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Highly Functioning Drug Addicts and/or Alcoholics
« on: November 06, 2006, 09:53:24 PM »
hi guys,

This is a topic that intrigues me, as I have met more than a few highly functioning drug addicts and/or alcoholics in my lifetime.  They hold down responsible jobs, they build things, they go to work everyday just like you and I.  Some even got through medical college doing this (drinking/drugging), and now they perform surgeries for a living....

When was the first time ya'll realize that the world is full of these people, and no one seems to notice or care except yourself?

This was eye-opening for me when I became an adult and got my first job.  There were two people in my department that used to show up to work drunk regularly, and no one did anything about it.

I was wondering that if growing up in a N family makes this revelation any different.

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Re: Highly Functioning Drug Addicts and/or Alcoholics
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2006, 10:04:12 PM »
I had a guy reporting to me once who regularly came in reeking of cognac.  When I commented about it, he was SO indignant!  He had a few excuses, but after a while, I refused to believe that he had been to the dentist for the 12th time this month and received a shot of cognac because the novocaine didn't work!
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Re: Highly Functioning Drug Addicts and/or Alcoholics
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2006, 11:01:33 PM »
Oh, my first job. My first boss was on booze and antianxiety meds, a bad combo, terribly terribly addicting. He bullied his staff all the time, put them in double binds, applied double standards to them - moved the goalposts constantly, said things and then claimed he hadn't, told people to do X and then criticized them for not doing Y, and lived in absolute terror of his own higher management.

I hated his behavior then; now I pity him.

My second boss was a sad case - no longer drinking but not really sober, still had terrible problems with stinking thinking and was so awfully insecure that you could not talk to her about anything either, unless you agreed with everything she said, and I mean everything. Since her judgement was not sound, it was simply impossible to agree with everything - and she would become immediately offended and vindictive at the slightest hint of independent thought. She took it personally, and felt challenged. I learned eventually to pity her too.

I worked for a running addict not long after that - guy didn't do any drugs, he ran and did marathons instead. He also had the inability to hear anything but 100% agreement on anything all the time. I worked with him for a number of years, and he got steadily worse over that time, more and more touchy and paranoid, it was terrible to watch him turning against people he'd known for years who were loyal to him.

All of these people were surprisingly functional in their jobs, at least in terms that management cared about - and at the same time terribly dysfunctional in them as well. They never had to clean up their own messes, so they had no consequences for their bad ideas and strategies. The people who worked for them - the ones who were aware, anyway - didn't want to be forced to make messes when they knew they would be messes and they would be blamed and then have to clean them up.

So they had two types of staff: the ones who knew and cared about the job who were always getting fussed at for being 'noncooperative' and the ones who were cynical manipulators, went along with the bosses' most awful ideas, and made sure they were in another job before the mess had to be cleaned up.

I wonder why anyone ever thinks that "the private sector" knows how to do anything better than any other sector! Nobody ever realized how much trouble these people were in - ever. When I was vulnerable to them, I was furious at them, but now, years later, I wish that I had understood more and that others had too. [more edit: its easy to take that position now that there isn't anything these particular people can do to hurt me. Not so easy when they had power over me.]

Edit in: bean, it's an addictive society we live in. Nonrecovering addicts make good consumers, they're never satisfied. I don't think it's possible to live in this society without being a bit overly dependent on something... until you become aware. Thank God for AA, ACOA, AlAnon, NA, and other places where people can wake up and find another way.
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Re: Highly Functioning Drug Addicts and/or Alcoholics
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2006, 11:30:41 AM »
oh my gosh - such stories.

jac, I think that's why I get so upset when I see it!  I never bought into the dysfunctional family script and still don't.

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Re: Highly Functioning Drug Addicts and/or Alcoholics
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2006, 12:08:17 PM »
Yikers.
All of these stories also make me think about the despair that many people feel in the modern cubicle farm.
I'm sure I'm projecting some there, but what is it about the modern workplace...

Ya know?

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« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2006, 04:21:43 PM »
All of these stories also make me think about the despair that many people feel in the modern cubicle farm

Hops, that's my first thought also.  I tend to see people who drink "too much" as self-medicating and I just wish there was a way they could break out of whatever pain they are in. 

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Re: Highly Functioning Drug Addicts and/or Alcoholics
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2006, 09:43:34 PM »
I had a job where a highly functioning drug addict was hired over me for a promotion, which was very discouraging as I then had to report to the guy.  I figured him out in about 30 seconds, but for quite a while no one else in authority could see it.  He started missing work within a matter of days and screwing things up badly.   He'd disappear during the day and find his way to a bar.  Of course I and others got stuck with the task of keeping the organization running. 

