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lynn

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« on: February 12, 2004, 08:23:09 PM »
Hello friends,

This is my first post.  

Not too long ago, I happened upon an article about Narciccism.  I read it in absolute horror.  My heart beat like crazy, I could barely breath.  I was reading the story of my life.  I felt scared, sad, angry, guilty all at once.

I have been married for 23 years to my N husband.  I don't have to explain the confusion and manipulation to you.  Presently, he is out of town.  He arrives back on Sunday.  In his absence, I have met with an attorney and made a plan to divorce him.  

He's not going to be happy.  Please... for those of you who have been through this... what advice can you provide on how to handle this.  Should I talk to him directly?  Should I take my teenage daughter to a hotel and send a clear message that I am serious?  What has worked for you?

Wish me luck and strength.

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« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2004, 10:51:26 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2004, 11:04:11 PM »
Hi Lynn,
Be careful with your joint finances and property. These are great weapons for a narcissist if they manage to get control over these things. Don't think that he'll be thinking of your best interests, he'll only be thinking about what's best for him. Mine went into nasty mode when he finally realised that I was serious and he couldn't entice me back with the same old lies (I love you, you're the only one, etc.). Luckily, I'm still living in the family home (our largest asset) so I still have some control. He refuses to respond to my lawyer's requests to settle (this has been going on for a year) and I know his lawyer is also having a hard time getting him to do what he ought to be doing. It becomes then a long drawn out process through the courts here in Australia.
What has helped me also is that I made a decision to not talk to my ex. This was learnt after many conversations with him and thinking that we were moving forward and resolving things and then he would do something completely contrary to what we had 'agreed'. I now only communicate with him through email, that way I have it in writing.
I wish you all the luck in the world and you'll certainly need all the strength you can get.
Karin.

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« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2004, 11:47:36 PM »
*put your affairs in order, as much as you can. Simplify your life.

*seek counselling & read about self-esteem and abuse issues.
( Patricia Evans The verbally abusive relationship and Lundy Bancroft Why Does He do That: inside the minds of angry or controlling men---- are the best basic books in this field )

*have a plan for how you will support yourselves ( practically/ emotionally/ financially ) if your n. refuses to cooperate.
Don't be worried if you are looking at a longer term plan of action than you originally thought.
Be patient, but work towards it, even when it means retraining or waiting for a court deadline.

*Be the stability for your child; don't worry unduly about her father's narcissistic influence: she'll learn and adapt with your support.
Don't listen to those without kids of their own who have an idealised notion of child-rearing.
Your kid will be fine so long as you love her and listen to her.
No family is ever perfect.

*Don't listen to the 101 negative voices you will hear in life during your next few years journey. In fact, filter out everything which is just critical and unhelpful. You will become a master at identifying useful information, and discarding the rest. No matter how close to you, if someone makes you unhappy or uneasy you cannot allow them to influence your life.

* support others on their journey: here you will learn as much if not more than anywhere else, and your life will be enhanced.

GOOD LUCK, Much LOVE from someone who has been there.

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« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2004, 09:59:13 AM »
lynn,

These kinds of separations are best done with advance planning. I don't know whether you have access to the finances, whether you will lose everything if you move to a hotel. You need to consult with your attorney asap.

bunny

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« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2004, 07:27:10 PM »
Thank you for your support.  In the last couple of days, I went to two different attorneys and got two pretty different answers.  One advised me to move out of the house and the other one said moving out puts a lot of financial issues at risk.  One said move money into your own account, the other one said that moving money really pisses people off and you end up putting gas on the fire right at the start... better to play it slow and low.

Since my original post, N husband has telephone several times.  Guess what, he loves me and wants to make everything better.  I think that if I stay focused and strong, I can give myself more time to get a plan in place.  

An observation of myself:  Since reading and learning more about Narciccism, I hear him in an entirely different way.

I had hoped to get divorce papers filed as soon as he gets back into town.  I am thinking now that I had better get my plan in place. My fear is how I am going to act around him.  What to say.  I definitely don't want to send him an "everythings okay" message.  

Sometimes I feel really confident and other moments I am super scared.

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« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2004, 04:52:46 AM »
Probably the most important thing is not to challenge or confront him in any way.  

First of all, it alerts him to what you are doing and he will manipulate you (and everyone around you) in every way possible to get the outcome he wants.  If you think that being 'honest' is important, well, I'd suggest it should no longer be a priority.  Think about what you want to achieve and then work on how to get there and don't expect him to help you achieve it.  Beyond that it really doesn't matter what 'messages' you give him.  I'd anticipate that you'd be safer if you DO give him an 'everything's OK' message.

Secondly, it will push his buttons - and only you will know what kind of behaviour that will produce.

As far as the solicitors are concerned - there's what works 'legally' and there's what works taking into account the 'human' factor.  You need someone who understands how narcissists tick.  I'd take a guess that slow and low is the right way to go.

They say that it takes a woman seven times to go through the process of 'I'm leaving, OK I'll stay cos I feel guilty and anyway you've promised you'll change' until she finally gets the message that promised changes don't get followed through in the long term.  

If you feel yourself wavering, just remember that and decide whether you really want to go through this process time and again - cos it gets harder every time.

Good luck
R
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thoughts, it is sometimes necessary to take the enemy into account" Sir Winston Churchill

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« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2004, 06:06:54 AM »
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« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2004, 10:12:27 AM »
Thank you for your replies.  Your input is extremely valuable.  You asked for more of my background.  I am trying to write it down and I'm having a hard time.  As I reread my words below, they seem so wooden and they do little to communicate the twisted life I have lived in.   But I would like to share this with you so...

