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Hopalong:
That's laughable.
Can you imagine Doc G deleting any of us "as punishment"?

Wow.

And therein lies the difference between these two teachers.
How sad for the unwary that the "voicehog" is practically synonymous with N-issues.
When he's actually so mired in it all does not grow. Celebrates his power and cruelty.

Hops

Me:
Hi all,

He is a Yankee Hater #1, and he rules from the roost of his site#2.  His illness is his demon, and he knows it.  As accurate as he describes N symptoms he probable demonstrates them even better, and again.......knows it, tough spot to live in.  He is not into healing, just like the politicians need dependence so that they can promise solutions, Vaknin needs affirmation of being supreme in his semantics.  He is obviously romanticized by his own writings and any challenge needs to be "screened and approved" so that it does not take center stage.  Vaknin is not seeking healing, he is seeking supremacy for his "Narcissistic Supply".  The internet is the easiest and fastest avenue for ego satisfaction, there is always someone weak, and needy enough to subscribe to whatever madness you demonstrate as the new light.  I like his writings because he went too far in helping us to understand the darkness of the N.  Perhaps this is why he says that the illness cannot be conquered because the darkness that he controls is $ to him regardless of the issues.  Most people on this site are interested in healing, solutions, enlightenment, and closure.  Vaknin demonstrates with his actions that you need to be dependant on his point of view, understanding, enlightenment, and his closure, he is the sad truth of this illness, its like reading an autobiography of a serial killer.  His writings were meant for anyone not American, other than that you have to pay the toll for being one (trying to get his approval).  He in my opinion has written the "Mein Kompff" of N'ism, but with the hate of American spoil.  Just my opinion..........lol


God Bless America,

Wally

wally:
Hi Moonlight,

I am not used to this site as I probably should be but it was me Wally, I signed in as "me" because I didn't realize that I hadn't signed in and I did not want to rewrite.  I think that perhaps I was, or could have been giving supply to Vaknin if 1) I thought that he monitored this site, and 2) If I really cared if he or anyone else saw what I was writing.  I was simply expressing my point of view, about his views, in contrast with his slants.  I honestly don't care if he is bothered for the good or the bad on my opinion, I have a life.  Even if he personally responded I may or may not get back to him based on the content and that has more to do with me not wanting to give more energy to him or the subject than is entertainably reasonable or comfortable for me.  I am not trying to pick a fight, and do not have any interest in pursuing one, but I did read his book and know some deal of his claims, therefore I was interested in this particular thread.  I am not repelling you by any means, I am who I am, and would be willing to discuss many things just not willing to debate about wether my opinion matters or not, cause I know in the big scheme its all arguable (until a news anchor makes it scripture).  Vaknin has some great insights, and his actions display exactly what he has pronounced in his own illness.  If I wrote a book, I am sure that I could not handle the vast criticisms, not to suggest that I would have enough knowledge or patience to do so.  Worst case scenario for me is I bumble through life with my wonderful wife and kids.  Vaknin's life is his pain, not mine and that is true for all.  I want to heal, and I need all the information I can get wrong and right to do so, and I am willing to risk the pain of being wrong, and am not worried about the consequences of being humbly right as this is not my goal. 

Sorry........not to jump down your throat, I am just hurting like the rest of the honest people on this board, and I know you mean no harm.


Wally

Sheela:
I also have read Vaknin. He is an NPD with self-awareness. The extent of the disease shows itself in him; with as much education and intimate knowledge of the condition as he has, he is still forced to operate as Narcissist. He needs your wide-eyed disbelief, your search for an" expert", your search for the answer. He also needs your horror and your your disbelief. Narcissisists glory in being "The Answer, "The Expert" "The Source."

What he has  to say is truthful and scary. He needs that. yet I beleive he is intelligent ans knows how twisted his needs are.

I logged into his site and left a comment. I then received a flood of emails from him containin obsessive descriptions of NPD in greater detail than anyone could ever care to know. Apparently, by logging into his site, I was also (unbeknownst to me), signed up to receive his voluminous emails on the minutiae of Narcissistic living. In other words, as a brilliant but twisted man, he has found a brilliant but twisited way to get all of his N's need met through our attention,  his "Narcissistic Supply." That attentions is acceptable regardless of it nature; it can be horror, sadness, entreaty, worship, awe or fear. Our reactrion is a constant mirror.

To Vaknin's  credit , when I asked to be taken off the  list, I was, immediately. I feel sorry for him. I am also glad i don't know him.

wally:
Hey Moonlight, why did you take your post off the board?  That was a nice bait and switch.......clever.

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