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fraidycat

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Advice: Cousin want's to know why I've abandond family
« on: October 18, 2006, 07:54:33 PM »
Hi,
 I'm Baaack.. Second post. After My brothers wedding there have been some repercussions.When my cousin was in for a visit before the wedding I told her that I would not be attending my brothers wedding because we were having problems. (She also saw him and N-mom that weekend...who knows what was said) . She E-mailed because she noticed there was a problem and related my problem with NB (I never elaborated) with the problems she was having with her sister when they didn't speak for 3 years.... a completely different story..she was carring around alot of hate.  Also she asked me how could you do this to your kids they love NB... think about what your doing to your KIDS! She said she loved me and was there for me. So I wrote back explaining that the problem wasn't just with NB it was also with NS and NMom. I told her that there was alot of abuse in the family and how I've had limited contact for years, and now I have to protect my kids and myself...  that after researching  I believe all three suffer from a very serious personality disorder called NPD. I tried to explain the Jekyll and Hide behaviors  and offered to send info. on NPD and to explain further about my situation if she wanted me to (I didn't want to overload her because her mom just passed) then asked for feedback. She never responded until after the wedding. She sent pictures and said I missed a really great time. :?  I was a little upset about her unresponsiveness so I forwarded my E-mail again and said ...Did you get this E-mail? and if you did why would you send pictures of the wedding? Either you don't understand how hard it is to lose your family to mental illness or you don't believe me and are being fooled. She slammed me back responding..I don't know If I got this e-mail or not it might have been accidental deleted so much has been going on with her mothers death the loss of her job because of the time she took off work after her mom died (I didn't know about the job loss...but She also made a comment..it may have been an accident she sent me the pictures...I somehow was on her e-mail list for family and the people she conciders to be family :shock:) ..I felt soooo bad at first, she went on to say mental illness is NO reason to abandon your family. If her family wasn't there for support during her mental illness (she's a recovering alcoholic) she would be dead!! Then went on to relate my problems with the family to alcohol consummation? (She had sever problems...me just evenings) I felt like I wasn't heard at all!!! She made a comment that some day I might need my family and like ALL family's they WILL be there for me. And how she wants to help me + she is there for me ? Talk about voicelessness!  She wants me to call her...I do want to respond to her (I don't like to be misunderstood or unresolved issues) but I don't know what to say..I am so confused. A while back someone sent in a link with a description of Nmothers that fit I was thinking about sending that... but I can't find it now. I could really use some advice on this one.
Thanks,   Fraidycat
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Re: Advice: Cousin want's to know why Iv'e abandond family
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2006, 08:25:00 PM »
Hello fraidycat

You're getting a 'changeback' reaction - pressure to conform, so that people can continue to use you for whatever they have become accustomed to using you for. It's actually rather easy to tell when this is happening: look to see what is being offered to you, really, and compare that to what is being demanded of you.

By the way, mental illness can be an excellent reason to abandon your family; it depends on the illness, and it depends on the family. There are non-mentally ill families [and parents] who also merit abandoning.

Consider a daughter, for instance, whose mother has repeatedly failed to support her - choosing instead to favor an alcoholic or battering husband, or even an incest-perpetrating husband. Such things happen all too often, sadly; mothers of incest victims are often remarkably unwilling to see what is going on, and to take even the most elementary, no-brainer measures to protect their children. You'll also see no shortage of newspaper stories about small children who are beaten, sometimes even beaten to death, by their fathers, their stepfathers, or their mothers' latest boyfriends. Quite often the mothers of these children sacrifice their child's well being in order to keep some illusory 'peace' for themselves.

Has such a daughter ever had a mother in anything but the most basic genetic and biological sense? If they manage to survive to adulthood, many of these children decide to cut their losses, and it's hard to blame them for 'abandoning' a 'family' like the one they have had.

Basically, it sounds as though your cousin is abusing you, ferociously, here. And... I hate to say it... but your cousin does not sound like a recovering alcoholic at all, based on the behaviors you describe. The business of:

-provoking arguments for no apparent reason other than that she enjoys fights
-criticising anyone who sees the dysfunction and points it out as though THEY are the problem, rather than the dysfunction itself
-trying to force you to be loyal to a system [family] that has shown you no loyalty in the past and won't in the future [not unless they change. Does that look likely?]
-ignoring your points, criticising you, putting you down, while trying to convince you that this is loving behaviour because she 'loves' you --

This is all classic active [non-recovering] alcoholic mind gaming, abusive variety.

I say this with some concern, because brave recovering alcoholics on this site have been very honest and forthright about the thing they are fighting, and I don't want them to feel shamed in any way. But I suspect that honest alcoholics, in honest recovery, will be among the first to agree with the characterization I've presented here of how an alcoholic who is not really recovering plays head games with anyone and everything...

Well, if your head is spinning after reading this post I won't be surprised. There's a lot going on here, but there's a huge amount of head gaming, blaming, shaming and other things going on with that cousin of yours, and the rest of the family as well, it seems like.

Hold fast... remember, there are facts. Some things really are true. Get a copy of Patricia Evans' book The Verbally Abusive Relationship, read about how verbal abusers constantly distort reality, and change their arguments, and even contradict themselves just to keep their targets off balance. Look up 'gaslighting' - you can do a search on this site, even, to find posts about it. And if the only thing you can think of to protect yourself right now is to minimize contact, don't be ashamed of that. Be proud that you are protecting yourself - with whatever armor you have available.

Hang in there... hold fast.

