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Sugarbear

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Confrontation with my mother...LONG
« on: April 04, 2006, 04:51:29 PM »
I haven't heard a thing from my mother in about a month (called to let me know that there might be something wrong with one of my former pets) and before that, she had not spoken to me since the end of January.

She and I had a major falling out over her treating me like slave labor while she had elective knee surgery and she threw tantrums and called me heartless and cold when i expressed anger and resentment over her forcing me to be her caretaker.

She just called me.

She called because she wants me to do her taxes.

My first thought after she asked me, was "WOW - she has some nerve expecting me to agree to this after all that has happened!"

I am not a tax specialist, but for the last couple of years, i used Turbo Tax, and did her taxes as well (for free). I bought the program myself and used it for my/DH's taxes, then went to her house and spent hours inputing all of her crap (she is retired, has stocks and bonds and such) so it isn't easy, but it isn't hard- you just follow along with the program.

My mom refuses to become computer literate;she is only 61 and knows how to do some things, but really just doesn't like computers. She could do the program herself, in spite of that, and she is not poor, so she could afford to go to H&R Block or some other place to prepare her taxes.

But it is easier and cheaper to ask me.

Even tho she has treated me like crap, never aplogized for it, and feels like I am the evil, heartless person in all of this.

I was nice, but reserved.

I told her that I had to think about it and would get back to her.

I thought about the whole mess the rest of my workday, wrote out what I wanted to happen, boundaries, etc. to try to organize my thoughts.

I decided that I was not going to do her taxes. I would give her options if she didn't want to do them by hand, but I was not comfortable doing them.

I didn't want this hanging over me all weekend, (she called me this past Friday) so I decided I would do it when I got home from work. I re-read my notes, and right before I called, I dug out my mini cassette recorder, and put the phone on speaker phone so I would have a record of exactly what was said, and proof that I was NOT having a "tone" or being unreasonable, something I have been accused of in the past by her.

So I called her, told her that I didn't feel comfortable doing her taxes and didn't think that she needed me to do them, explained how easy Turbo Tax is to use, but that getting someone to do them (professional) was probably tax-deductable, and that I just didn't think that involving me at this point was a good idea.

I did NOT have a tone - I listened to the tape afterwards and I actually sounded slightly scared and apologetic...

I said that I didn't think it was time to discuss all of this yet, and that I needed more time.

She was very angry. She said that it was obvious that I did not want to have anything to do with her, that I had had plenty of time to talk to her and that she hadn't asked me for anything since she got out of the hospital in January, when I helped her for a week and two days (notice how she had the amount of time precisely - she probably was logging my time just like a worker).

I told her that no, I was not asked, I was made to help her because of her stubboness and lack of foresight and ignoring the doctor's orders. That the expecting me to do things for her was exactly one of the main reasons for this discord, and that I felt that she didn't think of me as anything more than a tool to be used, and that she is intitled to my help no matter what. That I was not ready to discuss any of this right now, because I was still trying to come to terms with the idea that she would never see me as an adult and treat me with respect and I was at a loss on how to deal with having a relationship with her based on her treating me that way.

She said all of that was phony balony and I have had plenty of time to get over it and that as far as she was concerned, she was tired of trying to reach out to me and getting slapped in the face every time.

I told her that she has never reached out to me, that she only called me because she wanted something from me, and that was not trying to fix anything - it was just the same old song and dance all over again. That she has never apologized for her treatment of me, never admitted that she had one bit of responsibility in all of this and that her expecting me to do work for her was shocking and unrealistic under the circumstances.

She accused me of cutting her off (which isn't true, since I was obviously still taking her calls and being nice to her, just refusing to be her workhorse anymore) and then said that she thought that she would just call up DH's mother, and tell her how awful both of us were and how I had done the same thing to her that had been done to DH's parents. (we cut them off almost 2 years ago; DH's choice and had intensive therapy to deal with it). This was said as a childish attempt to hurt me, since she was the one that I vented to during the in-law troubles, and she said this to hurt me - I ignored it, but listening to the tape later, it chilled me to the bone that something that I shared with her in confidence and trust would be flung into my face as a means to hurt me.

She said that she was through with trying to fix things, and that her asking me to do her taxes was trying to reach out to me and that maybe because I could have come over we would talk and work out everything. She wasn't going to put herself out there anymore, so it was time for her to just move on and stop letting me hurt her and that she was through with me.

She said that I didn't want her in my life, that I didn't want a mother, didn't want a friend and that she believed I didn't know what I wanted.

I told her that I was a 33 year old woman and didn't need a mother, and that she had never treated my like a friend. She got really nasty saying "oh, well maybe one day you figure it out" in a nasty, sarcastic way.

I told her that what I wanted was an adult relationship based on respect, but that she was never going to listen to me. She kept yelling over me, calling me names and refusing to listen and then I realized that I was getting drawn into defending myself again, so I stopped, said that it was pretty obvious that she wasn't going to listen to me, so I wasn't going to fight with her anymore, said "goodbye" and hung up. She was in the middle of saying "And one more thing..." when I hung up on her.

