel ANGER anymore
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2005, 07:45:26 AM »
(((((((((((((((((Selkie))))))))))))))))))) honey....

Maybe it's because you don't give yourself the right to be angry... because you were angry in your teens, you see it as a negative emotion and therefore suppress it.  I have a load of self help stuff on my PC and this is what I have for blocked anger.  I'm not sure that this is what yours is, but it has a lot of questions to ask yourself so you may be able to find some answers.  H&H xx

Handling Blocks to Anger
Content:

What happens when anger is blocked?
What are blocks to anger?
Why would anyone be unable to express anger?
How can blocks to anger be overcome?
What steps can be taken to overcome blocks to anger?

What happens when anger is blocked?
When my anger is blocked I:

·        feel depressed and don't know why I'm so down.

·        cry easily, even uncontrollably at times for no apparent reason.

·        feel sad.

·        find myself being chronically hostile, pessimistic, or unfriendly.

·        can be very sarcastic, caustic, or cynical.

·        find myself going in circles in regard to personal growth, with little hope for success in the future.

·        deny that I even have anger.

·        resent suggestions from others to work on my anger.

·        am confused by what others describe as anger in their lives.

·        refuse to accept that anger is an important tool for personal growth.

·        joke about the value of anger in my life.

·        resist those things that make me feel uncomfortable or ill at ease.

·        experience physical distress.

·        feel exhausted, weak, lethargic, or disinterested in life.

·        am afraid of anger expressed in my presence.



What are blocks to anger?
Blocks to anger can be varied, including :

Fear of rejection. Fear that ``if I express anger I will be rejected by others.''

Need for approval. Wanting the approval and recognition from others so much so that I hesitate to ever show my anger around them.

Intimidation. Giving others power over me so great that I fear showing my anger in front of them, lest they get mad and make me pay a costly negative consequence.

Not knowing what normal is. Never having experienced a ``normal'' life where anger was expressed in a healthy way inhibits not only my expression of anger but my recognition of it.

Need to keep the peace. Being compulsively driven to placate and appease others, I am never free enough to express my feelings of honest anger.

Desire to please others. Wanting to keep others happy, pleased and relaxed with me, I choose to avoid the expression of anger around them.

Dependency on others. Looking to others for approval and personal fulfillment, I suppress, ignore, and overlook any anger that arises in me as a result of the relationship.

Fear of going crazy. Believing that once I start expressing my anger I'd never stop, consequently I'd be out of control and labeled insane.

Need for control. Believing that all emotions must be continuously kept in check leads me to ignore, avoid, or overlook any anger that I or others in my life are experiencing.

Belief that anger is bad. Since I believe that all expressions of anger are bad, wrong, undesirable, and unhealthy, I believe that the way to be healthy is never to allow myself to get angry.

Naiveté or lack of knowledge. Being sheltered, ignored, pampered, spoiled, or overly coddled can protect me from anger in my life, leading me to believe innocently that there ``is never a reason to get angry.''

Guilt. Feeling such severe guilt, remorse, and self-denigration for past expressions of anger inhibits me from identifying, expressing, or experiencing current anger.

Depression. Experiencing a flat affect, lack of interest in life, lack of enthusiasm, or energy, or constant sadness can dull my emotional response to life, leaving me unable to experience or express authentic anger.

Pollyanna outlook on life. Wanting only to look at or remember the ``bright'' or ``happy'' side inhibits me from tuning into the realities of life, past or present, that deserve my anger.

Fear of conflict or confrontation. Recognizing that if I express my anger, I open myself up for others to disagree with, criticize, or confront me with their anger.

Desire to be a good role model. Believing that anger is unhealthy for our children, subordinates, or work colleagues I choose never to express anger in their presence.

Need to entertain or be humorous. Always wanting to keep others from focusing on the negative aspects of reality leads me to ignore, inhibit, or fail to experience anger.

Lack of clarity about what is authentic anger. Always second guessing whether or not my feelings of anger are valid will eventually leave me in an anger vacuum

Feeling ridiculous. Considering anger work-out exercises to be silly, foolish, or childish will result in my inability to experience the true emotion of anger and its cathartic release during these therapeutic work-out sessions.

Overuse of medication. By addictive drinking, drug use, sex, gambling, food intake, shopping, etc., I can so medicate my emotional response to life that I am unable to recognize or experience authentic anger.



Why would anyone be unable to express anger?
Anger blocks are developed in many ways, including:

·        living in a dysfunctional family of origin.