Here's a bit more on my background.  I married N right out of college 23 years ago.  He was a year ahead of me in school and had a job when I graduated so I followed him to another state and we got married.  His work has been a constant issue.  I didn't understand paranoia and personality disorders at the time... Instead, I completely bought into the stories he wove.  He was passionate, upset and convincing about the bad situation at whatever his current job was. And, as the a young woman, I wanted to create my own story of a happy home and a happy marriage and an exiciting life. So I would compromise, give up my opinion. We moved frequently as he ran from one job to another. We criss crossed the country.  It was difficult for me because I was constantly trying to estabalish roots and friendships.  He's the type that is a great achiever, so along the way he gets promoted, makes more money, gets greater respect... in effect becomes more powerful.  

I have struggled unknowingly with my husband for years.  I can not remember a time when I felt good about my relationship.  N wove a grandiose story of happiness and success and fulfillement achieved through hard work that he would give to me.   And he did work hard and long hours and many jobs.  I live in a fairly nice house, drive a nice car, have financial investments with N.  We are certainly not rich, but we have do have some assets. We have two kids, my son is 19 and in college, my daughter is 16 and living at home.  

N is not controlling of the things I do within my day - as long as they don't interfeir with his plans.   In fact, he could care less what I do.  So I have lived a separate life during the days.  I worked most of my life.  I raised the kids and have great memories of my times when it was just the kids and me.

In terms of my relationship with N. I do not believe that N can feel empathy of any kind, in any way.  I have been voiceless in my relationship for so many years that it is difficult for me to speak at all.  My words have been twisted and distorted.  I have questioned and compromised my opinions and so much more.  I have felt frightened of so many things in the world and that fear translated in me staying with this man who told a great story. At this moment, in writing this post, I don't know what to say except that what I read about the Ns in your life is exactly what my life is.  You have validated my opinion and existence in a way that I have not felt if years.  The understanding that I feel from this anonomous, internet message board is greater than anything I have felt from my real, live relationship ever.

I do not love this man.  I am years away from any infatuation with his stories.  I have grieved the loss of my relationship for a long time now.  I hate him for what he's done to me.  I hate myself for my participation.  Yet, I don't have any malicious, vengeful feelings.  I simply want to get away.  Start anew.  I don't have any interest in punishing him.  

I think that I need to play this immediate situation out right... I thought that from what I read about Ns, if one lets their N know that the relationship is absolutely, completely over and that the support role is no longer available in any way... that the N  will likely move on to someone or something else.  That would be the best outcome.  What are the chances....

That why I want to be "honest".  Not so much out of an obligation to him... as it is an obligation to me.

That's the best I can do right now.  This writing may not capture the nature of my life, but it does give you some background information.

My love and strenght to all of you in a similar situation.

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« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2004, 11:36:47 AM »
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I think that I need to play this immediate situation out right... I thought that from what I read about Ns, if one lets their N know that the relationship is absolutely, completely over and that the support role is no longer available in any way... that the N  will likely move on to someone or something else.  That would be the best outcome.  What are the chances....


Lynn,

Don't bank on this. Some Ns will do whatever it takes to destroy the life of someone who injured them. Be honest with yourself - assess whether he has any retaliatory or sneaky aspects to him. If he does, you must protect yourself by not being totally honest with him. That could destroy you financially.

bunny

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« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2004, 12:07:48 PM »
bunny,

yes he can retaliate.  yes he can weave justification for any action he takes.  yes he can be mean.  yes he is driven by money.  

My goal is to come out of this in a reasonable, not accessive financial position.  I worry about the emotional cost.  

The thing is, I cannot let my worry stop me from taking this step.  And if the way that I do it is to blunder through... then as long as I keep moving, keep my forward momentum, at the very least I will end up in a different place.

I'd like to make a good plan, I have taken steps.... I met with attorneys.  I photographed everything in our house.  I copied tax returns and other important documents.  A while back, I insisted that I be quit claimed onto our real estate, so that now we are joint tenants.  

I don't know what other things to do.  And I feel more confident of my decision than ever before.  rosencranz said it takes a woman 7 tries to leave her husband.  I am easily beyond that number.  And most of all, I want to succeed with this attempt.  

It is Saturday.  Tomorrow is Sunday and my anxiety is rising.  Because it is presidents weekend, my daughter made plans to go visit her brother at college for part of the weekend.  She'll be gone when N comes home.  Good news is that she won't have to be here for an arguement.  Bad news is that I will be alone in my home with him.

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« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2004, 01:10:27 PM »
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« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2004, 03:58:13 PM »
Lynn,

Is there any way you can avoid putting yourself in a situation where you are alone in the house, arguing with your husband about a divorce? I think you may want to plan it so that you are in a safe situation, where he can't do much to you, and where he can't argue or keep talking to you. Just my view based on your description of him.

bunny

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« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2004, 07:52:11 PM »
Hi Lynn,
Everything you have written I can identify with, sounds like we married the same man, did and thought the same things.
It's hard to know how he's going to react. (We'll all be thinking about you). When I found out that mine had cheated for the second time (that I knew about!) I said calmly, 'That's it, divorce". It was actually a relief to say it after so long and we had a few pleasant hours that afternoon; no stress, no fights. We even joked with another. He left the next day to work in another country. But then it got progressively worse as he tried to get back 'in' again. He arrived on the doorstep three months later on his break with his suitcase and the little boy lost look on his face. It didn't work.
A while later he started moving the money around and that's when I went to the lawyer and he's still behaving like a little boy.
Sounds like you've got things pretty well organised. Trust your instincts.
Karin.