She called back, and I turned off the answering machine. She hung up after about 20 rings, and didn't call back.

I had my DH listen to the tape, and he thought I held my own really well, wasn't nasty, sounded pretty calm and trying to get my point across, but that my mom went on the attack almost immeadiately. He was really impressed that I hung up on her...

I know that she is probably more angry with me than she has ever been. I figure that if there is anything of mine over at her house, she has probably destroyed it, or will throw it out shortly. (I had some odds and ends, that I will probably miss, but will have to chalk up to lost causes now... a broken ring that she kept saying she would take to get fixed, a small dresser that was buried out in her garage under HER junk that I kept forgetting to go get...). I really feel like she is not ever going to hear anything I say. I'm prepared for her to cut me off, but I will still talk to her if she calls, unless it is nasty. I will keep it polite, but I'm not backing down anymore. It is really scary how she is creating her own reality of events and such - things are completely different in her mind; but then she would need to delude herself in order to make herself look like the good guy in all of this.

I am not saying I acted perfectly in all of it, but I have apologized for my bad behavior, my lack of patience, my angry outbursts... I can admit when I have done wrong and try to fix it - something that my mother will never be able to do - even if it costs her a relationship with her daughter.

I hate that she is like this, but I actually feel pretty proud of myself for not caving into her.

I feel sad, but this confrontation was a long time coming, and needed to happen...
 
If only closed minds came with closed mouths.

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Re: Confrontation with my mother...LONG
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2006, 07:37:14 PM »
Sugarbear,

I'm very proud of you for handling this the way you did.  It sounds like you want a relationship between equals and she will never allow such a thing.  She sounds like a desperate person.  Desperate for control.  Desperate for everything to go her direction only.

How smart of you to record it.  Things that you might not be able to take in during the whole confrontation can show up on the tape and reassure you and also remind you of how things really are.  That you didn't imagine it or exagerate in remembering it.

You know, everybody has moments, but we feel guilt or regret and try to make up for it or apologize.  When these feelings and actions are missing, well that shows just how sadly mistaken/ill these people are.

You did a real good job, Sugarbear.  I'm glad your husband can be supportive.  He knows how it is.  It is good to have him in your corner.

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Re: Confrontation with my mother...LONG
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2006, 09:58:28 PM »
Sugarbear,
This was so very very brave of you.
I am very sorry for your mother.
(Not the pity-hook...she has handed you the nails and hammer for every fence you've had to erect...I am just sorry for her as a human being.

She is so angry, and it's NOT AT YOU.

She just doesn't know it. She's made you her target for all the hurts she couldn't or wouldn't face and heal. Or didn't know how.

You've actually done her a great service. Sometimes, this refusing to allow the N-invasion to continue actually turns the tide of a war. When one person won't play soldier any more, eventually there's nobody there to fight.

If she wants to or can learn, at all, if some small form of hunger for you comes again, it might change shape a little in future.

What a giant stride into a healthy future you just took.

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Re: Confrontation with my mother...LONG
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2006, 12:25:37 AM »
Sugarbear,
You were very strong and did the right thing. You are an inspiration!!!
Take care and feel secure in the knowledge that you are on the right track!
Love, Beth
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Re: Confrontation with my mother...LONG
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2006, 08:43:07 AM »
(((Sugarbear)))

You handled yourself with such dignity, while you took care of yourself. Amazing!
Recording the conversation was brilliant. I'm sure that will be a great tool of strength for you.

Sending you wishes of peace and joy that you so much deserve! seasons
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Re: Confrontation with my mother...LONG
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2006, 11:40:41 AM »
I'm very proud of you for handling this the way you did. It sounds like you want a relationship between equals and she will never allow such a thing. She sounds like a desperate person. Desperate for control. Desperate for everything to go her direction only.

How smart of you to record it.  Things that you might not be able to take in during the whole confrontation can show up on the tape and reassure you and also remind you of how things really are.  That you didn't imagine it or exagerate in remembering it.

Pennyplant - thank you. You are so right - she is desperate for control...I know that my mom is clinging to me because her life has not turned out the way she wanted - and she is scared, alone, bitter and sick. I have tried to maintain a relationship with her despite all of her anger and demands because I knew the reasons she was acting the way she was. It just came to me in the last year that I am sacrificing my life, my marriage and my happiness to be her "everything" and that I wasn't willing to do that any more.

Recording the conversation originally came to me when I realized how she twists everything, even in the conversation as it is taking place, (saying that what she just said was actually something else, denying saying something that she actually said two minutes ago) and I knew that I will be accused of calling her names, taking a "tone" and not making any sense. She was actually the one with the combative tone, spewing anger and refusing to listen to me.

Thank you for your kind words...


Sugarbear, this was brilliant. YOU were brilliant.

You'll probably be helped if you keep making tapes for awhile, and don't record over them or throw them away... it will be much easier for you to know, at first, who the real abuser is if you have the conversations available for playback. Abusers are so good at twisting and distorting, they'll have you doubting yourself, they can argue that night is day and have you believing the room is actually darkening while they speak.

