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Hopalong

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ER overload
« on: March 04, 2007, 11:33:27 PM »
Poor Mom.
We live just 5 min. from the hospital, and I just left her there.
This is the 3rd time in about 8 months.
She got "stuck" on the john, and I couldn't persuade her to move and she was very disoriented.
She's gotten very heavy in the last year, just eating and no exercise...and I can't lift her. When she doesn't feel well she goes completely limp, sort of regresses.

At any rate I called our nurse neighbor for a 2nd opinion, I was thinking of calling 911, and she said if you can't move her you'd better call them. So I did, and they took her, and I went, and then they said I couldn't go back with her yet, she's still disoriented, so I left my number and told them to call me as soon as they've evaluated her. I'll go right back, but I just couldn't take another 3 or 4 hour wait in those chairs, my back just spasms.

So the poor thing is in the ER on her own. I know she's in good hands (we've been to this little hospital about 8 times) and they will keep me posted and I'll go back as soon as they have her settled for the night. But I just couldn't sit there any more.

I came home to post and be with my dog and sit in bed until they call. I feel guilty but also, not.
It was like a switch in my head flipped and I said to myself, you don't have to be sitting in pain for hours to show you're a good daughter. She is safe and warm and they're taking care of her.

Oy. I had to go stand in the front yard and cry with my fingers in my ears because she wailed so piteously when they had to lift her off the toilet, but no matter how I tried to persuade her she wouldn't try to help herself stand up and they had no choice.

I just hate it. I hate seeing her suffer and not being able to help but at the same time I hate the stress of it. This is about the 8th hospitalization for her and I am on autopilot.

guilt, guilt guilt...

HOps

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Re: ER overload
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2007, 12:06:56 AM »
Hops


((((((Hops))))))))  Nothing to be guilty of. I hope your mom is ok.  Want you to know I'm thinking of you. 

Deb

Hopalong

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Re: ER overload
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2007, 12:08:21 AM »
thanks, Deb, I need that.

love,
Hops
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Re: ER overload
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2007, 12:09:26 AM »
((((((hops)))))))))))))))

a bad night, and all will be better in the morning!

((((((((((((love))))))))))))))
Izzy

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Re: ER overload
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2007, 12:33:05 AM »



((((((((((((((((((((Hops and Poor Mom)))))))))))))))))))))))))

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Re: ER overload
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2007, 12:44:04 AM »
Hiya Hops:

So sorry things are so hard for you and your mom.  Wish I could wave a magic wand and make all your troubles go away.  8)  Wouldn't that be lovely?  Best I can do is suggest you take some deep breaths, try to relax, and imagine that to be the case, for a little while.  Just to give your head and heart a rest  and dream of something comfortable and happy eh?

I've been reading about guilt lately because I believe I'm a master at it.  Here's some stuff I've found helpful....maybe it will help you a little too?

Apparently you and I are not the only ones who do the guilt thing to ourselves.  :shock: So we're not alone and that makes us more normal than not.   One thing you're doing right is discussing your feelings, which is supposed to really help (which fits with my favorite motto:  better out than in  :shock: 8)).    Sharing often helps a person to see that what they did or thought or felt wasn't so horrible.  So keep talking!

I'm thinking that you feel guilty for leaving the hospital?  For hating having to watch and care for her as she suffers?    Maybe even for not being able to do anything that helps, when she gets like this?

I love logic so I'll go there first.  How logical would it be to sit in the uncomfortable chair in ER, as your back spasms?  Who would that help?  Can you forgive yourself for that part...since it only makes sense that you must take care of your back if you want to keep caring for your mom?

Ok.  Who would love to watch and care for their suffering mother?  Hey!  Don't everbody pipe up here at once!!  Get in line!!
The way you do....day in day out....the way you try so hard and worry so much.... Who in their right mind would enjoy that?  Is it not logical, again, that just about anyone (save a sadist) would hate having to do it?  Can you forgive yourself....for being normal Hops?  (and not the slightest sadistic to boot? 8))

Last, if anyone can help.....wouldn't that be the docs and nurses who have the knowledge, the meds, the equipment, the experience, the man power, the objectivity, the training, the support (of eachother), the energy, backs that aren't spasming, etc?  What do you expect of yourself.....to be all of that and then some?  Can you forgive yourself for having some wonderful gifts that have helped you along this far but for not having all it takes to really help right now?   And really.....calling 911 did help because she is now much more comfortable and being taken care of eh?  She is safe and you made that happen Hops.

