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« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2004, 06:51:24 PM »
Sally and Everyone else
You are strong even though you don't always feel strong.
Honesty takes immense strength.  Sharing your story takes hope, hope that it will help you and/or someone else.  
Sometimes suffering is so great that there is no justifyible purpose...  This is the problem of theodicy that has perplexed theologians for centuries.  I liked, Herold Kushner's "When Bad Things Happen to Good People."
There is no reason; there is no justice; there is love and healing and community.
Also I think once one has been through one depression the terror of it is huge when it begings to creep in again.  I really empathize with the willingness to endure more abuse just to fight off the complete loss.  You are not alone.  You have given this young woman deeper insight and wisdom, and for that I am ever so greatful.
We will all try to take care of ourselves together.

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« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2004, 08:11:44 PM »
I realize there are parts of me that would willingly suffer more of the abuse just to keep from feeling this pain and sense of complete loss. It's as if the adult in me loses all strength to help the child that is clinging to his feet as he walks out of my life.


have you been single before? Maybe if for many years you have had the stability and security of a marriage, even an abusive one, it is hard to give that up; I know it was for me.
Part of me until very recently felt paralysed- by fears, practicalities, loneliness.

I called a therapist a few months ago and questionned her about narcissism and her calm clear responses told me she was the therapist for me; I haven't looked back much since.
Some days are hard, but I can honestly say things get better all the time, and I have found a strength and self-knowledge and assertiveness within me I never knew I could have.

What a lovely person you are too, helping the struggling lady. You have so much to offer, love, understanding, compassion. Do you have people in your life, friends or family or colleagues who recognise and affirm that?
That's another big step to self-healing, clearing life of toxic people and finding genuine healthy people to be around and to connect with.

It's taken me about three years to get from recognising narcissism to ending the marriage and being almost whole.

write

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« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2004, 08:35:08 PM »
opps that was me, write

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« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2004, 01:40:05 AM »
Hi Sally,

I tend to shy away from posts about spousal problems because I’ve never been married (never been able to let people get close enough to me, though I’m working on it), so I don’t feel like I have anything to contribute.  But I just want to say that I know in my heart from the sound of the voice in your posts, that your life has not been wasted.  You are a warm and kind person, and that’s so much in this world.  I know it must be tough dealing with your grief and fears right now, but try to know through all this that you are a beautiful person.  This passage makes this obvious to me:

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The poor young mother was holding the little girl, struggling with her and trying to hold on to packages. I asked if she would like some help, and she said yes with great relief.

The young mother was the child's sister, not her mother. The little girl had run away from her in the store and so a gift she had told she could have was taken away which started the drama.

After quite a struggle we got the little girl into the car seat, with me trying to offer some sense of calmness to the whole situation. The older sister had done such a good job of trying to handle the child and she was so stressed and distraught you could see she about to start crying herself. I offered a hug to the sister which she gladly accepted. The little girl now secured in her car seat looked as if after a couple of more breaths she was going to fall fast asleep from the whole experience.


Stay wonderful and strong,
Wildflower
If you want to sing out, sing out
And if you want to be free, be free
'Cause there's a million ways to be, you know that there are
-- Cat Stevens, from the movie Harold and Maude

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« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2004, 01:51:48 AM »
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And since today I really 'got it' about the shame issue, I feel that everything is opening up in front of me for miles ahead.


Wahooooooo, Rosencrantz!  :D  :D  :D  

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If you want to sing out, sing out
And if you want to be free, be free
'Cause there's a million ways to be, you know that there are
-- Cat Stevens, from the movie Harold and Maude

rosencrantz

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« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2004, 06:43:41 AM »
LOL - Thanks for the smile
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« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2004, 10:26:03 PM »
Oh if I could write a book on "making nice" N people will do anything to make you believe their story or that "this time" will be different. They go out of their way to get you hooked and when you are living in "their" fantasy world and they know they got you again, they start the whole pattern over again, it's like they are obssive compulsive. They really start all over again because they are sick much like people with obssive compulsive behavoir it is just more subtle and long term. I had a relationship with a Major N for 8 years and the pattern never changed. What you have seen him do in the past he will do again and again until you either give up and live in his world or get out. There is little hope that he would have changed so drastically over night as he would have you believe. I wish I had better news but thats what my experience was and after so long I feel like I am just coming out of a very think fog with little balance, but each day I am away from him I see more clearly, baby steps. I wish you luck! Have a great weekend.
kelly