·        being the codependent of a troubled person, one addicted to alcohol, drugs, food, gambling, sex, etc.

·        experiencing a traumatic life event perceived as being caused by the expression of anger.

·        getting no positive response to my past expressions of anger.

·        the resistance to change in life.

·        the unwillingness to be open to alternative modes of expressing feelings.

·        a lack of desire to become vulnerable and unmask anger for what it really is.

·        insecurity in my life, in my relationships, in my family, or at work.

·        a lack of trust that others will accept me the way I really am.

·        a sense of inferiority:

o my feelings are not important;

o I don't deserve to express negative feelings;

o I can't say how I feel if I want to be accepted;

o I really never know how I feel anyway.



How can blocks to anger be overcome?
Blocks to anger can be overcome by:

·        self-confrontation as to how I am feeling about the negative aspects of my past and current life.

·        giving myself permission to take the risk of making a fool of myself by participating in anger work-out activities.

·        keeping a daily log of my feelings including how my day has been, and recording the negative aspects and my feelings about each one.

·        role playing an angry confrontation in a caring environment with my support group.

·        yelling at the top of my lungs to loosen up emotional expression whenever I'm driving.

·        learning to be assertive.

·        expressing my negative feelings appropriately to the others in my life.

·        working on my self-esteem and self-worth so that I believe it is OK for me to be angry.

·        redefining anger as a necessary tool for my personal growth and improved mental health.

·        accepting that anger is a necessary step in grieving and accepting the losses in my life.

·        reminding myself that I deserve the benefits of the expression and resolution of authentic anger.



What steps can be taken to overcome blocks to anger?
Step 1:    I need to review What happens when anger is blocked?, then answer the following questions in my journal.

A.           How often is my anger blocked?

B.            How is my experience of past anger different from my experience of current anger? Is one blocked more than the other? Why?

C.            How would my life be different if my anger were no longer blocked?

D.           How is overcoming blocked anger important to my happiness?

E.           How do I feel about dealing with blocked anger?

F.            How free do I feel to pursue overcoming the blocks to my anger? What is holding me back?

Step 2:   After exploring the results of blocked anger, I need to review What are blocks to anger? and answer these questions in my journal:

A.           What blocks exist for my past anger?

B.            What blocks exist for my current anger?

C.            Are the blocks identified in questions A and B the same? Different?

    (1)       If the same: Why and what does this tell  me about my personality?

    (2)       If different: Why and what happened in my life to change the way I deal with anger?

D.           Which blocks to my anger could be overcome? Which ones seem impossible to overcome?

E.           How willing am I to work at overcoming the difficult or seemingly impossible blocks to my anger?

Step 3:   After identifying my blocks to anger, I am ready to speculate on how these blocks came into existence. I will answer the following questions in my journal:

A.           How was anger dealt with in my family of origin? How did this affect my own expression of anger?

B.            How does my behavioral style, developed in my family of origin, influence the way I handle anger? Which blocks to anger are characteristics of my personality style?

C.            How have my relationships with troubled persons affected the way I handle anger?

D.           How have negative experiences with the expression of anger in the past influenced how I handle anger now?

E.           What would happen to my relationships if my blocks to anger disappeared? Example: family members, peers, professional associates, loved ones.

F.            What are my greatest fears about unblocking my anger? How do these fears hold me back? How do they keep my anger blocked?

Step 4:   Having recognized the sources of my blocks to anger, I am now ready to develop a plan of action to unblock my anger.

Outline for Unblocking Anger

1.             Blocks to my anger include:

2.            To unblock my anger daily I will:

3.            The following "support'' people will help me unblock my anger:

4.            My efforts to unblock my anger will be recorded in my journal daily.

5.            To measure my success in unblocking my anger I will make the following changes in my personal habits, emotions, and activities.

Step 5:    If my anger is still blocked, I will go back to Step 1, and begin again.
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Re: I don't feel ANGER anymore
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2005, 07:45:54 AM »
Thanks Bliz
I appreciate that, but trying to feel anger when I don't is difficult.  I am not sure I want to encourage it either.  I don't know if I should be angry at my Mother.  She didn't hurt me on purpose.  If someone hurt me on purpose, I am angry in a shot.  I do get angry, but not about my Mother and my abusive ex's.  
Someone made a snide remark about my nationality the other day at work, it was a customer, and I saw red!  I was really livid.  I am feisty as hell when i need to be, believe me!   But I do not feel anger towards my Mother or abusive, manipulative men...  I am wondering if this is why I attract them?  because they know they can behave badly with me and get away with it!