And while your at it......will you forgive yourself for having this break and use it to refuel and re-energize as best you can?  Won't that make you a better care-giver, in the end, and be the best help to all?

((((((((Hops)))))))))

If none of this works.....think about what you would say to your D if she were in your shoes and you in your mom's?  What would you expect of her, if you had your normal faculties and all?  Would you lay the guilt on her?  I bet not.  Betcha not!  :)

If one definition of guilt is: 
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a negative, paralysing emotion, based on non-acceptance of oneself or the situation, and it leads to depression and frustration rather than change or improvement.

How is guilt helping you or your mom?

How responsible are you?  Do you have power to make this situation positive?  Will you let go of the paralysing emotion of guilt, for now?  Will you accept that you have done, are doing and will continue to do your best, in this situation?  How about thinking the best thoughts you can muster and decide on a plan that works for you?

If none of that works....what about your intentions?  You know what they are in this situation.....are they really so awful and are you actually capable of doing so much more?  Would you expect more of others?
Better intentions?

Hey!  I've had to drill myself this way and it helped.  I made sense to myself and felt better! Ha!!  I make sense to me!!  :D :D  Maybe the only one but hey!  Who's counting?

Take care of you tonight Hops and try to get a good rest.  Your mom will be fine.   They will take care of her and you can sleep soundly knowing that.  You've done the best anyone could do.  Please accept that and forgive yourself for being human and not having a magic wand.  Tonight, I'd certainly give you mine, if I had one.   But neither of us does eh?  So the best we can do is think the best way to solve what can be solved and let go of what we simply cannot fix/change/do better at.  You're a good, loving daughter Hops.  Who could dream of more than that?

Sela

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Re: ER overload
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2007, 02:02:31 AM »
(((((((((((((((Hops))))))))))))))

Let's see... you feel guilty for taking care of your mom???? There is nothing else you can do right now, and, honestly, you might be in the way. It will be better if you let them take care of her and stabilize her and then you can go be with her and sit with her.
You did what you needed to do and the right thing to do. Relax for a bit now until you are needed again. They will let you know when it's a good time to go over.
((((((((((((((((((((((hops))))))))))))))))))

Love, Beth
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Re: ER overload
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2007, 02:12:14 AM »
Dear Hops,

What a rough night you are having. You sound so tired. I am glad you are taking care of yourself. This seems like the right thing to do considering that your mom is in the hospital where she is bieng taken care. of.

Guilt be gone. You have been heroic in your efforts to take care of your mom.

Lots of love to you,

Sea storm

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Re: ER overload
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2007, 03:14:54 AM »
Izzy, TT, Beth, and Sea...thank you so much.
Boy, that felt like a great group hug!
(I figured it out. Y'all are sitting in the waiting room with her. Me, I got a nap.)

Sela,
Thank you thank you.
Those questions, those RATIONAL questions...really did help.
Incredibly helpful.

I will keep these, Sela, and I will read through again any time I forget that what is reasonable is good enough. Thank you again.

It's like a friend thinking for you when you can't quite think straighth for yourself.

love,
Hops
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Re: ER overload
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2007, 06:01:34 AM »
Dear Hop, how old is your mother? What kind of relationship did you have with her? Do you think she would have liked that you stay there with her? Would she had stayed with you if it was the opposite? If she has done it so many times, she might know the personnel in the hispital, she might be familiar with the place. Do you think that we feel guilty because our parents did something for us to feel guilty? Probably our parents wanted us to feel guilty. If our parents helped us build healthy self esteem we would not feel guilty. What you are suffering happens to me all the time for almost about everything. So, we could analize it and see how much we are really guilty because of our actions or lack of actions and we should improve our attitutde, and how much it is because the way we were taught, and get a better attitude.
In the other side, what I would do, if the guilt is killing me I would get up and go see her as much as i could. if you really think that she is going to be OK there is no reason to feel bad at all. There is no way you can do the work of the nurses. You can see her twice a day to comfort her. I promise you one thing. I will tell my son that when I die he has to know that he was a good son, that he was a good person tome and he not to feel bad for anything because I am taking to haven a wonderful opression of having him. I really hope that I do not make my son feel guilty. My love goes to you. My prayers go to you. Hope to hear from you this afternoon when I come from work. God bless you. You are a wonderful human being.
Lupita

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Re: ER overload
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2007, 07:42:12 AM »
Hops, my heart is with you.  I am sorry for your experience last night.  I am so proud of you for being able to let go and get some sleep.  You chose to take care of yourself instead of be a martyr.  It was truly a healthy choice in a emotional time - always a sign of healing.  My heart aches at the description of you standing in the yard with fingers in your ears and yet you did the most reasonable thing.  Very smart to get the nurse neighbor's opinion. 