Brace yourself, you may discover some pretty horrible things. After the passing of my narcissistic parent I discovered that she had been lying about me - viciously of course - and distorting almost everything I said or did for most of my life, literally from the time I was a schoolchild, while at the same time she did everything in her power to drain me dry financially and emotionally. You may make similar discoveries, so brace yourself. Thank God you have a supportive and objective husband who can see what's going on.

Stormchild - I don't think I could ever get rid of this tape, it was so helpful for me to play it back and realize that most of what she accused me of were things that SHE WAS DOING HERSELF. I always ended up thinking that maybe she was right, doubting myself and thinking that maybe I was being mean, sarcastic, etc... But a tape can't lie.

Your story makes me wonder about the extent that my mother has deluded herself... whether she has lied to me and about me for all of these years...

I apprieicate the support - that means so much to me...

Sugarbear,
This was so very very brave of you.
I am very sorry for your mother.
(Not the pity-hook...she has handed you the nails and hammer for every fence you've had to erect...I am just sorry for her as a human being.

She is so angry, and it's NOT AT YOU.

She just doesn't know it. She's made you her target for all the hurts she couldn't or wouldn't face and heal. Or didn't know how.

You've actually done her a great service. Sometimes, this refusing to allow the N-invasion to continue actually turns the tide of a war. When one person won't play soldier any more, eventually there's nobody there to fight.


Hops - I'm sorry for her too. I love her, I just can't talk to her or be around her anymore. That hurts.

You are so right; I am the scapegoat because I am not fixing everything anymore. If I am not 100% with her, then I am against her. She has made me the embodiment of her anger, frustration, and failures.

She thinks she is smarter than most counselors, so she refuses to go anymore. She holds grudges - she hasn't spoken to her brother or sisters for over 6 years, and they are the only family she has besides me and my sister. She has cut off anyone that has ever angered her (justly or unjustly) and I resigned to the idea that she will never forgive me.

But you know what?
I'm okay with that. I didn't do anything that needs her forgiveness. I have made my peace with my actions, and tried to explain how her actions are hurtful and too controlling, and if she is happy with holding onto her rightous anger instead of having a relationship, then that is her choice and she will have to live with it.

Thanks, Hopalong

sugarbear,
you are really brave and courageous.  Your words were encouraging and kind.  thank you for sharing all this, your scenario sounds exactly like me and my mother.  Also, we are the same age (well, almost, I guess I'm 34 now).  I especially liked this:

I'm 33, I don't need a mother...you've never even been a good friend to me.

SO TRUE.  

hugs to you,
bean

Hugs to you, too bean.

I am glad that something I might have said made an impact on someone in my same situation! I'm just fumbling through all of this...

Sugarbear,
You were very strong and did the right thing. You are an inspiration!!!
Take care and feel secure in the knowledge that you are on the right track!
Love, Beth

Thanks, Beth! that means so much to me!!

I've experienced some pretty intense struggles, confrontations, arguments with my mom. I know how it feels in the aftermath.
I have chosen to stay in contact and be supportive of my aging Mom because in my particular situation I can't put together an alternative I can live with. It's not easy. There are days when I think there can't be any more disappointing revelations but they keep coming. I have accepted that lying for no obvious reason is regular behavior for her. Then I thought, Hey, she's lied to you all your life! Then I thought, surely not about everything and everybody! My conclusion is that she did. The conditioning of the child to believe the lying parent starts in the cradle. I believed the things she told me.

In recent years, I 'got it' that she lied to me, but it was not until the last few months that I had to accept that she had made up and told malicious lies about various ones in our family and that I'd believed the lies. Somehow I'm able to look at them (the other people) through a new lens and accept them based only on what I know to be true about them without letting past lies color my perception and interraction with them.

Now what was my point or question? I think it is this...Where lying is concerned, did your Mom come from the same mold as mine?

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I never thought of my mom as an out-and-out liar; she just had a different way of remember events, conversations, etc... It is only in the last couple of years that it has dawned on my that this is lying. Lying to those around her, lying to herself - all to make herself look like the good guy.

I admire you for staying there for your mother even in the face of her treatment of you. That is a compassionate but difficult path to  follow.

(((Sugarbear)))

You handled yourself with such dignity, while you took care of yourself. Amazing!
Recording the conversation was brilliant. I'm sure that will be a great tool of strength for you.

Sending you wishes of peace and joy that you so much deserve! seasons

Thank you!!
I don't feel dignified and brilliant, more like slightly nauseous and flustered... but I feel proud of myself too. I haven't felt like that in a long time.

My DH has been so supportive and understanding, even tho our marriage suffered over the last couple of years while I was still trying to appease my mother's escalating demands...

I really love the fact that I am not critisized here; there is only understanding and support.
Thank you all so much for that...
If only closed minds came with closed mouths.

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Re: Confrontation with my mother...LONG
« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2006, 11:58:39 AM »
Sugarbear:

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I didn't do anything that needs her forgiveness. I have made my peace with my actions, and tried to explain how her actions are hurtful and too controlling, and if she is happy with holding onto her rightous anger instead of having a relationship, then that is her choice and she will have to live with it.


BRAVOOOOOO!

Hops
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