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Re: I don't feel ANGER anymore
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2005, 07:53:54 AM »
I do get angry, but not about my Mother and my abusive ex's.  
Someone made a snide remark about my nationality the other day at work, it was a customer, and I saw red!  I was really livid.  

Was your anger in proportion with this customer's comment?  I know myself, that sometimes I get angry with my husband about something trivial and he turns to me and says "I didn't deserve that reaction" and it's true.  My anger towards my parents sometimes comes out at the wrong person.
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« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2005, 08:17:44 AM »
Hi H&H

firstly, in reply to the latter post, my anger was in proportion to the customers comment.  It may have sounded like misplaced anger to you but in all honesty it wasn't.  I was just trying to point out that I am capable of anger in some instances.  I have put up with comments about my nationality all my life, and I find it very hurtful and uncalled for and it makes me feel like a lesser person.  I find myself trying to hide my accent on occasion which is so crazy!  but I still do it!  Anyway, I calmed down after about 5 minutes or so.


Thank you so much for the stuff you pasted into the above post.  It's very apt and i think it is very much me.  It's funny you know, because my sister is eternally angry at my Mother, she is anger on legs.  ...always fuming when in my Mother's company.  She sometimes says things she regrets as she cannot contain her anger any longer.  Then there is me!  I don't see the point in being angry with her.  I have recently come to the realisation that I had an "uncomfortable childhood", this is something I have only fleetingly admitted to in the past but then thought "oh it wasn't really that bad" etc.  So I guess I have arrived at the conclusion that my Mother was cold, and didn't meet my needs.  She didn't love me, she didn't want me, she never listened to my stories, she pretended to, but when I asked her to repeat what I said, she couldn't.  She didn't protect me.  She didn't give a damn about me in anyway.  The emotion that fills me when I reach this realisation is sadness, not one ounce of anger. 

Anyway, I am not sure I want to feel angry anyway so I don't want to know how to feel it.  I felt it when I was younger, there is no need to now.  I feel like I have come to terms with it.  What's the point in being angry at someone who didn't do something on purpose?

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Re: I don't feel ANGER anymore
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2005, 08:36:26 AM »
Hi H&H

firstly, in reply to the latter post, my anger was in proportion to the customers comment.  It may have sounded like misplaced anger to you but in all honesty it wasn't.  I was just trying to point out that I am capable of anger in some instances. 

Hey Selkie hon.... I believe you... I was just aware that it's something I do occassionally.

I have put up with comments about my nationality all my life, and I find it very hurtful and uncalled for and it makes me feel like a lesser person.  I find myself trying to hide my accent on occasion which is so crazy!  but I still do it!  Anyway, I calmed down after about 5 minutes or so.
I replied to Marta earlier that some people go to great lengths to avoid confrontation and I feel that you trying to hide your accent falls into this category.  Why do you think you do this?  What are you trying to hide from, yourself?

Thank you so much for the stuff you pasted into the above post.  It's very apt and i think it is very much me.  It's funny you know, because my sister is eternally angry at my Mother, she is anger on legs.  ...always fuming when in my Mother's company.  She sometimes says things she regrets as she cannot contain her anger any longer.  Then there is me!  I don't see the point in being angry with her.  I have recently come to the realisation that I had an "uncomfortable childhood", this is something I have only fleetingly admitted to in the past but then thought "oh it wasn't really that bad" etc.  So I guess I have arrived at the conclusion that my Mother was cold, and didn't meet my needs.  She didn't love me, she didn't want me, she never listened to my stories, she pretended to, but when I asked her to repeat what I said, she couldn't.  She didn't protect me.  She didn't give a damn about me in anyway.  The emotion that fills me when I reach this realisation is sadness, not one ounce of anger. 
I also understand why you feel (as I see it anyway) the indifference to your Mum... she couldn't help it, it wasn't her fault.  However Selkie hon, she was still an adult and she was still your parent.  Regardless of what had happened in the past, she had the responsibility to love and nurture YOU!  So because of your past this makes it ok to treat your friends/family/children the way your Mum treated you?  I just wondered as well, do you understand your sister's anger?