Each and every time the physical sensation of guilt comes over you I am patting your back and reminding you - "That is old stuff Hops.  You made an excellent choice at an emotional time."  Each time I do that the old guild message subsides and is replaced by the comfort of "Well done you good and faithful servant."

And when the guilt feeling flushes over you again I repeat the process and begin patting your back and reminding you - "That is old stuff Hops. You made an excellent choice at an emotional time."  and on again until the comfort of "Well done you good and faithful servant" sticks.  And then we wait for the next old message to pop up and we will replace it as well. - your friend who truly cares - Gaining Strength
« Last Edit: March 05, 2007, 03:34:01 PM by Gaining Strength »

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« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2007, 11:48:02 AM »
I am going through the same thing.  My mom had surgery in December, and has been in a major depression ever since.  She has unrealistic expectations of what I can do for her.  What I learned from this whole situation is: this is a very old pattern in my life, (I am 54, she is 77)  it has been going on since I was born, i somehow saw that this time as a mature adult and was able to break the chains that bound me to her.  She keeps trying to pull me back, but I am not that person anymore.. I do waht I can, I loveher, and help in the ways I find are resonable.  I recognized that I am not her doctor, nurse, therapist, friend, etc... I let those peope do theri jobs.  I am her child.. but now that I feel and reexpereinced the damage incurred from her demands I can step back, and let others take over.. It has been a painful and soul wrenching 2 months... it is awful to see your parent suffer... and feel like I am supposed to fix her.  that is a old role for me,which I don't  fill anymore... It doesn't fit,
good luck it sounds like it has been horrible...

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Re: ER overload
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2007, 12:29:34 PM »
Hops,


Still thinking of you and your mom.  Hope all is going well and you rested.
((((Hops)))))  Wish I had that same coffee pot you liked so much in your basement.  I'd make you a cup of coffee.  Going to get one for myself now.

Love
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Re: ER overload
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2007, 12:47:31 PM »
Hi Lupita,
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Dear Hop, how old is your mother?
96
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What kind of relationship did you have with her?
Peaceful now, but oh so tormented until about 6 years ago when I found out what narcissism meant.
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Do you think she would have liked that you stay there with her?
Yes.
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Would she had stayed with you if it was the opposite?
Not sure...she has a practical streak and would likely have gone home and spent the evening on the phone to her friends.
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If she has done it so many times, she might know the personnel in the hispital, she might be familiar with the place.
Must be, because when the doc woke her this a.m. and asked if she knew where she was, she was confused. Hospital? I'm in my bed!

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Do you think that we feel guilty because our parents did something for us to feel guilty?

I think Mom's upbringing was all about guilt, sacrifice, and enormous repression. (What a good pupil I was.)

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Probably our parents wanted us to feel guilty. If our parents helped us build healthy self esteem we would not feel guilty.

You're right, but I swear, their own upbringing really did confuse guilt with piety and unreasonable sacrifice with devotion, or maybe not, I dunno, but nobody was attacking toxic guilt until this generation, I think. So I don't so much think they consciously wanted me to feel guilt, as guilt was just the emtional language they (really she, more than dad) knew. I don't think it was a conscious plot to induce guilt.

The good news is after reading all your incredible support and wisdom and sense, I feel a heck of a lot LESS guilty, and I'm climbing out of that fast this time. The moment in the yard was tough, and today, she doesn't even remember her own screaming.

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What you are suffering happens to me all the time for almost about everything.
Aw, Lupita. I'm so sorry. But it's heartening that you're NAMING it. That's like the little rivulet beginning to trickle out of the ground that eventually carves a river you ride to freedom.

love,
Hops
« Last Edit: March 05, 2007, 12:51:32 PM by Hopalong »
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Re: ER overload
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2007, 12:49:39 PM »
GS,
You went straight to my heart.
I've been saying to myself this morning,
that's old stuff, self, and what's more, GS isn't going to let you forget it!

Bless you for such a caring and loving and perceptive response.
Thank you, GS.

(((((GS)))))))))

Hops
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