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a definition of healthy relationships
« on: November 17, 2006, 09:19:24 AM »
( from Anne Wilson Schaeff Escape from Intimacy )

'*To be able to 'wait with' the evolution of a relationship.
*To be able to be honest when one is not interested or cannot listen.
*To recognise and accept one's own needs and honor them.
*To care for not take care of, the other.
*To know that dependency in any form kills relationships; to honor the integrity of the self and the other.
*To know that one cannot compromise one's spiritual and moral values without eroding the relationship.
*To be present to the self and the other and share intimacy where appropriate.
*To know that physical loving evolves as intimacy grows.
*To know that the relationship is only one important aspet of one's total life.
*To be unwilling to turn one's life over to anyone.
*To accept responsibility for one's own life and recognize the other's responsibility for his or her own life.
*To be honest with oneself about who the other is and what important values, hopes and fears are not shared.
*To see the other and the self clearly without judgement.
*To know that blame has no place in intimacy and to be willing to own one's own mistakes without judgement.
*To be unwilling to accept physical emotional or spiritual battering.
*To be able to share 'worlds' while maintaining one's own.
*To be present.
*To take risks and be vulnerable with the other.
*To share feelings as one feels them.
*To have and respect boundaries.
*To know that suffering is not love- pain will occur; suffering is a choice.
*To live one's own process and respect the process of the other whatever it is.
*To give information and let it go without trying to control what the other does with it.
*To know that love cannot be created or manipulated. Love is a gift.

All of us are pioneers exploring the potential in relationships. We are learning together. In healthy relationships, we are always flying by the seat of our pants. When we are not trying to control, not trying to create an atmosphere of stasis or security, we are always evolving with the relationship.'
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Re: a definition of healthy relationships
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2006, 09:45:07 AM »
this is where I got up to so far.

I have read jacmac's thread about being unable to love, and I do think you are being rather hard on yourself jacmac! But what strikes me about so many of us here isn't that we don't or can't love so much as we don't or can't receive love.

Maybe having not been given it early on we learn to do without it and later don't want it....

Ask yourself how often you know what another person requires from whatever transaction is going on and it probably surprises you to realise you already know what someone wants/ needs within a few seconds of starting to relate to them.

And I am constantly a little dismayed that other people never 'know' on the same level what I want or need.....

I think it's one of the skills gets misappropriated when we hook up with the N or ( as my therapist said ) a 'sadist'.

But why are we hooking up with people who don't/won't/ can't love us? And repeating the pattern?

I used to think it was because I didn't believe I was worthy or had a self-image problem. Then I thought it was a control thing- if I don't let people too close I may still be hurt but at least it's a hurt that I recognise and I am in control at all times.

Now I am starting to think it goes even deeper, right to a fundamental infant level:

I am not accustomed to being loved.

It feels wrong. Everything about being loved is alien- the touch, the gaze, the two-way process, the acceptance, the vulnerability.

For a long time I have thought I was just meeting people who had intimacy issues and drawing them in instead of walking away from the encounter; I am beginning to see it is me who has intimacy issues and that every time I meet someone who expresses interest or love for me I shy away.

Often it's a timing thing- by the time I am understanding what is happening and have started to respond the guy is confused and gone.

The only guys who stick around whilst I get over my own fears at that point are the ones I am not rejecting by my fear of intimacy, the ones who don't like intimacy themselves! or who have another goal for being in a relationship ( let's call that their sadistic motive! )

I've thought for a long time that my mother's revelation that she didn't pick us up as babies and left us to cry until we stopped crying ( proudly 'my babies never cried for long' ) had done some disconnect. Add to that childhood being neither a nurturing or healing experience and it explains why my siblings and I have all had these issues.

If I don't address this I don't think it matters who the other person is- I won't be able to fully connect with them on all levels as for a love relationship.

How to address it...???

« Last Edit: November 17, 2006, 09:47:37 AM by WRITE »

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Re: a definition of healthy relationships
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2006, 10:21:48 AM »
Write,
As lovely as all of those points are in the definition of a healthy relationship, I doubt there are many relationships in existence that can live up to all of that.  To hold oneself to that standard will most likely create a very lonely future.  While some things are obvious, i.e., not living with abuse, having separate interests as well as common interests, dependancy kills relationships, etc., I believe that many of those points are things which are goals to work on as a couple as the relationship evolves over time.

I could sit here and say that I shouldn't be in a relationship unless or until I can stop feeling my insecurities, until I can allow myself to be completely vulnerable and feel safe, to not feel that I need to earn someone's love--but that might not ever happen.  That may be so imprinted on my psyche that it will be with me forever.  I can try to improve it and minimize it as best I can, but to eliminate it may just not be possible.  What I can do, is be honest with my partner regarding these personality issues and ask his patience and assistance in dealing with them.  None of us are perfect and no relationship is perfect.  I think the key is recognizing your own strengths and weaknesses and finding a partner who can complement those.  The partner needs to also understand his or her own strengths and weaknesses, be honest about those and the two of you work together to support each other.

Just my 2 cents.

Brigid

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Re: a definition of healthy relationships
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2006, 11:40:18 AM »
Write, it's the list!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you so much for typing the whole thing out.
That list has had an enormous impact on me.
I agree with Brig that it's the ideal, not the practical...but when you've experienced the polar opposite of so many of the concepts on the list, it's a wonderful, wonderful guide, imo.
It has helped me navigate through a lot of emotional confusion.
It's the vision I hold as what I want to be in relationship.

And knee-buckling respect to you, Write, for identifying your own fears of intimacy. I understand the awakening about contradictory feelings. You know you want closeness yet it doesn't fit the ingrained image your childhood built.

The beautiful thing happening in our lives, imo, is that we're all unbuilding, rebuilding, starting from new foundations, choosing our own materials, knocking things down and building them up. We are our own architects and much as a fine architect will work with what's strong in a site or structure even while knocking down the rest...we can do the same with what we were bred to be and what we believe in being.

Maybe none of us ever personify The List. I doubt that Schaefer herself does it perfectly. But I am so grateful to her for articulating the vision of healthy intimacy.

Hope it helps many as much as it's helped me.

love,
Hops
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Re: a definition of healthy relationships
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2006, 10:29:52 PM »
yes, it's the ideal. I want a relationship with someone who could work towards that!

I have worked through the book Hops, the sex addiction or romance addiction I don't relate to much but the relationship addiction, I think there's something in that.

I do feel uniquely uncomfortable to be single despite my wonderful life....strange because mostly when I was married I yearned for peace and space!

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Re: a definition of healthy relationships
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2006, 12:22:06 AM »
Yes... I can give love, but always think anyone who gives me love has some sort of problem to care about me... alas...
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Re: a definition of healthy relationships
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2006, 09:25:52 PM »
always think anyone who gives me love has some sort of problem to care about me... alas...

if we don't get unconditional love I think this is the consequence, we've always had to earn it or do without it.

Love yourself Beth, let your soul awaken to someone who will commit to loving it always and well!