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Anonymous:
Angelfire...is that you?

Portia:
Two results:

http://www.angelfire.com/zine2/narcissism/paranoidnarcissismspectrum.html

http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2004/12/letter_from_dav.php
(above angelfire site referenced here)

another which google didn't find, the source:
http://faculty.ncwc.edu/toconnor/428/428lect15.htm

Angelfire, or whoever, I found this useful, thank you. In particular, about paranoia and delusions:


--- Quote ---Bizarre -- belief that others can hear your thoughts, others are inserting thoughts, or your thoughts, feelings, and impulses are controlled by an external force
Referential -- belief that certain gestures, comments, song lyrics, or passages in printed material are specifically intended for you or reference you in some way
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I have experienced these, briefly thank goodness. When I have most recently (months ago), I know that I’m ‘looping’ as I call it, I’m thinking totally illogically and can stop and wonder why. Very odd sensations - out of control. Most uncomfortable.

Mind you, when I have ‘old tapes’ playing, it is valuable to think of those tapes being ‘not me’ and dumping them in favour of more realistic thoughts. But of course I know that they are me, just my warped thinking, redundant thinking, which is not proved to be correct when I check with external reality. Not the same thing as actually believing that someone else is controlling my thoughts.

About referential delusion: I don’t do this with indirect stuff. I see patterns sometimes where they don’t necessarily exist – conspiracy theories if you like, where I might be practically involved. I think the way out of this is to ask questions: did you direct that comment towards me? I wonder if that would apply to me? – for example. Ha! *laughs* I didn’t see any pattern right here though! Good. Not even paragooda, as was coined here. That’s got to be good. So how come you trawled back to last year guest? Why not a new thread instead? Questions questions...

About narcissists:

--- Quote ---they believe that the "good" is usually changeable and fickle while "bad" is stable and predictable.
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That’s an interesting insight. So if they get a lot of ‘good’, it might go to their head – they might take it as a ‘sign’ that they are entitled to even more? (I’m thinking of my ex-boss here, who took it too far and was fired.)


--- Quote ---They will rage and, generally, behave like lunatics. They will shout incoherently, make absurd accusations, distort facts, pronounce allegations and suspicions.
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That’s my ex-boss!  


--- Quote ---The Personality Disordered also suffer from a cognitive deficit. They are unable to conceptualize, to design effective strategies and to execute them. They dedicate all their attention to the immediate and ignore the future consequences of their actions. In other words, their attention and information processing faculties are distorted, skewed in favor of the here and now, biased on both the intake and the output. Time is dilated for them – the present feels more protracted, "longer" than any future. Immediate facts and actions are judged more relevant and weighted more heavily than any remote aversive conditions.
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Is this proven? This is another insight. This makes so much sense, explains so much, about behaviour that's had me confused.

'Counter-empathy', that’s a cool expression. And it doesn't mean friendly shop/store-people! (sorry)


--- Quote ---An inverted conscience means that the superego idealizes evil. Things that would normally produce guilt, insecurity, and anticipation of punishment in ordinary people produce feelings of self-esteem, security, and self-cohesion in the personality disordered.
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Inverted conscience, I love this terminology. It helps me to understand.


--- Quote ---More frequently, however, when confronted with a self-crisis, they will adopt new names (aliases) for themselves, thus making themselves their own parents.
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My mother does exactly this. This is shocking. But understandable. So when she uses a derivation of my name for herself....oh boy, yuk.

I really found that article interesting and informative, thanks - Guest?

a more select forum:):
best of 3 links to said fascinating site

http://faculty.ncwc.edu/toconnor/428/428lect15.htm

less/more select:):
eslewhere in these forums one will find
narcissist types according to npa theory..of benis
here is a summary of such
Dominant Personality Types ..... in which the traits of aggression (A) and/or narcissism (N) are fully expressed. We obtain:

N ..... Narcissistic personality. "The non-aggressive, non-perfectionist".  "The self-anointed glory seeker".

A ..... Aggressive personality. Pallid, non-smiling, brusque tyrant.  "The arrogant dynamo".

NP ..... Narcissistic - perfectionist personality. Obsessive-compulsive personality. Bovine personality. "Nervous bird" personality. "The quiet  achiever".

NA ..... Narcissistic - aggressive personality. Histrionic,  hypomanic-depressive personality. "The ambitious predator".

PA ..... Perfectionistic - aggressive personality. Austere, sarcastic type.   "Strong silent type". Paranoid personality. "The suspicious manipulator".   "Power behind the Throne".

NPA ..... Narcissistic - perfectionistic - aggressive personality. "The loudmouth". Explosive personality. "The overbearing achiever".

Q. And that's all there is in the way of personality types?

A. Not quite. There exist other major groupings of personality types. Some of them are:

Submissive types ..... in which the trait A is not fully expressed since childhood.

Resigned types ..... in which the trait A is repressed after maturity.

Borderline types ..... in which neither trait A nor N is fully expressed in the individual. Some of these withdrawn individuals are prone to various mental illnesses and may require hospitalization.

An example of a borderline type is the N-P type ..... Narcissistic - perfectionistic borderline personality. This is the borderline or "successful" autistic personality (infantile autism:  Kanner or Asperger syndrome).

Portia:
Apparently 'NPA' with an S score of 15, which I quite ‘like’. I think I was masquerading unsuccessfully as a PA in a previous life. Who’s reading Greek tragedy? I’m ordering Maugham. Many thanks.

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