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October

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Re: Recovery day one - again.
« Reply #30 on: November 01, 2006, 06:43:53 AM »

Hi October,
I am not sure I understand what you are saying.  It almost sounds as if you feel that you are invisible or disappear in the face of a strong personality.  Or that you feel ungrounded unless another person is keeping you down to Earth.    And that John was filling this role for you many times, and without him  you feel you are missing an important part of being able to feel yourself?   Do you feel like talkign about this?  I know the touchy feely stuff is not my forte so I might be so terribly off base.  I just felt that you were saying something important and I am not sure I got it.

Plucky
PS the Auschwitz thing is beyond icky.  They are inhuman.  If John was your bellwether, I know you can do better than that on your worst day!

Yes, all that is true.  My best theory on this is that I had no parents worth the name, and that whatever parental attachment I formed was with ob.  Only he was what an ob always is; volatile, unpredictable, not wanting a ys hanging around. 

So now I seem to need an ob figure to see myself through, and to provide grounding.  J was always willing to allow this, because it cost him nothing whatever, and he gained a lot from having me around.  But what it means for me is that I still have not found how to exist as a single entity, rather than as half of a brother:sister relationship.

If I look back on my life this is consistent.  There was ob, then friend at Uni, then h, then counsellor1, then J.  Always a (usually) platonic male figure.  There are women friends as well, but they do not get inside my heart in the same way.  They stay outside.  But the men seem to not just get close, but to be part of me, in a very unsettling way.  I don't go round looking for this to happen, it just seems to happen all by itself.  With most people it is normal, but once in a while there is someone who seems to complete something in me, and in whom I seem to complete something in them.  If this were not mixed up with dysfunction, I would call it love, but perhaps it is not quite love.

I think this is what a mother should be, if you have a decent mother, and I never did.  When I look in psychology books at the pictures of those poor monkeys deprived of a mother, and in particular the one with no mother, and no substitute - the one curled up in despair at the bottom of the cage, I see who I am.  I want to pick that poor monkey up and hold it.   :(

Portia

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Re: Recovery day one - again.
« Reply #31 on: November 01, 2006, 07:14:59 AM »
You know yourself so well. I thought: many, many people would call that love. And they do. Attachment.

maybe my mother was the wire monkey that feeds but feels very uncomfortable!

I'm glad you want to pick that monkey up and hold it. There - is the hope and the love for yourself that survives and feels and lives.......


October

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Re: Recovery day one - again.
« Reply #32 on: November 01, 2006, 09:16:16 AM »
You know yourself so well. I thought: many, many people would call that love. And they do. Attachment.

maybe my mother was the wire monkey that feeds but feels very uncomfortable!

I'm glad you want to pick that monkey up and hold it. There - is the hope and the love for yourself that survives and feels and lives.......



Pick it up, hold it, bring it home, give it a room, feed it, find another monkey to keep it company, take it to the zoo to visit its cousins.   8)

That picture really is difficult to look at.

I think it is love too, Portia.  I am going to think so. Maybe I don't always love the right people, but that doesn't mean there is anything wrong with loving, as long as it is focussed on what is right for the other person, which is what I always try to do.

Plucky

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Re: Recovery day one - again.
« Reply #33 on: November 02, 2006, 01:42:44 AM »
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I want to pick that poor monkey up and hold it.   

I believe that every time you pick up that monkey and hold it, you are picking yourself up and holding yourself.    So get thee out to hold others!

Plucky

October

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Re: Recovery day one - again.
« Reply #34 on: November 02, 2006, 06:37:57 AM »
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I want to pick that poor monkey up and hold it.   

I believe that every time you pick up that monkey and hold it, you are picking yourself up and holding yourself.    So get thee out to hold others!

Plucky

K.  Starting here.  (((((((((((hugs))))))))))   :D

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Re: Recovery day one - again.
« Reply #35 on: November 02, 2006, 11:54:07 PM »
(((((((((((((((((((((((October)))))))))))))))))))))

Hi October,
towards what qualities in the surrogate brothers are you gravitating?    Do you know?
Sorry to be terse but my carpal tunnel is acting up.
Plucky