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reallyME

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not religion, but relationship
« on: August 21, 2006, 01:38:57 PM »
I feel so sad sometimes that people compare "christianity" to RELIGIONS.

I have no religion.  I have a relationship with Jesus.  I would not want to be in any type of religion, nor do I honor any other, though I love the people.  Religion is about man's ideas.  Relationship is Holy Spirit talking to me and me talking to Him, having an actual conversation and following His direction.  So why would anyone want a religion when they can deal with an actual interacting Being.  I feel sad for those who can't understand the difference and loop it all together.

~Laura

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Re: not religion, but relationship
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2006, 02:28:37 PM »
Hi RM,
I'm sorry you feel sad but I want to tell you how much I appreciate the gentleness of your post. (I can hear you even better that way.)  :)  And I believe you, that it fulfills you.

Hops

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Re: not religion, but relationship
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2006, 11:18:10 PM »
Dear Laura,

  I feel sad about it too, but you know what brings a person to saving faith... and it's out of our hands. All we can do is walk the talk. I see you doing that and gaining in strength and that is a wonderful, blessed thing to watch.

Love,
Hope

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« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2006, 11:43:05 PM »
Yes, what Jac said, too.

Would be pretty hard for a person to envision a loving heavenly Father if they've never had a loving father in the flesh to set the example.

Hope

reallyME

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Re: not religion, but relationship
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2006, 11:46:42 PM »
awww thank you, Hops and Hope

reallyME

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Re: not religion, but relationship
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2006, 01:05:11 AM »
Jac,

I sooooooo hear what you are saying.  I have met and counseled a few people who were exactly where you described..some, even raped by their fathers, and, so had a hard time seeing that even a heavenly Father could be loving.

Until Holy Spirit can heal the wounds in those people, you are right...they have a really difficult time understanding Jesus or God or any type of personal intimate relationship with Him.  After the inner healing takes place, often times people are willing to yield their lives to the One who cares for and loves them, though.

I'm heading to sleep now.  Mammogram tomorrow, so please pray and remember me.

~Laura

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Re: not religion, but relationship
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2006, 03:53:03 AM »
Laura , I will be praying for you and you ask to be remembered what  do ya think Laura....................................

After I understood n dad  ,the spirit of my faith filled me.Because their was room for

this  spirit of healing .I am so grateful   to be healed from this pain .It still is a struggle but not as bad as before.

I believe everyone has freewill to find their way .I am so happy to have found mine.

I make no judgment on others views of the world and respect other views.

Love and hugs I will pray for you Laura

moon
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reallyME

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Re: not religion, but relationship
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2006, 11:25:42 AM »
Moon,

Could you say what you did about your dad in another way?  I could not understand what you posted about the spirit of healing in his room or whatever  ???  Please help me to understand what you mean.

~Laura

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Re: not religion, but relationship
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2006, 12:20:00 PM »
Laura ,I am happy to be free from n dad.And believe now being free from that I am closer to discover my real
feelings and outlook on life .

Instead of being so preoccupied with him or his approval or not.Now I just do not need it and can go on with my life.

Unburdened with going over childhood stuff its just gone.......................

Moon 
p.s. are you having test today?
« Last Edit: August 22, 2006, 12:21:50 PM by moonlight52 »

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Re: not religion, but relationship
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2006, 12:50:44 PM »
Hi Jac,

  As far as I am capable of knowing, I didn't have an honest relationship with either of my parents, and yet I always knew that they loved me and wanted to protect me... especially my Dad. I can see that I looked for love on the same basis that I saw it given and received in my family growing up... the difference in my case being that I viewed my heavenly Father as having my mother's critical spirit. So I set about my life trying to be perfect and finding alot of resentment from my intimates who did not want to be held to such a high standard. Not that I ever demanded they should... (I was a mouse)......just my simple presence in their lives seemed to have a similar effect on them as my mother's presence in my life had affected mine.
  An aside... I have to comment on this because I've noticed it the last several times I've typed here about my parents. I capitalize "Dad" but not mother, when I refer to them. It's not deliberate... it just comes out that way... and no doubt has some deeper meaning, perhaps simply that Dad is a real person to me, whereas mother is merely an image, a fake.
   And now I've totally forgotten where I was going with this originally, except to say...  I know that security has always been a major issue with me. I've sought safety in my relationships with spouses and never found it to a satisfactory degree, even in the best of relationships, which is what I now have. The way I look at it, in order to be intimate with a saviour, one must admit to the need to be saved. Then the question is... saved from what exactly? I would say, saved from self.
   If this salvation is viewed as a one time event, then one might accept it once and then proceed to try to earn from there on out what can only be received as a gift. Pride might take over, especially when neediness is viewed as the ultimate in degradations. I know, I'm blathering, but I do see what you're saying, Jac. The sort of honesty which is required... the tools needed to maintain intimacy... well, I can only express it as a complete relinquishment of all rights to self, based on a need which I cannot fill. Doesn't mean that I cease to be, only that I am willing to acknowledge that I cannot be (whole and complete) without Him. I can't be good enough, right enough, or ever do enough to make up for the deep lack within me which pride would seek to fill by learning, by accomplishment, by recognition, or even by giving till it hurts. I've given till it hurts and lost everything. It was from that place of utter emptiness that Jesus lifted me. He said, behold, I set before you life and death, blessing and cursing... choose life. And I did.
And you know... I had no workable tools at all. It was seeing that which finally woke me up.

Love,
Hope

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Re: not religion, but relationship
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2006, 12:56:09 PM »
Dear Laura,

  I'm keeping you in prayer re: your test today... for a deep calm and sense of peace, that you are never alone, and for clear results, as well.

Love,
Hope

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Re: not religion, but relationship
« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2006, 10:43:46 PM »
Hope, that was a very clear and moving account of your feelings. Thank you for sharing it.
(You know, it's odd...I was protected overwhelmingly--too much-- from the "outside" world and bad things--for example, we had no TV until I was 14. But my well-meaning parents--yes, even NMom meant well--never protected me from my brother or the bullies who tormented me on the playground.)

I'll never forget one moment when I was about six, standing at the edge of the asphalt playtop at the school feeling as though my heart was breaking from being so hated, and I had no idea why, I was so sensitive and everyone could read every shred of feeling on my face (which of course made it worse)...and I looked across the yard and my mother, who worked as the school librarian and first-grade teacher, was standing there just looking. But she didn't come help me.

Years later she mentioned that she felt unable to intervene to protect me from the kids because of her job, it might look like favortism. As an adult, I surely understood later. But in my 20s, I think much of my bitterness was because she witnessed my suffering and did nothing. But I'm not sure I knew in that decade of my life that this was part of my struggle with her. (Because anger was SO not permitted that the way I had felt as a little girl...it never occured to me to tell her I had been angry. So it all came out in other ways, endless debates over rules and values and VietNam and so on.)

Hops
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Re: not religion, but relationship
« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2006, 10:45:14 PM »
Laura, are you okay?
How did the test go?

Is it very scary to have a breast lump examined, so I hope you're all right.
No matter what the deal is, please remember we're here and sending you courage.

Eager to hear, ((((RM)))).

Hops
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Re: not religion, but relationship
« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2006, 11:38:06 PM »
Please do let us know about the test soon. I hope all is fine. I know a mammogram is no fun! Rest up and feel well.
Beth
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Re: not religion, but relationship
« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2006, 03:03:02 AM »
Hi Beth and all...THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND PRAYERS!  I am fine. the Mammogram is NORMAL! YESSSSSSSSSSS!