Anyway, I am not sure I want to feel angry anyway so I don't want to know how to feel it.  I felt it when I was younger, there is no need to now.  I feel like I have come to terms with it.  What's the point in being angry at someone who didn't do something on purpose?
I feel that you do know how to feel anger... you felt it for the customer.  She, your ex's, everybody are responsible for their own words and actions, whether it's on purpose or not.  I feel that what you are saying is that, they didn't mean it, they just accidentally treated me this way.  Not so hon!  Take care H&Hxx
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Re: I don't feel ANGER anymore
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2005, 09:23:30 AM »
Selkie,
I think it is healthy to feel and release the anger we have toward someone--if it is holding us back from finding peace and happiness.  I think my xnh is a perfect example of someone who was never able to express, release or even admit the anger he had regarding his father's binge drinking and abandonment of the family for days at a time when he was growing up.  My ex was so conflicted over the reverance he felt for his very intelligent, successful father and the disdain he felt for the alcoholic bum.  It has ultimately destroyed him at so many levels and if he never confronts it while his father is still alive, he will never get beyond it.  I can feel some compassion for my ex for having lived in that situation, but I am still unforgiving of his ultimate treatment of me--I did not deserve it.

In my entire life, there have only been 2 people who could really push my buttons and make me very angry--my first exh and my father (they could have been the same person).  It sometimes scared me how angry I could become with them.  No one else has ever had that same impact on me.  I get angry with others who treat me unfairly--I'm very big on fairness--but not the same kind of explosive, out of control anger that those two could generate.  Since one is dead and the other I haven't seen for over 30 years, it is no longer a problem for me, but I occasionally worry that someone else could enter my life and have the same affect on me.

Sometimes it is not worth the energy it would take to be angry with someone.  I had a lot of suppressed anger toward my mother in her later years, but to have expressed it would have accomplished nothing.  My way of dealing with it was to have very little contact with her and when I did have to talk to her, tune out the things she said that hurt or angered me.  The few times I did tell her that I didn't want to hear those things anymore, were totally ignored.  I can see now how insidious her attacks on me were, but at the time I just saw her as clueless. 

If your heart is not in feeling angry with your mother, then quit trying.  I think the better goal is finding what makes you happy and at peace and then you won't need to worry about the anger--it will become resolution.

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Re: I don't feel ANGER anymore
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2005, 09:40:25 AM »
Here’s a guide I like about good and bad anger. http://www.mtoomey.com/violating_liberating.html

Selkie:

But I do not feel anger towards my Mother or abusive, manipulative men...  I am wondering if this is why I attract them?  because they know they can behave badly with me and get away with it!

Another question: why are you attracted to abusive manipulative men? What is it in them that attracts you? Their similarity to your mother? We keep trying to solve the problems of the past by repeating the same relationships.

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« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2005, 09:44:19 AM »
Hi all:

Selkie:  I have a hard time feeling angry with a person who is too ill to behave appropriately (that's my interpretation of it.....if the person was treated so badly that they did not develop into a mentally/emotionally healthy adult......then....there is illness).  Just because they are an adult in age, does not make them an adult in development.  Some people just don't develop properly and will never behave as adults.

For me......it's more llike.......would I be angry with them if there were a brain tumour there...causing the behaviours/disfunction/mixed up brain??  Ofcourse not.  Having a tumour wouldn't be their fault nor would they truly be responsible for their own behaviour in that case.  Being mistreated to the point of being mentally and emotionally disfunctional......was not their fault either.  But I do feel angry toward whoever mistreated them..........until I realize that person also.....was mistreated....and so on.

This does not excuse their behaviour or mean that it's ok....the way they behaved.  But it does put the blame back a generation, back another, back and back and back to cave man days when the most violent, fittest, nutbar but nevertheless tough guy dude......ruled....survived.....thrived.......and abused.

Maybe you don't need to feel anger toward such people Selkie (maybe you expressed much of it when you were a teenager.....until you matured and began to understand the behaviour/reasons for it)?  And so it's not them..the ill people... you neeeed to feel angry toward??

Maybe for you....Selkie.....the hurt you endured......not who's fault it is....but the pain that you experienced....still experience because of the love and nurturing you did not receive....will never receive from these ill people......maybe for you that sadness feels safer than anger?

I find it almost overwhelming to feel strong anger when there is no target.  No particular person to blame.  It feels frustrating.  It's like there needs to be a dart board to actually throw the darts at.  Throwing them into thin air just doesn't work because there is no thud and no bullseye.  Does this make sense?  Does feeling angry mean placing fault?  Doesn't it feel strange to try to feel anger toward some unknown culprit?
It's something for me, that has taken practice to deal with.

(If I could track that original cave man down and give him a piece of my mind...........but......he was probably born with a disturbance so that wasn't his fault either).  Actually....thinking this keeps my anger in check or soothes it.  But every so often.......I forget to be logical.....I forget to think....and I just feel.