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Re: Advice: Cousin want's to know why I've abandond family
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2006, 08:33:31 PM »
Hi Fraidycat,
I'm glad you brought this up here where understanding can be had.    Your cousin not only does not understand, she has serious issues of her own.  In your shoes I would just try to remember that she is not there for you because she cannot be at this time, and do not take too much to heart anything she might say. Above alll, you can try to convince her, but if you fail, it does not matter and it has a lot more to do with her than with you or with the truth.  You know the truth, you know what you need, you know about N-ishness, and you are on the road to recovery from the abuse you have suffered.  I wish  you well on the road to healing.
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Re: Advice: Cousin want's to know why I've abandond family
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2006, 01:32:55 AM »
hi fraidycat,

I like the insight that Storm & Plucky have offered.  Plus, I agree.

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She made a comment that some day I might need my family

This is classic, I've heard it so many times its almost tattoed there permanently in my brain.   :( 
Instead of responding, how about just concentrating on how this statement makes you feel.  Take her out of the equation - just think about you.  Let all those ugly feelings come up about this and let those ugly thoughts/feelings just gurgle out.  Do not hold them inside.  They're toxic and that toxic waste needs exterminating.  In other words, do a little toxic cleansing.  Here's how I'd feel if my enabling relative had sent that to me (and I didn't go to my sister's wedding, so I know exactly how you must feel).

One day I may need my family.  Well F**K!  I feel like I need them now and they're not there for me!!!  $%*&#))@!!!!  I've needed them many times.  The time I cried in Dad's arms when I was 10...the time I was alone and scared in highschool.  The time I crashed a car and they called the police on me...  The time I told them I was getting married, and no one could muster any excitement for me.  What if I need them Some Day??!!!  Unbelievable.  I needed them.  They've never come through for me.



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and like ALL family's they WILL be there for me.

Well that's a pretty out and out lie.  I know and have known for awhile our family defies logic and is not "normal" in this way.  Instead of being there for me, they'll be ready to kick me down, once again.


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And how she wants to help me + she is there for me ?

This is a crock..


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Talk about voicelessness!
 

YAH!


Sorry if this was too harsh..  An alternative is to get the toxic stuff out with a counselor or therapist.  I've found it hard to cry in front of mine, though.  I usually let it seep out when I'm alone and hurting and just thinking about the crap - this very crap, for example, that you've explained.

hugs fraidycat.

You don't need to be afraid.  They're just feelings, and it's OK to have them.

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Re: Advice: Cousin want's to know why I've abandond family
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2006, 09:07:11 AM »
I tried to explain the Jekyll and Hide behaviors  and offered to send info. on NPD and to explain further about my situation if she wanted me to (I didn't want to overload her because her mom just passed) then asked for feedback.

It looks at first like a reasonable strategy, to explain your position, and then provide information to back it up.  However, this is not always the best route to follow.

If you imagine a seige situation, with you in a castle which cannot be breached, and someone asks about your castle, and you say, well, there is a strong drawbridge, and a moat, and a six foot high wall, then what you have done is to give them the information they need to storm your castle and invade your space.  They will immediately focus on bridging the moat, breaking down the drawbridge and scaling those walls. It is the same with explanations and reasons.  If you give someone a reason, they then know that if they destroy your reason, you can no longer remain where you are.  Then either you have to find another reason, or reinforce the original one.  Either way, you are placed on the defensive.

Sometimes, it is better to take a leaf from Mary Poppins' book.  She said, 'I never explain anything.'

You do not owe anyone an explanation about anything, and neither are you obliged to provide one.  All you need to say is that you have considered this very carefully, and come to the conclusion that this is the best course of action to take, both for yourself and your children.  Nothing further at all.  And if you are asked why you decided that, you can say, it was a very difficult process, and you can see no purpose in going over it again, because your mind is made up.

This is an example of October knowing the theory, but being really lousy at putting it into practice.   :D

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Re: Advice: Cousin want's to know why I've abandond family
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2006, 09:25:04 AM »
Ah, but what an excellent theory, October.  And if you only practice it once in awhile, well, maybe those are the times that it really counts.

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Re: Advice: Cousin want's to know why I've abandond family
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2006, 01:11:22 PM »
Thanks Everyone!!!!!

Good Stuff (I've reread your posts several times).......Alot to think about!!!

Stormchild quote:
You're getting a 'changeback' reaction - pressure to conform, so that people can continue to use you for whatever they have become accustomed to using you for. It's actually rather easy to tell when this is happening: look to see what is being offered to you, really, and compare that to what is being demanded of you.

You nailed that on the head!!

Penelope Quote:

What if I need them Some Day??!!!  Unbelievable.  I needed them.  They've never come through for me.

I know and have known for awhile our family defies logic and is not "normal" in this way.  Instead of being there for me, they'll be ready to kick me down, once again.

October Quote:

You do not owe anyone an explanation about anything, and neither are you obliged to provide one.  All you need to say is that you have considered this very carefully, and come to the conclusion that this is the best course of action to take, both for yourself and your children.  Nothing further at all.  And if you are asked why you decided that, you can say, it was a very difficult process, and you can see no purpose in going over it again, because your mind is made up.

Exactly!!!!!!! I don't know if I will call her but if I do or if I'm questioned about this again I'm borrowing these!!!

Plucky Quote:

Your cousin not only does not understand, she has serious issues of her own.  In your shoes I would just try to remember that she is not there for you because she cannot be at this time, and do not take too much to heart anything she might say. Above all, you can try to convince her, but if you fail, it does not matter and it has a lot more to do with her than with you or with the truth.  You know the truth, you know what you need, you know about N-ishness,

I'm starting to see this...your so right.

I don't know if I will call her I think I'll just sit on it for awhile..I don't see any reason to rush into calling. Thank you all this has been very helpful... and Stormchild I am going to get the book you recomemded.

Fraidycat