It was time for a change in my life anyway so I bailed out.  Two years later he had messed things up so much it became a big public scandal (it was a fairly high level position in local government).  The newspapers and the television stations were reporting on his antics just about every day, yet his bosses vigorously defended the guy for months and wouldn't admit anything was wrong. He was fixing his own traffic tickets, missing work, working another job on government time, and on and on.  Finally he was forced out.   I enjoyed every minute of this drama :)

What was really amazing is how nearly  no one could see it to begin with and then later the same people were in denial when faced with the obvious facts.  There were signs from the beginning.  The guy lied on his application but with chemical assistance he came across very well in interviews.  The guy caused a lot of damage that could have been avoided.   Without the public exposure in the news, the guy would probably still be there. 

I consider knowing how to recognize this kind of thing one of the most important lessons of my life.  By getting out of the way, I avoided a whole lot of abuse.    

 

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Re: Highly Functioning Drug Addicts and/or Alcoholics
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2006, 09:57:26 PM »
I think there are two things questioned here:

How can you function as an addict?

How can people let ***ked up employees remain on the job?

I was a high functioning addict. It didn't bleed into my work and no one there would EVER have suspected.

The issues of sucky workers has always bothered me. I am so overly responsible it is sickening sometimes. I will put my job over my health, my sleep, whatever (except if my kids need something and then I plan as hard as I can to NEVER let it interfere with work).  And yet other dirtbags are completely irresponsible and still retain work. How????? Notice this might be a bit of a touchy subject for me... especially this week, when my boss is really irritating me :)

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Re: Highly Functioning Drug Addicts and/or Alcoholics
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2006, 10:54:56 PM »
hi beth - I suspect a lot of folks fall into this category that you were in where I work.  They drink to excess, but who would guess?  They are among the top performers.  My ex alcoholic b/f who is a family practice doctor was also in this league - he was pulling in more money for the clinic he worked at than any other doctor there.  No wonder they overlooked the fact he could not answer pages...  Unfortunately, he could not have a healthy relationship with me.


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yet his bosses vigorously defended the guy for months and wouldn't admit anything was wrong

Have you heard of Parkinsons's law?  I will start a new thread to describe the phenomena, it's quite interesting.  But suffice it to say - they knew Exactly what was going on and that this guy was an underachiever and guess what?  That's why they hired him!  Overlooking all this was a conscious choice they made for a very good reason, I believe.


lupine - I feel sorry for most addicts too. 


S + S & hops - I think you're right on - there is something about this corporate society that encourages addictive behavior.  The modern cube farm definitely contributes to bullying in the workplace - when we feel bullied we feel bad - so we try to soothe ourselves.  Some ways are healthy, many are not.  Cause when stressed, that is a natural reaction for most of us.

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Re: Highly Functioning Drug Addicts and/or Alcoholics
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2006, 05:36:06 PM »

 

The issues of sucky workers has always bothered me. I am so overly responsible it is sickening sometimes. I will put my job over my health, my sleep, whatever (except if my kids need something and then I plan as hard as I can to NEVER let it interfere with work).  And yet other dirtbags are completely irresponsible and still retain work. How????? Notice this might be a bit of a touchy subject for me... especially this week, when my boss is really irritating me :)

Love, Beth



I've also had the experience of supervising addicted employees so I might be able to shed some light on what goes on.  Some of them are very dysfunctional when it comes to any productive work, but they are absolute geniuses when it comes to self protection and "game playing".  They can be very charismatic and often have friends or protectors (enablers?) in high places.   As their disease progresses, they play off their past to dodge responsibility for what they are doing now (I have 30 years of demonstrated commitment to this company).  And they are can be good at making pleas for compassion.   The more ingenious will use laws such as the Americans with Disabilities Act to support their case.  I once had an addict  who wouldn't follow orders claim he was afflicted with something called "oppositional defiant disorder" in order to get protection under the ADA.  I was able to fire the guy eventually anyway, but only with the added headache of a lot of psychological evaluation and other bureaucratic hoops.   The entire process took years. 

Which brings up another part of the challenge.  In large organizations there are often departments and people who make their living off having dysfunctional people around.   In the case of my employee with "ODD" some psychologist made a nice piece of change off the situation.  The tendency is to draw things out forever.  If the organization ever became completely functional, someone might decide they no longer need psychological counselors e.t.c..     


Many time managers will just ignore the problem because it is too complicated to solve.  They may not have the time, energy, or knowledge to address the situation.   To save themselves the short term damage of addressing the issue, they inadvertently set the workplace up for continual problems year after year.  It's very much like the problems of dealing personally with an abuser.