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phoenix:
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rosencrantz:

--- Quote ---...and when my narcissist spends time with our boys (on his terms, of course) I observe their joy and I look for ways to preserve that
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Yes, I wanted to comment on that sentence, too.  Perhaps you are only noticing the brief moments of 'joy'.  How does it really stack up - what proportion of joy to the proportion of being ignored, manipulated, used to meet their father's (childish) emotional needs???

If so, this will teach them to feel miserable in their relationships and stick it out for the odd nugget of 'joy'.  It will teach them to ignore their own needs in order to meet the needs of others (who should know better).  It will teach them to show 'joy' to meet the needs of their parents rather than truly feel joy...

Joy now doesn't mean a healthy happy life as an adult.

I wish you good luck and a brave heart in making your decisions.
R

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