Author Topic: Daughter's Love  (Read 8100 times)

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Re: Daughter's Love
« Reply #45 on: July 09, 2006, 06:17:25 PM »
Well, if he nearly herniated himself trying to find out if you had a wedding ring on you probably don't have to worry too much about your flirting skills   :wink:

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But I'm ON MY WAY to indifference! I actually felt good that I handled myself as I did, no grinning, no fake pleasure. I was not glad to see him and I didn't act like I was. Sounds supid, but that's an achievement for me

Doesn't sound stupid to me Hops

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I tell you, sugah, that's raht thick down heah!

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« Reply #46 on: July 10, 2006, 05:40:27 PM »
Hoppy,
you go girl, with your indifferent self!  Indifference is the destination.  And you have arrived.

Mud - (Yes I have been supping with the pigs.  My two little piglets.)  I have so little time, I cannot devote it to coming up on the board very much, though I would like to.    I see so many wonderful new voices up here, as well as old ones, so far I don't seem to be needed!  Still very grateful this place exists, and for the people whose screen names and hearts I have come to know.  And for the shout outs now and then, that let me know I have not been forgotten.  (snif!)
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Re: Daughter's Love
« Reply #47 on: July 10, 2006, 07:45:10 PM »
Heck no, you're not forgotten.
I've been missing you, Plucky. (But you never felt GONE gone.)

I'm not that indifferent!

You stay well and the piglets  :) too...
there'll be another time when you have time to chat.

(((Plucky))))

Hops

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« Reply #48 on: July 14, 2006, 10:49:12 AM »
Hi,
Ordered a book on dealing with a difficult adult daughter. The author's purpose is to be an advocate for mothers, because she feels that in the last 2 generations, there's been a huge loss of respect...and an enormous amount of blame on mothers. (Not abusive, neglectful or addicted mothers...she specifically says her book is not aimed at them). Just mothers in general, who make a lot of mistakes but who can be devastated by an adult daughter who is either dependent, disastisfied, or distant. She feels the blame-your-mother syndrome began with psychoanalysis, permeates self-help literature, and she found in her decades as a T that almost every daughter indicated that at its core, everything in her life that went wrong was her mother's fault. (Can't quite hear myself because of the pot banging the kettle in between my ears.) The author maintains that this isn't true or fair. Anyway, I mainly bought the book because it promised a method for reconnecting.

It's excruciating reading. I realize that although she WAS dependent and dissatisfied, what my daughter is now is distant. When she emailed me from Europe in a fury saying she wanted "only a superficial relationship" with me, I was blindsided. I knew I had offended her, but I had explained myself as best I could and sincerely asked her forgiveness. She told me when she was here that she's not like me, she's very slow to forgive. And then I affronted her again.

I have done my job of leaving her alone, and I was delighted when she did send pictures. But as time goes on...I have such a sick-at-heart feeling that I've been permanently discarded, and maybe I'm just too witless to see it yet.

It may not be true. I am feeling rejection in a lot of areas in my life, and fear, and isolation. (Her stepmother tossed me aside after a 6-year friendship--a bond formed at my D's father's deathbed. That upset my D, so last week I'd wrote a nice email to the stepmom, telling her I'd learned from her withdrawal, and wasn't asking for daily contact at all, but I wondered if we could lunch. I was just going to suggest once or twice a year but didn't get the chance. And particularly for the sake of my D, so the tenuous feeling of family she had with us being friendly wouldn't be destroyed. Anyway, she wrote back saying, "I'd rather not." I don't think she knew I want it most for my D, who was truly upset.

The common thread in both these rejections is that I am emotive, sentimental, affectionate, and...I don't want to type this...needy. Both my D and her stepMom are not emotive and don't like feeling vulnerable. Anyway, I'm much more conscious of not being clingy with friends, now that I realize some people may just feel overwhelmed by that.

I miss my D so much and the last time I heard her voice, it was dripping with dislike.

That's painful. I know what's wrong with being enmeshed and I don't want that back ever. I am just grieving. I feel as though D won't give me a chance to co-create a middle ground. I was going to absolutely leave her alone for as long as it takes, but the author of this book says no, keep calling (just once a week) and sending the occasional card. With no requests or drama, just saying hi, and I love you, and would love to hear from you.

I'm all over the emotional map here. I know my office move, which was back into the space I was in when I was first stunned by the news my job was disappearing soon...has triggered some of this. (It's a feeling like, if you can find all this money for research, aren't I valuable enough to find enough funds to help me survive? Especially when I'm doing such good work.)

Anyway, rough day.
Good news...my brother leaves today and his visit, although tiring (for me and NMom too, who startled us with a snarky remark about her "routine being all messed up")--went peacefully. I am glad about that.

love to all,
A Sad Hops


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« Reply #49 on: July 14, 2006, 11:04:28 AM »
(((((((((((Hoppy))))))))))))

You are an amazing person… do you know that?  I read this in awe… why?  Because of the effort you are prepared to go to.  How many Mum’s would go to the effort of ordering a book and trying to learn to be different?  I don’t think there would be many.