And when that happens......what comes to the surface for me is how unfair it is that I have suffered so much and pure emotion emerges....no further thought.  Feeling is much different than thinking.

(Thankyou Portia for saying that somewhere recently.  It is only now sinking in).

Maybe Selkie.....it's not thinking about them or their behaviour or why or who's fault or not fault or any reasons or anything that might be what you need?  Maybe you just need to feel for you....about you...what you experienced......what damage it's done to you......how sad it's made you......how tolerant......how very hurt......that will at some point.....make you mad enough to just scream at the unknown.....at the injustice of it.......at your poor luck???

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Sela

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Re: I don't feel ANGER anymore
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2005, 07:37:01 AM »
Hi Selkie,
I wasnt suggesting that you try to manufacture anger from nothing, just a way to get in touch with your anger. We all have it and it is defintely okay.  Many of us codepedents have a difficult time getting in touch with that anger.  Many of us were raised in dysfuncitonal households where we "walked on eggshells" due to one or more unhealthy parents.  We learned all to well, to "read the signs" and adjust our behavior accordingly.  This included losing touch with our feelings as it was often an unsafe environment in which to feel those feelings and/or share them with others.  Our childhoods were usually all too much about the feelings of someone else and honoring their feelings before us. 

Now it is our time and we have to go back and peel off those layers.  Maybe even return at times and in a safe place to feeling and expressing our emotions more like a child would.  That may involve the occasional temper tantrum.  I am guessing you are able to show and feel your anger towards the rude person at work because that seemed safe to you.  Expressing anger towards your mother probably does not feel safe.  Yes, intellectually you understand as I now understand, that our mother's were ill and had their own problems.  That still does not take away the justified anger that we have against not being properly mothered ourselves.  Somehow we need to tap into that and let it out, so we can also feel the more positive emotions more easily and fully.

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Re: I don't feel ANGER anymore
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2005, 08:07:48 AM »
Hello All!  ...and thank you for your replies.  Lots of interesting stuff here for me.

Sela, your post hit the nail on the head for me.  I let her know through my behaviour that I was not a happy camper with her treatment of me.  I constantly acted out.  I was not silent child!  I was a terror!  I think I reacted DURING rather than AFTER.   This, I believe saved me.  My sister was silent throughout.  She cried a lot as a kid and kept it all in.  She never raised her voice.  She is now consumed with anger towards my Mother, and cannot seem to get beyond it.  We don't see eye to eye on it as she has no understanding of my Mother and no pity.  I feel like I have reached a place of peace about it emotionally, though I am still saddened by the whole thing and I work through how it affects me today.  I have detached myself from blaming my Mother.  I have let go.   

Sela said: "This does not excuse their behaviour or mean that it's ok....the way they behaved.  But it does put the blame back a generation, back another, back and back and back to cave man days when the most violent, fittest, nutbar but nevertheless tough guy dude......ruled....survived.....thrived.......and abused."

This is where I am at.  I am beyond blaming my Mother because she too is in pain from her experience which was similar to mine.  She is not a bad person.  She did not make the right choices in my opinion.  I see it as a tragedy and it saddens me. 

Before I started this thread, I thought I should maybe feel angry.  I wondered if I was perhaps burying it, but now I realise that I am not.  I did the anger thing for years and years and now it's gone!  There is sadness, but that's ok.

Thanks gang!


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Re: I don't feel ANGER anymore
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2005, 09:00:13 AM »
Hi Selkie,

I loved your post.  I feel much as you do.  I was hell on wheels as a teenager when I realized how I'd been shortchanged and got it all out of my system.  At 45, I have no desire or need to be angry with this 65 year old sickly lady, who suffered most of her life trying to find happiness, making poor choices and now living with those consequences.  Anger is a healthy emotion when expressed appropriately.  I'm curious, what did you say to that customer?  Like you, I am one who gets mad, let's it out and then LETS IT GO!

I haven't got time or energy to carry that around with me.  It takes an awful lot these days to get me angry.  I do as you have mentioned, I try to see it from their perspective and be understanding.  I believe that's the real test of empathy and understanding.  Seeing the polar opposite of my own experience or view not just those experiences and feelings I have in common.

Regarding your question about men, I don't think that it is unusual for women to face this same difficulty.  There are not a whole lot of "healthy" availabe men out there.  (No offense single guys!)  Why, is a whole other discussion

General Theory of Love talks about that in particular.  It has to do with brain patterns and familiarity and it takes work to undo these patterns and create new ones. 

