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God in our image
« on: September 30, 2006, 05:50:32 PM »
The discussion on another thread inspired me to start this one.  It is about creating or moulding our idea of God to follow our own personality.  I read recently, that you can tell if you have created God in your own image if he ends up hating all the same people you do.  Works for me!!

Anyway, it seems that often the kind of God that Christianity has is rather a weird person.  We have on form in Christ, which is the loving, merciful, compassionate kind.  And then we have the traditional OT kind, smiting enemies to the last man, woman and child, and bearing grudges over three or four generations; this is the one I call the Toddler God, but I suppose he could also be regarded as a Psychopath God or even NGod.

Anyway, when these variants raise their heads, I always say that in terms of sources, Christ himself is a primary historical source, and anything else is at best secondary, which makes clearer that the love, mercy and compassion win out.  And then you find that in Exodus 34 God reveals his name to Moses as "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion."  Which makes it a consistent picture, with a few projections along the way by bloodthirsty Israelites, seeking to justify their own brutal behaviours by saying that if they happened to win, that must mean that God sanctioned their actions.

All of which leads to the comment that if we have Nparents, then our God will be based on them, until we learn to polish off all the tarnish and other dross, and find out what is beneath that is worth having.  Or we may not be able to get past the whole N thing at all, which is a shame.

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Re: God in our image
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2006, 07:53:20 PM »
In my late 20s I latched onto the Christ you describe as

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form in Christ, which is the loving, merciful, compassionate kind.

and have never let go.  For 20 years I have moved from believing in this compassionate, grace filled Christ to knowing him.  How much more peaceful than that critical pan-optical God the Father I learned about in my childhood. - GS

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Re: God in our image
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2006, 08:54:46 PM »
I hope G_d is nothing like me!  :)

Actually I don't believe in G_d as anything other than the Spirit of Love. When I talk to G_d it's really thinking about things in a spirit of love, even if I don't want to feel loving at all towards that person or subject.

I'm a Unitarian Christian who believes in Interfaith and that there is more than one path to G_d.

Not to start a debate or anything, I just think it's worth pointing out that even within one religion not everyone believes the same things.

I am currently involved with a number of people lately who assume that everyone who doesn't believe what they think must be wrong...and they are happy to dismiss or criticise.
I have heard more mean-spirited comments in the past couple of months in Jesus' name than in the whole rest of my life, I think it's just because I am having to associate with some people I would rather not.

I'm learning a lot though, what they say makes me go and read the Bible/Torah and even though I can't understand Arabic at all I've been looking at the Qu'uran too.

I guess we can learn from everyone, even if it's just 'there but for the grace go I...' but the worst thing I hate about feeling stuck with them is that I am now being judgemental and negative about them!







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Re: God in our image
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2006, 04:30:36 PM »
In my late 20s I latched onto the Christ you describe as

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form in Christ, which is the loving, merciful, compassionate kind.

and have never let go.  For 20 years I have moved from believing in this compassionate, grace filled Christ to knowing him.  How much more peaceful than that critical pan-optical God the Father I learned about in my childhood. - GS

That makes perfect sense to me, as that is the only Christ I can find in Scripture.  What amazes me is anyone who can retain a vengeful God, and at the same time have this person in Christ.  I am glad you have strength in your faith, GS.   :)

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Re: God in our image
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2006, 04:34:32 PM »
I hope G_d is nothing like me!  :)

Actually I don't believe in G_d as anything other than the Spirit of Love. When I talk to G_d it's really thinking about things in a spirit of love, even if I don't want to feel loving at all towards that person or subject.

I'm a Unitarian Christian who believes in Interfaith and that there is more than one path to G_d.

Not to start a debate or anything, I just think it's worth pointing out that even within one religion not everyone believes the same things.

I am currently involved with a number of people lately who assume that everyone who doesn't believe what they think must be wrong...and they are happy to dismiss or criticise.
I have heard more mean-spirited comments in the past couple of months in Jesus' name than in the whole rest of my life, I think it's just because I am having to associate with some people I would rather not.

I'm learning a lot though, what they say makes me go and read the Bible/Torah and even though I can't understand Arabic at all I've been looking at the Qu'uran too.

I guess we can learn from everyone, even if it's just 'there but for the grace go I...' but the worst thing I hate about feeling stuck with them is that I am now being judgemental and negative about them!


I agree with all you say, Write, except that I do not see you being judgemental or negative in voicing your thoughts.  You are correct in saying that for some people faith is not about building their own spiritual life, but tearing down other people's.  None of us can know the whole truth about the Deity, but love certainly has to be the start, imo.

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Re: God in our image
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2006, 12:47:30 AM »
for some people faith is not about building their own spiritual life, but tearing down other people's.  None of us can know the whole truth about the Deity, but love certainly has to be the start, imo.

Even with atheism I have noticed there is a difference between that person who has examined their beliefs and the world and come to peace with it and the person who is angry and trying to convert others.

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Re: God in our image
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2006, 05:41:38 AM »
for some people faith is not about building their own spiritual life, but tearing down other people's.  None of us can know the whole truth about the Deity, but love certainly has to be the start, imo.

Even with atheism I have noticed there is a difference between that person who has examined their beliefs and the world and come to peace with it and the person who is angry and trying to convert others.

Anger is certainly a huge feature of some faith.  It makes me wonder, from what you said, what they are trying to convert.  Is it even about faith, or is it that they want to see equivalent anger in others, rather than peace and contentment?  As if anger on its own is not enough, they want an epidemic of it.

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Re: God in our image
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2006, 09:07:13 AM »
they want an epidemic of it.

we used to say in England 'misery likes company'!

I've been to a peace march which didn't feel peaceful.....sometimes people's mob behaviour takes on a much greater momentum than what they would do alone.

For my beliefs if you do or say something horrible it's not G_d and it's not good!

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Re: God in our image
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2006, 10:17:33 AM »

For my beliefs if you do or say something horrible it's not G_d and it's not good!

I agree.   :D