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Certain Hope

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Thought Reform used by Cults and N's alike?
« on: August 02, 2006, 10:50:21 AM »
Hi,

  I've been thinking about the similarities between N's tactics and those of a cult. So many undesireable thought patterns get established early on when parental figures are N or have strong N-ish tendancies, it seems that the deprogramming needed by those coming out of cults would be much akin to that needed by those of us coming out of N homes/ relationships. In exploring these methods of deprogramming, I began with a list of Dr. Margaret Singer's 6 Conditions for Thought Reform, posted below. These seem to directly correspond to many of the same conditions presented by an abuser in a domestic setting.

Hope

These conditions create the atmosphere needed to put a thought reform system into place:

Keep the person unaware of what is going on and how she or he is being changed a step at a time.
Potential new members are led, step by step, through a behavioral-change program without being aware of the final agenda or full content of the group. The goal may be to make them deployable agents for the leadership, to get them to buy more courses, or get them to make a deeper commitment, depending on the leader's aim and desires.


Control the person's social and/or physical environment; especially control the person's time.
Through various methods, newer members are kept busy and led to think about the group and its content during as much of their waking time as possible.


Systematically create a sense of powerlessness in the person.
This is accomplished by getting members away from the normal social support group for a period of time and into an environment where the majority of people are already group members.

The members serve as models of the attitudes and behaviors of the group and speak an in- group language.

Strip members of their main occupation (quit jobs, drop out of school) or source of income or have them turn over their income (or the majority of) to the group.

Once stripped of your usual support network, your confidence in your own perception erodes.

As your sense of powerlessness increases, your good judgment and understanding of the world are diminished. (ordinary view of reality is destabilized)

As group attacks your previous worldview, it causes you distress and inner confusion; yet you are not allowed to speak about this confusion or object to it -- leadership suppresses questions and counters resistance.

This process is speeded up if you are kept tired -- the cult will keep you constantly busy.


Manipulate a system of rewards, punishments and experiences in such a way as to inhibit behavior that reflects the person's former social identity.
Manipulation of experiences can be accomplished through various methods of trance induction, including leaders using such techniques as paced speaking patterns, guided imagery, chanting, long prayer sessions or lectures, and lengthy meditation sessions.

Your old beliefs and patterns of behavior are defined as irrelevant or evil. Leadership wants these old patterns eliminated, so the member must suppress them

Members get positive feedback for conforming to the group's beliefs and behaviors and negative feedback for old beliefs and behavior.


Manipulate a system of rewards, punishments, and experiences in order to promote learning the group's ideology or belief system and group-approved behaviors.
Good behavior, demonstrating an understanding and acceptance of the group's beliefs, and compliance are rewarded while questioning, expressing doubts or criticizing are met with disapproval, redress and possible rejection. If one expresses a question, he or she is made to feel that there is something inherently wrong with them to be questioning.

The only feedback members get is from the group, they become totally dependent upon the rewards given by those who control the environment.

Members must learn varying amounts of new information about the beliefs of the group and the behaviors expected by the group.

The more complicated and filled with contradictions the new system in and the more difficult it is to learn, the more effective the conversion process will be.

Esteem and affection from peers is very important to new recruits. Approval comes from having the new member's behaviors and thought patterns conform to the models (members). Members' relationship with peers is threatened whenever they fail to learn or display new behaviors. Over time, the easy solution to the insecurity generated by the difficulties of learning the new system is to inhibit any display of doubts -- new recruits simply acquiesce, affirm and act as if they do understand and accept the new ideology.


Put forth a closed system of logic and an authoritarian structure that permits no feedback and refuses to be modified except by leadership approval or executive order.
The group has a top-down, pyramid structure. The leaders must have verbal ways of never losing.

Members are not allowed to question, criticize or complain -- if they do, the leaders allege that the member is defective -- not the organization or the beliefs.

The individual is always wrong -- the system, its leaders and its belief are always right.

Conversion or remolding of the individual member happens in a closed system. As members learn to modify their behavior in order to be accepted in this closed system, they change -- begin to speak the language -- which serves to further isolate them from their prior beliefs and behaviors.



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Re: Thought Reform used by Cults and N's alike?
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2006, 02:11:45 PM »
Hi hope,

I see all the elements of my FOO in your description of a cult.  I still have recurring nightmares about this: living with my parents, and the confusion, the constant state of confusion is I think the defining factor.

This quote especially struck me as kind of funny cause my Mom was quite neurotic about the house, a perfectionist and OCD, so we were always busy cleaning it (there were lists, constant lists), and couldn't question that even:

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This process is speeded up if you are kept tired -- the cult will keep you constantly busy.


pb

penelope

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Re: Thought Reform used by Cults and N's alike?
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2006, 04:45:32 PM »
yuck moon

(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((moon and her daughters and Mr. Moon))))))))))))))))))))))))))

I am sorry about the money making power hungry soul grabbing family members you describe.  They don't understand what's really important, how sad.

pb

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Re: Thought Reform used by Cults and N's alike?
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2006, 05:57:20 PM »
Hi Pb,

   Did the confusion result from never knowing what was expected of you? Like when there's no constancy, but the rules keep changing... or there's a different set of rules for each person in the family... that sort of confusion?

I can remember always wondering about so many things, but there never were any answers. Like... why did my mother not much care for this person or that, and why did Dad usually go to visit my grandma (his mom) alone, and why, why, why....  ??  Seemed like everything was forbidden territory and so I was left to wonder alone. There have always been loads of perfectionist, ocd characteristics in my mother, as well. I guess that my own struggle with similar issues has given me both empathy and sympathy for her perceived need to control her environment. Mostly I just think she's not a very happy, contented person. But yeah, both my home growing up and my church/school setting were quite cultlike... isolationist, perfectionist, always watch your p's and q's-ist  :P... and never ask why. One thing with my own children... although my answers have often been less than tactful and diplomatic, I let my feelings be known and try to never pretend like I'm so far above and beyond their world and their emotions that they couldn't possibly understand... which is basically the feeling I always got from my own mother. Above, beyond, and totally out of this world. Hugs, Pb.

Dear Moon,  I'm so glad for you that you're caught up in the real stuff of real life... the stuff that matters.

With love,
Hope

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Re: Thought Reform used by Cults and N's alike?
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2006, 06:42:32 PM »
PB:
Confusion is reallly such a powerful term. It really fits for me too. Why should a child feel so terribly confused, if adults had created a trustworthy emotional center in the family? Very sad when they didn't &/or couldn't. I so agree, that confusion is a huge part of the pain.

I think children are innately brilliant. So it takes a lot of murkiness, contradiction, hypocrisy, much less abuse...to get that muddled up.

Never mind, though. Clouded streams can flow clear again. You've just been in there heaving heavy debris out of the way. One day you'll stand on the bank and see what your hard effort has done.

Hope:
Aren't the Ps & Qs exhausting sometimes? I know when I stepped (or fell) out of the perfection bubble, I was amazed to discover there was a whole alphabet.

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Re: Thought Reform used by Cults and N's alike?
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2006, 09:34:41 PM »
Aren't the Ps & Qs exhausting sometimes? I know when I stepped (or fell) out of the perfection bubble, I was amazed to discover there was a whole alphabet.

I spent most of my childhood dotting my Tees and crossing my eyes... ;-)
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