You may be sad at the moment, and you may be grieving for the relationship you had with your daughter, however you have changed with the way you are with her and she sent you photos.  Just this little thing, for me, shows that what you are doing is working and over time I do feel this part will improve.  Baby steps remember….

We’ve had a lady here who was made redundant… she left last Monday after working here for 11 years.  She said to me, I can’t take this personally, this is about the role, not a reflection on me.  She is in her late forties. 

Take care amazing Hoppy

Love H&H xx
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« Reply #50 on: July 14, 2006, 06:26:17 PM »
Hi H&H,
You are so kind to me, and thank you so much for the baby steps reminder.
(I do tend to panic.)

If I'm made redundant I won't take it personally for too long...but I sure don't want to be jobless!
This weekend I'm just going to dig in and send out a blizzard of letters and calls.

Maybe even a mass email to every single person I know in town. Hmm! Hadn't thought of that before, but I think I will! I have very impressive letters of reference I could attach...along with my resume.

Does that sound insane, or creative? (I have only 10 weeks left before all the insurance, etc., vanishes. So it's time for ... thinking outside the box). Do any of you who hire people think that would be a ghastly thing to do?

Opinions? I'd be grateful!

Hops
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« Reply #51 on: July 14, 2006, 06:38:05 PM »
Well, I'm not much of a job searcher and have no hiring experience.  But I have heard many, many times that the best jobs are found by word of mouth.  I do think you should tell every single person you know that you are looking and be prepared to tell them what you are good at.  When I was looking I mentioned it to some acquaintances.  One of them offered me a job on the spot as a substitute teacher because I have a degree.  I don't want to be a teacher so I declined, also thinking it had to be a rough job if she would make such as offer on the spot.  But she was serious so if I had been of that temperament, I'd have had a job that night.  Another was a friend from school and she asked me what my experience was.  I was not prepared for a serious inquiry like that, not really in self-confident job search mode, and pretty well fumbled the answer.  If I'd been on the ball I think she might have at least interviewed me.  I have also lost job opportunities to people who were hired because they knew somebody and stepped ahead of me in line.  So, that word of mouth thing rings true to me.  And at this point you've got nothing to lose!!!

Go for it, Hopsy!

Pennyplant
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Re: Daughter's Love
« Reply #52 on: July 14, 2006, 09:14:40 PM »
Thanks, Penny.
I'm going to do it!!!!

I appreciate the moral support very much.

Hops
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Re: Daughter's Love
« Reply #53 on: July 17, 2006, 10:35:30 AM »
Hiya (((((Hoppy))))

Yes definitely.... Did you know that 80% of jobs aren't advertised?  I read that at the weekend.  I have to say it does go on "who you know" more than "what you know" if that makes any sense though what you know can back up who you know.

When I look at what is happening with our business, I try and look at it this way.... to go through an agency means we're hit with a 20% (sometimes 25%) cost of the years salary.  To hire some people this can hit us with a cost of £30,000.  However where we work we have a recruitment bounty, so our employees can get up to £3000.  And if it's an external candidate who has applied to us directly through the website there are no costs.  No external costs means if you aren't happy with the salary offered, it's your bargaining tool!

So my advice would be talk to who you are working with.  Do you work with any external customers/suppliers?  These people will have worked with you previously, know your work is good and know your value.  If you are talking to customers/suppliers anyway, sometimes all you have to do is say, I'm not sure if you're aware, but this role will be no more shortly... do you know of any other positions going?  Do you know of any organisations who will be looking to recruit shortly?

Go for it girl!

Love H&H xx
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To make you smilie while ur feeling blue
To make u happy if you're sad
To let u know, life ain't so bad
Now I've given a hug to u
Somehow, I feel better too!
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So pass one on & show u care

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Re: Daughter's Love
« Reply #54 on: July 17, 2006, 09:19:06 PM »
You're so right H&H...thanks for the boost.

The job I sent in an appl. for today was referred to me by a friend who's just retired from the Foreign Service (I went to school with his wife). Anyway, she and I had lunch and she must've told him how concerned I am.

Keep your fingers crossed for this one! No idea what teh competition is, but I'm sure...huge.

Meanwhile, I still have heard no word from my D since she sent the photos...mostly hanging in there and not despairing. Not pestering her with messages. Sent her one about a possible summer plan.

Siggghhh. I hate being loathed and not forgiven. Jeez.

Hops
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« Reply #55 on: July 17, 2006, 09:28:39 PM »
Good grief, Hops... you win the prize for reading between the non-existant lines  :o    Your daughter doesn't loathe you or harbor unforgiveness toward you... she's just a bratty 20-something. I have one of those, as well, and this too shall pass!

With love,
Hope