Recognizing the pattern is first.  What is it aside from the abusiveness that these guys all have in common?

Has it got something to do with the father figure in your life?

What is your idea of the ideal man physically, socially, emotionally, spirtiually, financially, etc.?

I think it takes a lot of real self evaluation to get at ones patterns.  Help from those who know you well can give you an even clearer picture.

CeeMee

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Re: I don't feel ANGER anymore
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2005, 09:57:59 AM »
Hi all:

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Many of us were raised in dysfuncitonal households where we "walked on eggshells" due to one or more unhealthy parents.  We learned all to well, to "read the signs" and adjust our behavior accordingly.  This included losing touch with our feelings as it was often an unsafe environment in which to feel those feelings and/or share them with others.  Our childhoods were usually all too much about the feelings of someone else and honoring their feelings before us.


Just wanted to say that I think you are right Bliz, in that this probably happens in many, if not most, dysfunctional homes.  And I have to admit that I have felt very weird for it not feeling like that for me (until now....when Ceemee and Selkie have said how it was for them).

My situation was similar to theirs.  I fought back against the demons.  I blew my stack sometimes.  Even as a little child.  As I grew, I  pounded away on a piano other times, or a guitar.  I wrote music, poetry, kept a journal.  Alllllllll of my friends knew what a nuthouse I lived in and I fully expressed my feelings to my closest ones, who supported me very nicely.  I even confided in a friend's mother, whom I trusted, and she guided me along in so many ways.......I will always be grateful to her for the love she showed a child/teen that wasn't hers (and for not reporting anything to anyone because I did not want to live in a foster home).  Eventually.....I went to a hospital and found a therapist.  She was surprised, she said, at "how well I coped and my level of serenity".  I'll never forget her saying that.  She put it into words for me.

I really don't feel like I grew up retaining a big pot of anger.  It feels like I got it out and got on with life, when I felt really angry (not like I stuffed it).  I don't grind my teeth in my sleep (well........in relation to my childhood traumas/abusive upbringing, I mean, not in regard to my more current traumas/abusive experiences....there's definately some residual anger hanging about there---as it is still, in many ways,  current ).

Maybe it's a good thing to have had that opportunity, in the past.  To have been able to roar back at the lions!  To have stood up and have had a voice......even for a few short moments......and to really express our anger directly to our abusers?  In my case, I got beaten worse for it.......but that didn't stop me.   There was always a next time.

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That still does not take away the justified anger that we have against not being properly mothered ourselves.  Somehow we need to tap into that and let it out, so we can also feel the more positive emotions more easily and fully.

I think I half agree but am not sure about this ( :?).  Maybe it isn't always anger a person feels for not being properly parented?  I feel sad about it.  Or maybe there's something wrong with me because I don't feel anger about not being parented properly?  I feel more pity....for my parents and even myself......than I do anger.  It really does seem like a sad situation...but......I've survived and moved on.

Or maybe.......the sadness is hiding some anger that I am not aware of?  Or maybe I'm past feeling anger....past that part of grieving?

To be honest......I feel quite past it.......like Selkie said......it feels gone.

I do think you're right though Bliz.  I do think that anger has to be expressed, at some point, in order to purge it from our systems and make room for bigger and brighter feelings!  I'm just not sure that every person responds by repressing it.  Some people fight back the whole time and just don't retain it.

I think they are still voiceless..to a certain extent.  They still have thoughts and feelings to express that have been silenced.  But maybe not evvvvery body feels or is carrying a huge load of buried anger??

 :D Sela

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Re: I don't feel ANGER anymore
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2005, 01:08:35 PM »
HI Sela,
I did post earlier, but it got lost in cyberspace, apparently.  I agree with you also.  Not everyone stuffed their anger as I did.  Some acted out.  I guess the shrinks wouldnt promote either as a great way to handle anger.

I have been fortunate that Mom eventually got help.  We were able to rebond and have a fairly typical mother/daughter relationship.  I realize now that her N mother abandoned her as her mother did before.  Always seems to be a history when there is a dysfuntion.

I do believe that it is best to let out your emotions as they occur, in small doe as they arise. Part of the problem with stuffing and acting out is the emotions have festered for awhile. 

The cult of not expressing strong emotions, still persists in our family, particularly directed at the women. I have at least two brothers that are ragers and loose cannons.  They probably sleep better at night unless consumed guilt, which I doubt. So now I try to stay in tune with myself and feel as it comes along, not intellectualize it too much.  Also a risk.